Bowser just announced that starting Saturday indoor mask mandate for everyone 2+

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. Vaccinated people don’t need to mask. End of discussion.

Yes, but they can still catch it because the Detla produces 1,000x as much virus, be asymptomatic, and give it to anti-vax folks! We have to think of the anti-vaxers and live our lives with special protections for them! Also, COVID is here to stay. It's not going to be eliminated from the planet. At some point we have to live our lives like normal. We can't act like this is a plague when 99.7% of deaths are the unvaccinated.

My 10 year old is not anti-vax.

Your 10 year old isn't going to die of COVID. Your 10 year old has a higher chance of drowning. I wish they would approve them for under 12 already. I have a 10 year old too and I'm not worried about death from COVID but I would like a vaccine for him so he wouldn't even get a minor cold (also to shut up all the screaming over-protective parents).

You know there are other side effects besides death. Talk to doctors - they don't want their kids to get Covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. Vaccinated people don’t need to mask. End of discussion.

Yes, but they can still catch it because the Detla produces 1,000x as much virus, be asymptomatic, and give it to anti-vax folks! We have to think of the anti-vaxers and live our lives with special protections for them! Also, COVID is here to stay. It's not going to be eliminated from the planet. At some point we have to live our lives like normal. We can't act like this is a plague when 99.7% of deaths are the unvaccinated.

My 10 year old is not anti-vax.

NP. YOUR TEN YEAR OLD IS NOT AT RISK FROM COVID. What data are you people looking at that makes you think covid is any kind of threat to kids? I don’t mean panicky anecdotes or viral Twitter threads or unfounded speculation about “long covid”. I mean reliable data on American kids that shows this virus is uniquely dangerous to them and worth disrupting their lives for, in a way that isn’t true of RSV, the flu, the common cold, bronchitis, norovirus, and all the other viral diseases kids get that never caused us to fully shut down schools for 2 years.

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What is the end game now? Originally, it was to mask and social distance until the vaccines were widely available. Now there seems to be no end in sight. I don’t think “zero covid” is achievable at this point (if it ever was). Hospitals aren’t being overrun. Deaths aren’t high. So what’s the goal here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. Vaccinated people don’t need to mask. End of discussion.

Yes, but they can still catch it because the Detla produces 1,000x as much virus, be asymptomatic, and give it to anti-vax folks! We have to think of the anti-vaxers and live our lives with special protections for them! Also, COVID is here to stay. It's not going to be eliminated from the planet. At some point we have to live our lives like normal. We can't act like this is a plague when 99.7% of deaths are the unvaccinated.

uh, or they can go put on their big boy grown up pants and go get their vaccine like the rest of us. I'll be f'ed if I start masking to protect anyone who is eligible and able to get the vaccine (so no need to rush in and deliver a lecture about your toddler) but just doesn't.

I was joking/sarcastic with that post obviously. This is what's going to happen though. COVID isn't going away. Ever. We will always have people that refused to get vaccinated. Large numbers of people are refusing the vaccine for no good reason and as such we will continue to have huge outbreaks among the unvaccinated. We are literally masking for the anti-vaxers who, by the way, are also anti-maskers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. Vaccinated people don’t need to mask. End of discussion.

Yes, but they can still catch it because the Detla produces 1,000x as much virus, be asymptomatic, and give it to anti-vax folks! We have to think of the anti-vaxers and live our lives with special protections for them! Also, COVID is here to stay. It's not going to be eliminated from the planet. At some point we have to live our lives like normal. We can't act like this is a plague when 99.7% of deaths are the unvaccinated.

My 10 year old is not anti-vax.

Your 10 year old isn't going to die of COVID. Your 10 year old has a higher chance of drowning. I wish they would approve them for under 12 already. I have a 10 year old too and I'm not worried about death from COVID but I would like a vaccine for him so he wouldn't even get a minor cold (also to shut up all the screaming over-protective parents).

You know there are other side effects besides death. Talk to doctors - they don't want their kids to get Covid.

Yes, the highly anxious and controlling among us are trying to move the goalposts to “long covid” as the scary bogeyman now that people are cottoning on that the initial infection doesn’t actually hurt kids. Unfortunately for you the evidence that “long covid” in kids is any kind of real threat is paper thin and doesn’t hold up under any real kind of scrutiny, so you better start thinking about what to move on to next.

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So, masks forever then, right? What's the end game? Zero COVID. Not gonna happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. Vaccinated people don’t need to mask. End of discussion.

Yes, but they can still catch it because the Detla produces 1,000x as much virus, be asymptomatic, and give it to anti-vax folks! We have to think of the anti-vaxers and live our lives with special protections for them! Also, COVID is here to stay. It's not going to be eliminated from the planet. At some point we have to live our lives like normal. We can't act like this is a plague when 99.7% of deaths are the unvaccinated.

My 10 year old is not anti-vax.

NP. YOUR TEN YEAR OLD IS NOT AT RISK FROM COVID. What data are you people looking at that makes you think covid is any kind of threat to kids? I don’t mean panicky anecdotes or viral Twitter threads or unfounded speculation about “long covid”. I mean reliable data on American kids that shows this virus is uniquely dangerous to them and worth disrupting their lives for, in a way that isn’t true of RSV, the flu, the common cold, bronchitis, norovirus, and all the other viral diseases kids get that never caused us to fully shut down schools for 2 years.

"reliable data on American kids"
What the hell is wrong with you that you think the data has to be on American kids?

Long-covid isn't "long-covid" and unknowns about long-covid are not "unfounded speculations about long-covid."

I'm curious to hear what 'viral Twitter threads' you are so contemptuous about. The kid covid tweets reported on this forum just repeated the latest public health numbers, along with statements of "up this many %" "increased this many-fold"

Your unrelenting all-caps echo dismissing out of hand reasonable concerns is unreasonable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. Vaccinated people don’t need to mask. End of discussion.

Yes, but they can still catch it because the Detla produces 1,000x as much virus, be asymptomatic, and give it to anti-vax folks! We have to think of the anti-vaxers and live our lives with special protections for them! Also, COVID is here to stay. It's not going to be eliminated from the planet. At some point we have to live our lives like normal. We can't act like this is a plague when 99.7% of deaths are the unvaccinated.

My 10 year old is not anti-vax.

NP. YOUR TEN YEAR OLD IS NOT AT RISK FROM COVID. What data are you people looking at that makes you think covid is any kind of threat to kids? I don’t mean panicky anecdotes or viral Twitter threads or unfounded speculation about “long covid”. I mean reliable data on American kids that shows this virus is uniquely dangerous to them and worth disrupting their lives for, in a way that isn’t true of RSV, the flu, the common cold, bronchitis, norovirus, and all the other viral diseases kids get that never caused us to fully shut down schools for 2 years.

"reliable data on American kids"
What the hell is wrong with you that you think the data has to be on American kids?

Long-covid isn't "long-covid" and unknowns about long-covid are not "unfounded speculations about long-covid."

I'm curious to hear what 'viral Twitter threads' you are so contemptuous about. The kid covid tweets reported on this forum just repeated the latest public health numbers, along with statements of "up this many %" "increased this many-fold"

Your unrelenting all-caps echo dismissing out of hand reasonable concerns is unreasonable.

If you’re really that concerned about “long covid,” keep your kid home. Masks aren’t going to protect him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. Vaccinated people don’t need to mask. End of discussion.

Yes, but they can still catch it because the Detla produces 1,000x as much virus, be asymptomatic, and give it to anti-vax folks! We have to think of the anti-vaxers and live our lives with special protections for them! Also, COVID is here to stay. It's not going to be eliminated from the planet. At some point we have to live our lives like normal. We can't act like this is a plague when 99.7% of deaths are the unvaccinated.

My 10 year old is not anti-vax.

NP. YOUR TEN YEAR OLD IS NOT AT RISK FROM COVID. What data are you people looking at that makes you think covid is any kind of threat to kids? I don’t mean panicky anecdotes or viral Twitter threads or unfounded speculation about “long covid”. I mean reliable data on American kids that shows this virus is uniquely dangerous to them and worth disrupting their lives for, in a way that isn’t true of RSV, the flu, the common cold, bronchitis, norovirus, and all the other viral diseases kids get that never caused us to fully shut down schools for 2 years.

"reliable data on American kids"
What the hell is wrong with you that you think the data has to be on American kids?

Long-covid isn't "long-covid" and unknowns about long-covid are not "unfounded speculations about long-covid."

I'm curious to hear what 'viral Twitter threads' you are so contemptuous about. The kid covid tweets reported on this forum just repeated the latest public health numbers, along with statements of "up this many %" "increased this many-fold"

Your unrelenting all-caps echo dismissing out of hand reasonable concerns is unreasonable.

If you’re really that concerned about “long covid,” keep your kid home. Masks aren’t going to protect him.

Home? You're not sending me to my basement? Gee thanks!
Anyways. Yay Bowser.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the end game now? Originally, it was to mask and social distance until the vaccines were widely available. Now there seems to be no end in sight. I don’t think “zero covid” is achievable at this point (if it ever was). Hospitals aren’t being overrun. Deaths aren’t high. So what’s the goal here?

This really is the rub, isn't it? We have safe and effective vaccines that over 100,000,000 Americans can get by just walking into a pharmacy with no wait and no appointment yet they refuse to get them. Now Delta is causing severe disease, mostly in the unvaccinated and we have to mask up again. This is, quite literally, never going away. With new variants coming out from time-to-time and anti-vaxers refusing not only the vaccine but no doubt any future boosters against the variants, we will continue to see flare-ups in the country and community. Why should we mask for people that refuse the vaccine? I don't want to mask for them. If we are to mask for them, at least make it based on hospital utilization and not just because the numbers are getting bigger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. Vaccinated people don’t need to mask. End of discussion.

Oh, well. If you say “end of discussion” it must be true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the end game now? Originally, it was to mask and social distance until the vaccines were widely available. Now there seems to be no end in sight. I don’t think “zero covid” is achievable at this point (if it ever was). Hospitals aren’t being overrun. Deaths aren’t high. So what’s the goal here?

This really is the rub, isn't it? We have safe and effective vaccines that over 100,000,000 Americans can get by just walking into a pharmacy with no wait and no appointment yet they refuse to get them. Now Delta is causing severe disease, mostly in the unvaccinated and we have to mask up again. This is, quite literally, never going away. With new variants coming out from time-to-time and anti-vaxers refusing not only the vaccine but no doubt any future boosters against the variants, we will continue to see flare-ups in the country and community. Why should we mask for people that refuse the vaccine? I don't want to mask for them. If we are to mask for them, at least make it based on hospital utilization and not just because the numbers are getting bigger.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the end game now? Originally, it was to mask and social distance until the vaccines were widely available. Now there seems to be no end in sight. I don’t think “zero covid” is achievable at this point (if it ever was). Hospitals aren’t being overrun. Deaths aren’t high. So what’s the goal here?

This really is the rub, isn't it? We have safe and effective vaccines that over 100,000,000 Americans can get by just walking into a pharmacy with no wait and no appointment yet they refuse to get them. Now Delta is causing severe disease, mostly in the unvaccinated and we have to mask up again. This is, quite literally, never going away. With new variants coming out from time-to-time and anti-vaxers refusing not only the vaccine but no doubt any future boosters against the variants, we will continue to see flare-ups in the country and community. Why should we mask for people that refuse the vaccine? I don't want to mask for them. If we are to mask for them, at least make it based on hospital utilization and not just because the numbers are getting bigger.

I'm not masking for them. I'm masking for people who got vaccinated but don't have robust immunity because they are very elderly, or immunocompromised. I'm masking for kids who can't get vaccinated yet, including my own. And frankly, I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Masking indoors is a fairly minor imposition, all things considered, and if it means that things can be open and school can be in person, I'm completely fine with it. Once kids can be vaccinated, I might feel differently, but right now there is a large group of people who cannot get vaccinated, through no fault of their own. That is going to change, probably by the end of the year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the end game now? Originally, it was to mask and social distance until the vaccines were widely available. Now there seems to be no end in sight. I don’t think “zero covid” is achievable at this point (if it ever was). Hospitals aren’t being overrun. Deaths aren’t high. So what’s the goal here?

This really is the rub, isn't it? We have safe and effective vaccines that over 100,000,000 Americans can get by just walking into a pharmacy with no wait and no appointment yet they refuse to get them. Now Delta is causing severe disease, mostly in the unvaccinated and we have to mask up again. This is, quite literally, never going away. With new variants coming out from time-to-time and anti-vaxers refusing not only the vaccine but no doubt any future boosters against the variants, we will continue to see flare-ups in the country and community. Why should we mask for people that refuse the vaccine? I don't want to mask for them. If we are to mask for them, at least make it based on hospital utilization and not just because the numbers are getting bigger.

Well large swaths of the country aren’t going to mask (despite the cdc)...once again we will see that their death rates are the same as the diligent maskers. Will the diligent maskers wake up then?

[Anonymous]

Masks are here to stay. Fine. But can we at least adjust age upward. Two year olds are basically babies in diapers who sleep in cribs. The WHO says under five should not be masked.