Dem pollsters acknowledge ‘major errors’ in 2020 polling

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well this does seem to fall in the category of "duh".

Dems have underperformed the polls - that is not in dispute. Good they are trying to figure out what the cause of error is.

Seriously. Dems are just now aware there’s an issue in their polling? That makes me laugh. For one, most Republicans don’t bother to participate in polls, whereas Democrats get giddy when asked to participate. It’s really odd.

Democrats need validation from the mob to feel powerful.

True. Which is why they are constantly posting their political views all over social media and lapping up the “likes.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Became convinced of the shy Trump voter in 2020. They aren't claiming to be Biden voters though, they are claiming to be undecided.

And many of them are. Or they simply have no desire to talk politics with someone who’s going to verbally pounce on them.

Sure could be. Just seems that Trump leaning voters disproportionately feel that way. I don't think we really know why. I think the fact that Trump appealed to those who hated the system has to do with it. Polls are part of the system, so why tell them anything?

[Anonymous]

I still feel deep down that R’s have been stealing elections for years.

And now they are suppressing votes by law

[Anonymous]

Undecideds broke heavy for Trump.

Dems did better vs the polls in 2018.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Became convinced of the shy Trump voter in 2020. They aren't claiming to be Biden voters though, they are claiming to be undecided.

And many of them are. Or they simply have no desire to talk politics with someone who’s going to verbally pounce on them.

What? Pollsters... don’t do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"According to Democrats involved with the internal review, Tuesday’s statement marks the beginning of a years-long process to examine why, since 2012, most major elections have tilted against the party, despite favorable polling data before the vote. Up and down the ballot, Democrats have been, more often than not, shell-shocked by defeats in races they thought to be competitive, or narrower-than-expected, victories in contests they thought they led comfortably.
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The memo floats at least three possible causes: late movement toward Trump and Republican candidates that polls conducted in the run-up to the election failed to catch, the Covid pandemic causing people who stayed home to answer the phone at a greater rate than those who did not follow restrictions, and the decline of social trust and faith in institutions.

But there’s little clarity about how significant each of those hypotheses was."

What happen to the independent polls? They were also way off.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/13/dems-polling-failure-481044

People don’t want to admit they’re not gonna vote for Democrats because people who admit they’re not voting for Democrats are called racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Became convinced of the shy Trump voter in 2020. They aren't claiming to be Biden voters though, they are claiming to be undecided.

And many of them are. Or they simply have no desire to talk politics with someone who’s going to verbally pounce on them.

What? Pollsters... don’t do that.

Did you expect MAGA to dwell in reality? They don’t. They live in a bat crap crazy mental world that makes zero sense, one in which Trump is a decent person and you have to lie to pollsters because they’ll come to your house, scold you for not being liberal and drown your dog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still feel deep down that R’s have been stealing elections for years.

And now they are suppressing votes by law

I said so on the first page and I stand by that.

Look at the Q nonsense, the centerpiece charge of which was that there was a cabal of all powerful Democrats who were trading kids around. Turns out there’s a cabal alright, but it’s Republicans. They are all projection. So their continued obsession with alleged election fraud strongly points the finger to them stealing elections across the country. I think 2020 was an absolute blowout win for the Democrats. I think Biden probably won closer to 90 million votes (if not more) and Trump probably closer to 65 million votes (and probably less). I think there is a solid Democratic majority in the Senate and I think we probably won a lot more state elections, too.

Ask yourself: why would the Democratic pollsters all be off? Does that even make sense? Contrary to the childish conservative belief (but I repeat myself) that pollsters want to steer people, they actually want to be as accurate as possible because that’s how pollsters keep a reputation for accuracy and how they stay in business. But if the GOP pollsters are all in on the GOP’s game, they can adjust their polls as necessary.

[Anonymous]

Election fraud came from Putin and the FSB. This was Trumps original deal in 2016. He started screaming rigged elections back then and it was entirely in line with Putin wanting to get back at HRC for denouncing Putin’s rigged election. Trump won surprising everyone including Trump bring on the worst four years in American history.

Trump is not creative. He knew he was likely to lose. He flailed desperately to make something up to tarnish Biden but he still lost. Lying about a stolen election allowed him to grift more money out of his supporters.

Republicans cheat through voter suppression. Texas is a good example. Once the polls were tightening showing that Texas might turn blue, Abbot promptly removed most of the drop boxes in Harris county. Texas would have been a much tighter race or even gone blue without this maneuver.

At the local level Republicans play all sorts of games. In Florida ghost candidates with similar names to Dems popped up on the ballot splitting out the dem vote and allowing the less popular candidate to win. The Rs would even go as far as sending out mailings about the ghost candidates to lower income democratic areas.

Republicans have spent the last decade researching every way to suppress voters because they are only 25% of the population. They only win with low turn out for the Democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"According to Democrats involved with the internal review, Tuesday’s statement marks the beginning of a years-long process to examine why, since 2012, most major elections have tilted against the party, despite favorable polling data before the vote. Up and down the ballot, Democrats have been, more often than not, shell-shocked by defeats in races they thought to be competitive, or narrower-than-expected, victories in contests they thought they led comfortably.
....

The memo floats at least three possible causes: late movement toward Trump and Republican candidates that polls conducted in the run-up to the election failed to catch, the Covid pandemic causing people who stayed home to answer the phone at a greater rate than those who did not follow restrictions, and the decline of social trust and faith in institutions.

But there’s little clarity about how significant each of those hypotheses was."

What happen to the independent polls? They were also way off.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/13/dems-polling-failure-481044

People don’t want to admit they’re not gonna vote for Democrats because people who admit they’re not voting for Democrats are called racist.

Alexa, tell me something else that pollsters don’t do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still feel deep down that R’s have been stealing elections for years.

And now they are suppressing votes by law

Of course you do. Get some rest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Became convinced of the shy Trump voter in 2020. They aren't claiming to be Biden voters though, they are claiming to be undecided.

And many of them are. Or they simply have no desire to talk politics with someone who’s going to verbally pounce on them.

What? Pollsters... don’t do that.

Did you expect MAGA to dwell in reality? They don’t. They live in a bat crap crazy mental world that makes zero sense, one in which Trump is a decent person and you have to lie to pollsters because they’ll come to your house, scold you for not being liberal and drown your dog.

Or, you know... they simply see no reason to disclose to a pollster who they plan on voting for. Why do you have such a hard time with this? Is it because you enjoy blabbing about your preferred candidate to anyone who will listen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still feel deep down that R’s have been stealing elections for years.

And now they are suppressing votes by law

I said so on the first page and I stand by that.

Look at the Q nonsense, the centerpiece charge of which was that there was a cabal of all powerful Democrats who were trading kids around. Turns out there’s a cabal alright, but it’s Republicans. They are all projection. So their continued obsession with alleged election fraud strongly points the finger to them stealing elections across the country. I think 2020 was an absolute blowout win for the Democrats. I think Biden probably won closer to 90 million votes (if not more) and Trump probably closer to 65 million votes (and probably less). I think there is a solid Democratic majority in the Senate and I think we probably won a lot more state elections, too.

Ask yourself: why would the Democratic pollsters all be off? Does that even make sense? Contrary to the childish conservative belief (but I repeat myself) that pollsters want to steer people, they actually want to be as accurate as possible because that’s how pollsters keep a reputation for accuracy and how they stay in business. But if the GOP pollsters are all in on the GOP’s game, they can adjust their polls as necessary.

So this is what the liberal version of Q looks like ^^^. Wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Became convinced of the shy Trump voter in 2020. They aren't claiming to be Biden voters though, they are claiming to be undecided.

And many of them are. Or they simply have no desire to talk politics with someone who’s going to verbally pounce on them.

Or maybe, the GOP was so convinced there was election fraud because they were the ones doing it. Maybe that is why the election was so close. Without GOP voting fraud, it would have been a landslide defeat. I mean we all know that GOP fraud got Kemp elected in GA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still feel deep down that R’s have been stealing elections for years.

And now they are suppressing votes by law

I said so on the first page and I stand by that.

Look at the Q nonsense, the centerpiece charge of which was that there was a cabal of all powerful Democrats who were trading kids around. Turns out there’s a cabal alright, but it’s Republicans. They are all projection. So their continued obsession with alleged election fraud strongly points the finger to them stealing elections across the country. I think 2020 was an absolute blowout win for the Democrats. I think Biden probably won closer to 90 million votes (if not more) and Trump probably closer to 65 million votes (and probably less). I think there is a solid Democratic majority in the Senate and I think we probably won a lot more state elections, too.

Ask yourself: why would the Democratic pollsters all be off? Does that even make sense? Contrary to the childish conservative belief (but I repeat myself) that pollsters want to steer people, they actually want to be as accurate as possible because that’s how pollsters keep a reputation for accuracy and how they stay in business. But if the GOP pollsters are all in on the GOP’s game, they can adjust their polls as necessary.

So this is what the liberal version of Q looks like ^^^. Wow.

Not really.