College Recruiting - Girls 22s and 23?

[Anonymous]

"23s have a year until they can take officials, get offers, openly communicate...."

For D1 and D2s, communication opened June 15th for rising juniors (i.e., class of 2023), and official visits, unofficial visits, and off campus contact outside of camps for same class started August 1. Verbal offers started 6/15 as well.

See NCAA recruiting guide from their website: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/compliance/recruiting/calendar/2021-22/2021-22D1REC_OtherSports_RecruitingGuide.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone willing to share insights about how things are going for 22 and 23 girls, especially after summer ID camps? It looks like recruiting is waning for D1-focused 22s and picking up for 23s, but you know how people are cagey about this stuff until there’s actually a verbal commitment. Hoping that anonymity is helpful in getting some useful info here.

Depends what level of of play within D1 you are looking at. On the girls side, most of your power 5 schools have been done with 2022s. Your top power 5 schools like UNC, UVA, FSU, etc. are basically done with their 2023 class too. Committments from 2023s have picked up recently, so expect a wave of committments over the next couple months. As is the case every year, the tier that includes CAA and A10 schools will see a wave of comittments after spots on power 5 rosters start evaporating. There number of players transferrring is at an all time high, so not sure how big an impact this is having on recruiting.

Very informative

This is not informative because it’s false. Its inaccurate at best. Talk to your club about recruiting. Not anonymous nova soccer parents on DCUM.

our club doesn't care about getting our girls recruited

[Anonymous]

I’ve had two kids play at D1 schools. It is great but all should remember to find a good environment at club and enjoy the youth soccer years. Do not wish your child’s youth soccer experience away chasing the college soccer dream. D1 college soccer is truly a job for those that make it and it goes by fast. Players will quickly be looking in the rear view mirror of life thinking about the good old days in travel and HS soccer

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Anonymous wrote:If you are attending ID camps you are not being recruited you are marketing yourself.

Huge difference between being recruited and having to market yourself.

Yes, everyone gets the we are interested in you mass emails saying they want you to attend their ID camp. How do you think schools pay for their fancy jackets and winter gear that is not in the athletic departments budget?

You are certainly able to market yourself by attending camps....mainly if you stand out of the rest. But to say you are not being recruited at camps is false.

It's a semantical game that perpetuates the myth you are going to be recruited if you go to camps. Sure, believe you're being recruited if you go to a camp if that makes you feel better. Unless the coaches are communicating with you before and after camp about attending their school, it is likely you are just a body filling their need for money and participants.

Nobody shows up at a camp and is recruited there. It happens before.

[Anonymous]

the parents and girls are sometimes more at fault than the clubs. At my DD’s “destination” club, the 2022s got a raw deal with the shut downs and all, but even allowing for that, a few of the girls were unwilling to accept that they weren’t at the talent level of the schools they were looking at. And a coach saying “keep in touch, let us know where you’re playing” after the communication window open is very very different than being actively recruited. Some parents and girls were way too hopeful about those messages and not realistic enough about whether that school was actually a talent match for the girl’s skill level. So if those parents and girls aren’t willing to listen to truth about level, that’s not the club’s fault. Then again the club has a responsibility to be honest with the girls about level too.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone willing to share insights about how things are going for 22 and 23 girls, especially after summer ID camps? It looks like recruiting is waning for D1-focused 22s and picking up for 23s, but you know how people are cagey about this stuff until there’s actually a verbal commitment. Hoping that anonymity is helpful in getting some useful info here.

Depends what level of of play within D1 you are looking at. On the girls side, most of your power 5 schools have been done with 2022s. Your top power 5 schools like UNC, UVA, FSU, etc. are basically done with their 2023 class too. Committments from 2023s have picked up recently, so expect a wave of committments over the next couple months. As is the case every year, the tier that includes CAA and A10 schools will see a wave of comittments after spots on power 5 rosters start evaporating. There number of players transferrring is at an all time high, so not sure how big an impact this is having on recruiting.

Very informative

This is not accurate at all. Power 5 (although a less relevant category for soccer) schools are not basically done with 23s. On the girls side, most top soccer programs are wrapping up 22s and the academic/ivy schools are just now solidifying their commitments. For the boys the 22s have really just started to get offers and make commitments, but that process will continue through the fall. For the girls 23s, you’ll see an early wave of commitments for a small set of players now, the bulk will come in late winter/spring after the fall college season and the winter ID camps. For the boys, only the exceptional player that is choosing college over pros will be making any sort of commitment. The 23s should focus on their target schools and have honest discussions with the college coaches about feasibility. The 22s may need to look at programs that they had not originally considered, still lots of options out there…

"Done" as in down to just a handful of players they are looking still looking at to close out the class with. Anson Dorrance said himself that UNC is done with 2023 recruiting, basically decided between 3 or 4 players for the last spot available. Ivy Schools are not Power 5, yes they are still heavily recruiting 2022s. Boys is always a year behind girls in terms of recruiting timeframe. Agree with the last two sentences....that is the current phase for girls of those age groups.

Makes sense since boys develop so much later than girls.

My one son grew a foot between Freshmen year and Senior year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are attending ID camps you are not being recruited you are marketing yourself.

Huge difference between being recruited and having to market yourself.

Yes, everyone gets the we are interested in you mass emails saying they want you to attend their ID camp. How do you think schools pay for their fancy jackets and winter gear that is not in the athletic departments budget?

You are certainly able to market yourself by attending camps....mainly if you stand out of the rest. But to say you are not being recruited at camps is false.

It's a semantical game that perpetuates the myth you are going to be recruited if you go to camps. Sure, believe you're being recruited if you go to a camp if that makes you feel better. Unless the coaches are communicating with you before and after camp about attending their school, it is likely you are just a body filling their need for money and participants.

Nobody shows up at a camp and is recruited there. It happens before.

True. I guess the original post was insinuating that camps are a key component of the recruiting process - but really only if the coaches know who you are before you get there is key!!

[Anonymous]

Even the D3s are pretty much done with 2022 spots. We spoke to several middle-level coaches over the summer based on May/June camps. They were looking to fill a few remaining spots by July/August.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the parents and girls are sometimes more at fault than the clubs. At my DD’s “destination” club, the 2022s got a raw deal with the shut downs and all, but even allowing for that, a few of the girls were unwilling to accept that they weren’t at the talent level of the schools they were looking at. And a coach saying “keep in touch, let us know where you’re playing” after the communication window open is very very different than being actively recruited. Some parents and girls were way too hopeful about those messages and not realistic enough about whether that school was actually a talent match for the girl’s skill level. So if those parents and girls aren’t willing to listen to truth about level, that’s not the club’s fault. Then again the club has a responsibility to be honest with the girls about level too.

That’s why the player needs to reaching out to about 30 schools of all different levels.

[Anonymous]

The myth that is out there is that club staff are an active part of the recruiting process. The reality is that in most cases, it has to be the player that drives the process. There are only a few clubs/coaches that actively promote their players. These days, it is much easier for college coaches to communicate directly with players and video has become more powerful than just relying on a club coach's potentially questionable recommendation.
Another myth is the "destination" club. Years ago in NoVA we had two "destination clubs", and the concentration of talent there resulted in alot of DI commits. That recruiting success had alot more to do with the girls than it had to do with the club support on the players behalf. Nevertheless, these clubs built up mostly unearned reputations of being well connected. That model is rapidly disappearing in NoVA at least, due to the density of clubs. There are simply too many choices for any one club to remain dominant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The myth that is out there is that club staff are an active part of the recruiting process. The reality is that in most cases, it has to be the player that drives the process. There are only a few clubs/coaches that actively promote their players. These days, it is much easier for college coaches to communicate directly with players and video has become more powerful than just relying on a club coach's potentially questionable recommendation.
Another myth is the "destination" club. Years ago in NoVA we had two "destination clubs", and the concentration of talent there resulted in alot of DI commits. That recruiting success had alot more to do with the girls than it had to do with the club support on the players behalf. Nevertheless, these clubs built up mostly unearned reputations of being well connected. That model is rapidly disappearing in NoVA at least, due to the density of clubs. There are simply too many choices for any one club to remain dominant.

Boom

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone willing to share insights about how things are going for 22 and 23 girls, especially after summer ID camps? It looks like recruiting is waning for D1-focused 22s and picking up for 23s, but you know how people are cagey about this stuff until there’s actually a verbal commitment. Hoping that anonymity is helpful in getting some useful info here.

Depends what level of of play within D1 you are looking at. On the girls side, most of your power 5 schools have been done with 2022s. Your top power 5 schools like UNC, UVA, FSU, etc. are basically done with their 2023 class too. Committments from 2023s have picked up recently, so expect a wave of committments over the next couple months. As is the case every year, the tier that includes CAA and A10 schools will see a wave of comittments after spots on power 5 rosters start evaporating. There number of players transferrring is at an all time high, so not sure how big an impact this is having on recruiting.

Very informative

This is not accurate at all. Power 5 (although a less relevant category for soccer) schools are not basically done with 23s. On the girls side, most top soccer programs are wrapping up 22s and the academic/ivy schools are just now solidifying their commitments. For the boys the 22s have really just started to get offers and make commitments, but that process will continue through the fall. For the girls 23s, you’ll see an early wave of commitments for a small set of players now, the bulk will come in late winter/spring after the fall college season and the winter ID camps. For the boys, only the exceptional player that is choosing college over pros will be making any sort of commitment. The 23s should focus on their target schools and have honest discussions with the college coaches about feasibility. The 22s may need to look at programs that they had not originally considered, still lots of options out there…

I know nothing about the current class recruiting landscape but wanted to note that Power 5 is relevant for every sport since they offer 4 year scholarships that cannot be yanked or decreased for reasons related to athletic performance. That’s a huge benefit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone willing to share insights about how things are going for 22 and 23 girls, especially after summer ID camps? It looks like recruiting is waning for D1-focused 22s and picking up for 23s, but you know how people are cagey about this stuff until there’s actually a verbal commitment. Hoping that anonymity is helpful in getting some useful info here.

Depends what level of of play within D1 you are looking at. On the girls side, most of your power 5 schools have been done with 2022s. Your top power 5 schools like UNC, UVA, FSU, etc. are basically done with their 2023 class too. Committments from 2023s have picked up recently, so expect a wave of committments over the next couple months. As is the case every year, the tier that includes CAA and A10 schools will see a wave of comittments after spots on power 5 rosters start evaporating. There number of players transferrring is at an all time high, so not sure how big an impact this is having on recruiting.

Very informative

This is not accurate at all. Power 5 (although a less relevant category for soccer) schools are not basically done with 23s. On the girls side, most top soccer programs are wrapping up 22s and the academic/ivy schools are just now solidifying their commitments. For the boys the 22s have really just started to get offers and make commitments, but that process will continue through the fall. For the girls 23s, you’ll see an early wave of commitments for a small set of players now, the bulk will come in late winter/spring after the fall college season and the winter ID camps. For the boys, only the exceptional player that is choosing college over pros will be making any sort of commitment. The 23s should focus on their target schools and have honest discussions with the college coaches about feasibility. The 22s may need to look at programs that they had not originally considered, still lots of options out there…

I know nothing about the current class recruiting landscape but wanted to note that Power 5 is relevant for every sport since they offer 4 year scholarships that cannot be yanked or decreased for reasons related to athletic performance. That’s a huge benefit.

That’s mostly marketing. In practice, there are plenty of ways coaches can and do take away a scholarships. That one beer an underage athlete drinks is sufficient.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone willing to share insights about how things are going for 22 and 23 girls, especially after summer ID camps? It looks like recruiting is waning for D1-focused 22s and picking up for 23s, but you know how people are cagey about this stuff until there’s actually a verbal commitment. Hoping that anonymity is helpful in getting some useful info here.

Depends what level of of play within D1 you are looking at. On the girls side, most of your power 5 schools have been done with 2022s. Your top power 5 schools like UNC, UVA, FSU, etc. are basically done with their 2023 class too. Committments from 2023s have picked up recently, so expect a wave of committments over the next couple months. As is the case every year, the tier that includes CAA and A10 schools will see a wave of comittments after spots on power 5 rosters start evaporating. There number of players transferrring is at an all time high, so not sure how big an impact this is having on recruiting.

Very informative

This is not accurate at all. Power 5 (although a less relevant category for soccer) schools are not basically done with 23s. On the girls side, most top soccer programs are wrapping up 22s and the academic/ivy schools are just now solidifying their commitments. For the boys the 22s have really just started to get offers and make commitments, but that process will continue through the fall. For the girls 23s, you’ll see an early wave of commitments for a small set of players now, the bulk will come in late winter/spring after the fall college season and the winter ID camps. For the boys, only the exceptional player that is choosing college over pros will be making any sort of commitment. The 23s should focus on their target schools and have honest discussions with the college coaches about feasibility. The 22s may need to look at programs that they had not originally considered, still lots of options out there…

I know nothing about the current class recruiting landscape but wanted to note that Power 5 is relevant for every sport since they offer 4 year scholarships that cannot be yanked or decreased for reasons related to athletic performance. That’s a huge benefit.

That’s mostly marketing. In practice, there are plenty of ways coaches can and do take away a scholarships. That one beer an underage athlete drinks is sufficient.

Not true at all in my experience with kids and kids of friends playing soccer at several different P5 schools. Though it’s true that some coaches will treat underperforming kids poorly by not playing them at all or belittling them in the hope they quit.

[Anonymous]

Show me the money. I don’t care about the who, what, when or where. For me, a parent of several children, college is seen as a family sacrifice. I have an athlete with several offers. And let me tell you, once you crunch the numbers, not all offers are the same.

For example, a 60 percent scholarship at an in-state may make the cost to obtain a degree 48,000. The same percent scholarship for an out of state makes the cost to obtain a degree 87,000.

If you take out a loan and pay it off in 4 years before interest kicks in, you will pay 800 dollars a Month more for the out of state school…..for the next four years. To me, the decision is easy. Save 800 a month for the other kids.

And for those of you who are not aware, starting in 2023, you will no longer get a financial break for having multiple kids in college at the same time.

Many of you posting haven’t crunched the numbers. You should do it. A sense of reality will set in. It will narrow down choices expeditiously.

For those with deep pockets, go ahead and chase that Power 5 dream. Be prepared to walk on or take a 25 percent.

Remember, some very good players take the money over the prestige of the program. Very very few players can pull off the big scholarships at big schools.

And yes, need based money and academic scholarships are there. Lots of thing to consider. But remember, people in the DMV have high salaries because of cost of living….and the calculations don’t take into account where you live. We all know that 100,000 in DC is not the same as 100,000 in Utah….but they don’t care. The vast majority of you will not be getting need based money.

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