Judaism and Hinduism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately Hinduism and Judaism have strong cultural component.
Hinduism with Indian culture.
Judaism with Israel.
You have to have some kind of Cultural and historical connections with this Countries to belong.

Huh? This is such BS. Most Jews have no connection to Israel and belong just fine. You know the Jewish people existed way before the state of Israel?

Also, please be aware that there are many Hindus who do not live in India.

What a load of crock.

I think you missed the historical and cultural aspect of belonging.
The founding father was Abraham and God promised him the promised land.
For followers of Judaism Israel is the promised land.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I’m Jewish and no — the current state of Israel is not the promised land. For many of us, Israel is as much a concept as it is a place.

Stop goysplaining to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately Hinduism and Judaism have strong cultural component.
Hinduism with Indian culture.
Judaism with Israel.
You have to have some kind of Cultural and historical connections with this Countries to belong.

Huh? This is such BS. Most Jews have no connection to Israel and belong just fine. You know the Jewish people existed way before the state of Israel?

Also, please be aware that there are many Hindus who do not live in India.

What a load of crock.

I think you missed the historical and cultural aspect of belonging.
The founding father was Abraham and God promised him the promised land.
For followers of Judaism Israel is the promised land.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I’m Jewish and no — the current state of Israel is not the promised land. For many of us, Israel is as much a concept as it is a place.

Stop goysplaining to me.

Why don’t you answer the question OP is asking to the best of your knowledge?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately Hinduism and Judaism have strong cultural component.
Hinduism with Indian culture.
Judaism with Israel.
You have to have some kind of Cultural and historical connections with this Countries to belong.

Huh? This is such BS. Most Jews have no connection to Israel and belong just fine. You know the Jewish people existed way before the state of Israel?

Also, please be aware that there are many Hindus who do not live in India.

What a load of crock.

I think you missed the historical and cultural aspect of belonging.
The founding father was Abraham and God promised him the promised land.
For followers of Judaism Israel is the promised land.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I’m Jewish and no — the current state of Israel is not the promised land. For many of us, Israel is as much a concept as it is a place.

Stop goysplaining to me.

Why don’t you answer the question OP is asking to the best of your knowledge?

Why? Are you quizzing me or something?

Jews don’t proselytize for several reasons:

1. We don’t believe you need to be Jewish to get into heaven. In fact, we don’t really agree on what happens after you die. Most proselytizing happens in order to “save” someone’s soul. Without a developed sense of an afterlife, there would be no justification for converting people.

2. We have been discriminated against for hundreds of years. There have been multiple genocides against us. That has made us wary of going out into the world and advertising our faith.

3. Ever since the destruction of the second temple, we haven’t had a large political infrastructure. Nothing like the Catholic Church or the infrastructure around Mormonism. We are fairly decentralized. A decentralized, largely diaspora religion isn’t well-suited to supporting a large, well-organized proselytizing operation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately Hinduism and Judaism have strong cultural component.
Hinduism with Indian culture.
Judaism with Israel.
You have to have some kind of Cultural and historical connections with this Countries to belong.

Huh? This is such BS. Most Jews have no connection to Israel and belong just fine. You know the Jewish people existed way before the state of Israel?

Also, please be aware that there are many Hindus who do not live in India.

What a load of crock.

I think you missed the historical and cultural aspect of belonging.
The founding father was Abraham and God promised him the promised land.
For followers of Judaism Israel is the promised land.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I’m Jewish and no — the current state of Israel is not the promised land. For many of us, Israel is as much a concept as it is a place.

Stop goysplaining to me.

Why don’t you answer the question OP is asking to the best of your knowledge?

Why? Are you quizzing me or something?

Jews don’t proselytize for several reasons:

1. We don’t believe you need to be Jewish to get into heaven. In fact, we don’t really agree on what happens after you die. Most proselytizing happens in order to “save” someone’s soul. Without a developed sense of an afterlife, there would be no justification for converting people.

2. We have been discriminated against for hundreds of years. There have been multiple genocides against us. That has made us wary of going out into the world and advertising our faith.

3. Ever since the destruction of the second temple, we haven’t had a large political infrastructure. Nothing like the Catholic Church or the infrastructure around Mormonism. We are fairly decentralized. A decentralized, largely diaspora religion isn’t well-suited to supporting a large, well-organized proselytizing operation.

Good points.
Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately Hinduism and Judaism have strong cultural component.
Hinduism with Indian culture.
Judaism with Israel.
You have to have some kind of Cultural and historical connections with this Countries to belong.

Huh? This is such BS. Most Jews have no connection to Israel and belong just fine. You know the Jewish people existed way before the state of Israel?

Also, please be aware that there are many Hindus who do not live in India.

What a load of crock.

I think you mean “what a crock of shit”. The crock is the vessel, not the shit. Alternatively, you could say “what a load of shit”. Either way, though, you need to include the shit!

[Anonymous]

Historically most belief systems did not proselytize. Under polytheistic systems, for example, you could just incorporate new additional deities in your system, or see them as different avatars of the same gods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately Hinduism and Judaism have strong cultural component.
Hinduism with Indian culture.
Judaism with Israel.
You have to have some kind of Cultural and historical connections with this Countries to belong.

Huh? This is such BS. Most Jews have no connection to Israel and belong just fine. You know the Jewish people existed way before the state of Israel?

Also, please be aware that there are many Hindus who do not live in India.

What a load of crock.

I think you mean “what a crock of shit”. The crock is the vessel, not the shit. Alternatively, you could say “what a load of shit”. Either way, though, you need to include the shit!

PP here. You’re right. I wasn’t sure if DCUM allowed shit (I know Jeff has blocked some words), but it’s good to know he does! So yes: it’s a crock of shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t the followers of this religions trying to convert others compared to followers of Christianity , Islam or Mormon .

They do convert if you are about to marry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately Hinduism and Judaism have strong cultural component.
Hinduism with Indian culture.
Judaism with Israel.
You have to have some kind of Cultural and historical connections with this Countries to belong.

Huh? This is such BS. Most Jews have no connection to Israel and belong just fine. You know the Jewish people existed way before the state of Israel?

Also, please be aware that there are many Hindus who do not live in India.

What a load of crock.

I think you missed the historical and cultural aspect of belonging.
The founding father was Abraham and God promised him the promised land.
For followers of Judaism Israel is the promised land.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I’m Jewish and no — the current state of Israel is not the promised land. For many of us, Israel is as much a concept as it is a place.

Stop goysplaining to me.

Why don’t you answer the question OP is asking to the best of your knowledge?

Why? Are you quizzing me or something?

Jews don’t proselytize for several reasons:

1. We don’t believe you need to be Jewish to get into heaven. In fact, we don’t really agree on what happens after you die. Most proselytizing happens in order to “save” someone’s soul. Without a developed sense of an afterlife, there would be no justification for converting people.

2. We have been discriminated against for hundreds of years. There have been multiple genocides against us. That has made us wary of going out into the world and advertising our faith.

3. Ever since the destruction of the second temple, we haven’t had a large political infrastructure. Nothing like the Catholic Church or the infrastructure around Mormonism. We are fairly decentralized. A decentralized, largely diaspora religion isn’t well-suited to supporting a large, well-organized proselytizing operation.

NP here. I think the stronger reason is that we're an ethnoreligion. It's the way of our people, and your people can have their own ways. If you feel really, really moved to join our people, which involves leaving your own people behind and is not something to do lightly (and is kind of a slap in the face for your own ancestors, whoever they may have been), we have a formal procedure. But we have no business trying to boost our numbers by watering down our own community and traditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t the followers of this religions trying to convert others compared to followers of Christianity , Islam or Mormon .

They do convert if you are about to marry

Not in Hinduism. There is no conversion process or necessity for marriage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately Hinduism and Judaism have strong cultural component.
Hinduism with Indian culture.
Judaism with Israel.
You have to have some kind of Cultural and historical connections with this Countries to belong.

Huh? This is such BS. Most Jews have no connection to Israel and belong just fine. You know the Jewish people existed way before the state of Israel?

Also, please be aware that there are many Hindus who do not live in India.

What a load of crock.

I think you missed the historical and cultural aspect of belonging.
The founding father was Abraham and God promised him the promised land.
For followers of Judaism Israel is the promised land.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I’m Jewish and no — the current state of Israel is not the promised land. For many of us, Israel is as much a concept as it is a place.

Stop goysplaining to me.

Why don’t you answer the question OP is asking to the best of your knowledge?

Why? Are you quizzing me or something?

Jews don’t proselytize for several reasons:

1. We don’t believe you need to be Jewish to get into heaven. In fact, we don’t really agree on what happens after you die. Most proselytizing happens in order to “save” someone’s soul. Without a developed sense of an afterlife, there would be no justification for converting people.

2. We have been discriminated against for hundreds of years. There have been multiple genocides against us. That has made us wary of going out into the world and advertising our faith.

3. Ever since the destruction of the second temple, we haven’t had a large political infrastructure. Nothing like the Catholic Church or the infrastructure around Mormonism. We are fairly decentralized. A decentralized, largely diaspora religion isn’t well-suited to supporting a large, well-organized proselytizing operation.

NP here. I think the stronger reason is that we're an ethnoreligion. It's the way of our people, and your people can have their own ways. If you feel really, really moved to join our people, which involves leaving your own people behind and is not something to do lightly (and is kind of a slap in the face for your own ancestors, whoever they may have been), we have a formal procedure. But we have no business trying to boost our numbers by watering down our own community and traditions.

Ethno-religion is a good answer.
With this my “historical and cultural...” comment wasn’t crock of shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately Hinduism and Judaism have strong cultural component.
Hinduism with Indian culture.
Judaism with Israel.
You have to have some kind of Cultural and historical connections with this Countries to belong.

Huh? This is such BS. Most Jews have no connection to Israel and belong just fine. You know the Jewish people existed way before the state of Israel?

Also, please be aware that there are many Hindus who do not live in India.

What a load of crock.

I think you missed the historical and cultural aspect of belonging.
The founding father was Abraham and God promised him the promised land.
For followers of Judaism Israel is the promised land.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I’m Jewish and no — the current state of Israel is not the promised land. For many of us, Israel is as much a concept as it is a place.

Stop goysplaining to me.

Why don’t you answer the question OP is asking to the best of your knowledge?

Why? Are you quizzing me or something?

Jews don’t proselytize for several reasons:

1. We don’t believe you need to be Jewish to get into heaven. In fact, we don’t really agree on what happens after you die. Most proselytizing happens in order to “save” someone’s soul. Without a developed sense of an afterlife, there would be no justification for converting people.

2. We have been discriminated against for hundreds of years. There have been multiple genocides against us. That has made us wary of going out into the world and advertising our faith.

3. Ever since the destruction of the second temple, we haven’t had a large political infrastructure. Nothing like the Catholic Church or the infrastructure around Mormonism. We are fairly decentralized. A decentralized, largely diaspora religion isn’t well-suited to supporting a large, well-organized proselytizing operation.

NP here. I think the stronger reason is that we're an ethnoreligion. It's the way of our people, and your people can have their own ways. If you feel really, really moved to join our people, which involves leaving your own people behind and is not something to do lightly (and is kind of a slap in the face for your own ancestors, whoever they may have been), we have a formal procedure. But we have no business trying to boost our numbers by watering down our own community and traditions.

Ethno-religion is a good answer.
With this my “historical and cultural...” comment wasn’t crock of shit.

Sounds exclusive to the point of being elitist

It involves leaving your own people behind
If you convert, it is a slap in the face to your ancestors
It is a boost to our numbers but waters down our community

Perhaps the pp is a troll
Plenty of people have changed their religion and not left their people

[Anonymous]

Well, sorry. I've answered the question. We don't proselytize because the fundamental concept of what we're doing is different from religions you can just profess or practice. Our beliefs are part of the ancestral package and don't make as much sense if separated from it. Different worldview, really different system.

And I can't tell you how many Reform converts and patrilineals have started publishing articles in the Jewish press telling us we have to change one thing or other that we've done for generations because they don't like it. If people listen to them, they will have diluted our traditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately Hinduism and Judaism have strong cultural component.
Hinduism with Indian culture.
Judaism with Israel.
You have to have some kind of Cultural and historical connections with this Countries to belong.

Huh? This is such BS. Most Jews have no connection to Israel and belong just fine. You know the Jewish people existed way before the state of Israel?

Also, please be aware that there are many Hindus who do not live in India.

What a load of crock.

I think you missed the historical and cultural aspect of belonging.
The founding father was Abraham and God promised him the promised land.
For followers of Judaism Israel is the promised land.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I’m Jewish and no — the current state of Israel is not the promised land. For many of us, Israel is as much a concept as it is a place.

Stop goysplaining to me.

Why don’t you answer the question OP is asking to the best of your knowledge?

Why? Are you quizzing me or something?

Jews don’t proselytize for several reasons:

1. We don’t believe you need to be Jewish to get into heaven. In fact, we don’t really agree on what happens after you die. Most proselytizing happens in order to “save” someone’s soul. Without a developed sense of an afterlife, there would be no justification for converting people.

2. We have been discriminated against for hundreds of years. There have been multiple genocides against us. That has made us wary of going out into the world and advertising our faith.

3. Ever since the destruction of the second temple, we haven’t had a large political infrastructure. Nothing like the Catholic Church or the infrastructure around Mormonism. We are fairly decentralized. A decentralized, largely diaspora religion isn’t well-suited to supporting a large, well-organized proselytizing operation.

NP here. I think the stronger reason is that we're an ethnoreligion. It's the way of our people, and your people can have their own ways. If you feel really, really moved to join our people, which involves leaving your own people behind and is not something to do lightly (and is kind of a slap in the face for your own ancestors, whoever they may have been), we have a formal procedure. But we have no business trying to boost our numbers by watering down our own community and traditions.

Ethno-religion is a good answer.
With this my “historical and cultural...” comment wasn’t crock of shit.

It still is because you connected it to Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, sorry. I've answered the question. We don't proselytize because the fundamental concept of what we're doing is different from religions you can just profess or practice. Our beliefs are part of the ancestral package and don't make as much sense if separated from it. Different worldview, really different system.

And I can't tell you how many Reform converts and patrilineals have started publishing articles in the Jewish press telling us we have to change one thing or other that we've done for generations because they don't like it. If people listen to them, they will have diluted our traditions.

Patrilineals?

Screw you.

We are just as Jewish as you.