Why aren't we using this opportunity to abolish all teachers' unions?

[Anonymous]

Unions in MD are pretty useless without the ability to strike. If your district hasn't gone back yet and you live in MD, it isn't due to the unions. I'm going back to school in a few weeks but had they sent me back in September, I would've gone then.

[Anonymous]

Right, you don't agree with them and don't care about safety so you think the way to get around it is to abolish unions. Unions are not driving this. Numbers are. Want numbers to go down so we can safely return.. do your part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Right, you don't agree with them and don't care about safety so you think the way to get around it is to abolish unions. Unions are not driving this. Numbers are. Want numbers to go down so we can safely return.. do your part.

Doing that. When are schools opening?

[Anonymous]

Plenty of states with strong unions (NY, MA, CT) that are open for school. Unions are good for the middle class and states without unions have bad public schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Right, you don't agree with them and don't care about safety so you think the way to get around it is to abolish unions. Unions are not driving this. Numbers are. Want numbers to go down so we can safely return.. do your part.

The CDC has said schools can reopen with precautions. Teachers have been prioritized for the vaccine.

Get ready to go back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unions are good in this country. They protect the workers without wielding too much power. You have NO IDEA how unions operate in some other countries, where one union for one industry can immobilize an entire country in one strike action! Now that's taking an entire population hostage if you like!

In the USA, unions are as mild as milk. It shows your lack of historical knowledge and your lack of respect for the long fight for better working conditions (from which everyone here, YOU INCLUDED, has indirectly or directly benefited!), that you're against them...

Umm, are you unaware of the history of strikes in the USA?

I’m not against unions. I’m against what some unions have become — including teachers’ unions and police unions.

I am saying that strikes in this country were nothing, nothing, compared to what they were and are in other countries. Unions are not very powerful today in the USA. The power is nearly entirely on the other side. So don't go after these folks if you want to change things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unions are good in this country. They protect the workers without wielding too much power. You have NO IDEA how unions operate in some other countries, where one union for one industry can immobilize an entire country in one strike action! Now that's taking an entire population hostage if you like!

In the USA, unions are as mild as milk. It shows your lack of historical knowledge and your lack of respect for the long fight for better working conditions (from which everyone here, YOU INCLUDED, has indirectly or directly benefited!), that you're against them...

Umm, are you unaware of the history of strikes in the USA?

I’m not against unions. I’m against what some unions have become — including teachers’ unions and police unions.

I am saying that strikes in this country were nothing, nothing, compared to what they were and are in other countries. Unions are not very powerful today in the USA. The power is nearly entirely on the other side. So don't go after these folks if you want to change things.

Today, yes. Not throughout history. However, the exception to that are teachers’ unions and police unions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you hate teachers, homeschool your children. Teaching is a difficult and often thankless job, for which we are paid very little. We need unions because of the appalling conditions many of us work in. Go harass the government, whose salary your taxes ALSO fund, and who have grossly neglected their duties to public health and policy during the pandemic. Enough with the constant blaming of teachers for closed schools among rampant viral spread. It's pathetic, and it makes you look petty and small. There were 79,000 COVID deaths so far this month and all you can do is stomp your feet because you want schools to open. You can't just open everything up and pretend that the pandemic is over because parents are tired of their kids.

How “little” are you paid? What’s your. FULL compensation package?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Plenty of states with strong unions (NY, MA, CT) that are open for school. Unions are good for the middle class and states without unions have bad public schools.

+1

The only way you'd look at this and say that the solution is to abolish teachers' unions is if you just hate unions and want to seize the opportunity. You can object to the actions of specific unions without saying that unions in general are the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right, you don't agree with them and don't care about safety so you think the way to get around it is to abolish unions. Unions are not driving this. Numbers are. Want numbers to go down so we can safely return.. do your part.

Doing that. When are schools opening?

You may be or pretending g to but everyone else has to as well. School will open when numbers go down

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you hate teachers, homeschool your children. Teaching is a difficult and often thankless job, for which we are paid very little. We need unions because of the appalling conditions many of us work in. Go harass the government, whose salary your taxes ALSO fund, and who have grossly neglected their duties to public health and policy during the pandemic. Enough with the constant blaming of teachers for closed schools among rampant viral spread. It's pathetic, and it makes you look petty and small. There were 79,000 COVID deaths so far this month and all you can do is stomp your feet because you want schools to open. You can't just open everything up and pretend that the pandemic is over because parents are tired of their kids.

How “little” are you paid? What’s your. FULL compensation package?

Would any public school teacher please respond? What county are you in?

[Anonymous]

No public union should exist. The reasons for a private sector union don’t extend to the public sector.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Plenty of states with strong unions (NY, MA, CT) that are open for school. Unions are good for the middle class and states without unions have bad public schools.

Yes, yes, yes.

As a parent, I very much support strong teacher unions. I’m from an area with top schools and the teachers play a big part in that. Teachers having a voice is better for everyone.

VA is full of people who don’t value schools (when it comes to taxes & spending) and entitled “freedom” types who like to sh1t on others, like the OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they need unions? Because they have such crappy working conditions and pay. Fix that and maybe they won't need them.

Teachers have bad working conditions and pay? That’s a laugh. Maybe in some states, but in many other states they can earn tenure and get a nice 6-figure salary and pension.

You are dreaming. What is a “good” pension? At most they are getting $25K/yr. that is below poverty rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they need unions? Because they have such crappy working conditions and pay. Fix that and maybe they won't need them.

Teachers have bad working conditions and pay? That’s a laugh. Maybe in some states, but in many other states they can earn tenure and get a nice 6-figure salary and pension.

You are dreaming. What is a “good” pension? At most they are getting $25K/yr. that is below poverty rate.

Plus social security? Sounds pretty good to me. My teacher friends from college all made more than I did straight out of school (I made about $35k in a city, they were making $50k-60k with much better benefits). By grinding and working many many more hours, I make more than they do now, but they’re still doing better than a lot of college educated women we went to school with.