Study shows "Reopening schools associated with a 24% increase in R (spread)"; 2nd-largest effect
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Anonymous
What I don’t get about this trolling — “school not for child care” — is that it is so ridiculous, so nonsensical, that I do not understand the point. I get why trolls want to be anti-teacher, because they hate unions and also want to damage public schools to cut taxes on the rich. But “schools aren’t childcare” is so vapid that it hurts. What’s the real point of saying it? Maybe just to push people towards private schools (that you “pay for”?) I guess a major thrust in conservatism is to encourage their own people to have lots of babies and stay at home, producing more little conservatives. But this argument makes little sense when applied to the whole public. So in summary: ???. I don’t get this troll line. |
Anonymous
| School is necessary and they are opening as safely as they can. We're not going back to DL. |
Anonymous
We haven't left DL so I'm not sure where you're going with that line. |
Anonymous
But that's what OP is pushing for. |
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure it is teachers or people who support teachers trying to say that full DL is all teachers are supposed to do. |
Anonymous
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I TOLD YOU SO (Sorry for being so juvenile, but when it comes to several thousands more deaths due to hysterics wanting schools to open because they can't deal with their kids, despite scientists like me cautioning them strongly, I'm very angry.) |
Anonymous
| But like you I think it's vapid. Education research suggests the opposite, but who cares about research, amiright? |
Anonymous
+1 I posted on this in the Health forums back in the summer but people insisted it couldn't be kids. Even as cases rose and deaths rose as families refused to separate anymore - leading to mingling households, pods, vacation spread, and then eventually schools open in parts of the country they never should have been (looking at you Florida). |
Anonymous
| Ok, so they spread it. Do we stay in DL for...years? With the associated learning loss and other repercussions to children, particularly those with special needs? Do we think a vaccine will save us? |
Anonymous
You're not sorry. Anyone who uses rhetoric like "can't deal with their kids" loses credibility. Thanks for posting this one, OP. It's important to remember, as the authors note, that they can't account for precautions taken in school settings nor for differences between age level. Those matter for policy, too; the approach needs to be more nuanced than One Policy for All Schools. It's also important to consider the trade-offs of various decisions. So, reopening schools is broadly associated with increased COVID transmission; what's the consequence of keeping them closed indefinitely? Is that worth it? And then we need to consider that for the other events, e.g., large gatherings. So, it's great to have this information but it doesn't lead directly to CLOSE ALL SCHOOLS UNTIL THERE'S A VACCINE. |
Anonymous
+1 When the whole "school isn't childcare" line started popping up all the time, or when I started seeing people say "let's decouple education and childcare", my first instinct was to listen because I thought people were making a policy argument that I just needed to understand. And I respect what teachers do a lot (half of the people in my family are teachers) so I was ready to support an idea that validated teaching as an important profession on its own (which it is). But the sticking point for me was always grounded in the reality of the way we live and how our entire economy and society is set up. Are teachers providing daycare? No, of course not. But as we've all see, if kids don't physically go to school, families are suddenly on the hook for providing something they have never anticipated having to provide. Now, if the "school isn't childcare" people were advocating for a society-based way to get childcare to working families, like subsidized playgroups run by adults qualified to take care of kids, then I would get it. But they aren't. They are saying that if families need childcare (and literally all families need childcare), they must pay for it on the open market, despite the fact that there isn't a market for full-time childcare for school age children. And if they can't find or can't afford care this way, they (and they=moms because it always does) must quit or scale back their jobs to car for their own kids. And if the loss of have their HHI means they have to sell their homes to go live somewhere cheaper, I guess that's what it means. And that's not a policy argument. It's a total abdication of the role of society, and its telling families to go f**k themselves. So: School is childcare, and it will continue to be childcare until society finds another way to provide childcare. The end. |
Anonymous
There are many studies saying the contrary. People aren’t going to change their opinion because you found a sentence to cherry pick. |
Anonymous
The private, parochial, and smaller districts have, it is just a matter of time given the utter disaster that is remote learning. |
Anonymous
I haven't seen a single peer-reviewed study that says the contrary. Please link one from an actual science journal. |
Anonymous
Private and parochial schools are businesses. And I don't know of a district in the DMV that has gone back from DL. |