IWLCA Open Zoom Call

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At the risk of sounding naive, I don’t think this is about camp money. Coaches are genuinely concerned about not seeing players in person. Reluctant to recruit on tape. Want to see interaction with teammates, coaches, officials. How they move and position themselves without the ball, which you often can’t see when the film is only following the ball. How they communicate on the field and sideline. How kids carry themselves before and after games. How they interact with their parent(s). Stuff you just can’t see on film. Plus the fact that they don’t know what their rosters are going to look like in 2021 or 2022. These are four year commitments often with scholarship money behind them. I don’t think anyone coaches Women’s lacrosse for the Big payday.

You are very naive. A few points:

1) Lacrosse commits rarely get scholarships so that’s not in play here.
2) Coaches can continue to watch the 2022s even if date stays Sept 1st
3) The Sept 1 date doesn’t force them to commit anyone if they aren’t ready
4) All the Sept 1 date does is allow full contact so girls can find out who is interested in them.
5) Coaches don’t get paid much, indeed that is the point. They make their money through camps. Why do you think so many of them create companies for camps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the risk of sounding naive, I don’t think this is about camp money. Coaches are genuinely concerned about not seeing players in person. Reluctant to recruit on tape. Want to see interaction with teammates, coaches, officials. How they move and position themselves without the ball, which you often can’t see when the film is only following the ball. How they communicate on the field and sideline. How kids carry themselves before and after games. How they interact with their parent(s). Stuff you just can’t see on film. Plus the fact that they don’t know what their rosters are going to look like in 2021 or 2022. These are four year commitments often with scholarship money behind them. I don’t think anyone coaches Women’s lacrosse for the Big payday.

You are very naive. A few points:

1) Lacrosse commits rarely get scholarships so that’s not in play here.
2) Coaches can continue to watch the 2022s even if date stays Sept 1st
3) The Sept 1 date doesn’t force them to commit anyone if they aren’t ready
4) All the Sept 1 date does is allow full contact so girls can find out who is interested in them.
5) Coaches don’t get paid much, indeed that is the point. They make their money through camps. Why do you think so many of them create companies for camps.

Completely agree. Just because some individual models are broken makes no sense to punish the entire 22 recruiting class. If they don't want to recruit any 22s or even very few 22s, just say so as opposed to duping all of us into paying their $200 to $300 camp and clinic fees. Just be honest.

[Anonymous]

This argument that 'they need to see the kids in person again' rings hollow. Basketball, Football, Baseball, Men's Ice Hockey have have not changed their recruiting process. They recruit more kids per class, have real dollars on the line, and not to be too catty, have to pay far more for academic support versus those at stake for lacrosse (speaking broadly). So the NCAA should absolutely reject the IWLCA's proposal.

[Anonymous]

so in an effort to be constructive...does anyone know if there is a way to contact NCAA and make our voices heard somehow? Any ideas there?

[Anonymous]

How is women's lacrosse any different in that 'have to see them' than basketball, baseball, etc.? This is just idiotic.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

When does the NCAA vote on this?

[Anonymous]

The other sports basketball, football and baseball have scouts. That is how they recruit. Also they recruit in smaller 7 v 7’s in football. What is point playing in college anymore.

[Anonymous]

Why have this discussion, it doesn’t matter because they won’t have many spots if any for the 2022’s. It is wasted air time. It is better to get recruited going to camp than paying all this money to be on a showcase team. If you want your son to play lacrosse, he is honestly better off playing football in college. Many more spots and much more organized than lacrosse. Changing rules changing timelines and kicking the can down the curb is not the way to solve a problem it only allows problems to fester and cause more problems. Now get these kids back to school...

[Anonymous]

If your son is a talented athlete, football and basketball are the way to go. Full ride. The run of the mill white kid generally will not be successful there, however...thus the proliferation of lacrosse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If your son is a talented athlete, football and basketball are the way to go. Full ride. The run of the mill white kid generally will not be successful there, however...thus the proliferation of lacrosse.

You and PP above you are complete idiots. This thread is about GIRLS LACROSSE. Read the title (hint - IWLCA is governing body of women’s lacrosse coaches).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your son is a talented athlete, football and basketball are the way to go. Full ride. The run of the mill white kid generally will not be successful there, however...thus the proliferation of lacrosse.

You and PP above you are complete idiots. This thread is about GIRLS LACROSSE. Read the title (hint - IWLCA is governing body of women’s lacrosse coaches).

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Start your own thread rather than taking over ours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your son is a talented athlete, football and basketball are the way to go. Full ride. The run of the mill white kid generally will not be successful there, however...thus the proliferation of lacrosse.

You and PP above you are complete idiots. This thread is about GIRLS LACROSSE. Read the title (hint - IWLCA is governing body of women’s lacrosse coaches).

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Start your own thread rather than taking over ours.

Fair enough, but let’s be honest while we’re all anonymous - none of these second tier sports exist at major college level without football. Reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your son is a talented athlete, football and basketball are the way to go. Full ride. The run of the mill white kid generally will not be successful there, however...thus the proliferation of lacrosse.

You and PP above you are complete idiots. This thread is about GIRLS LACROSSE. Read the title (hint - IWLCA is governing body of women’s lacrosse coaches).

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Start your own thread rather than taking over ours.

Fair enough, but let’s be honest while we’re all anonymous - none of these second tier sports exist at major college level without football. Reality.

If the ACC and Big Ten do not have football seasons, then the best we can hope for is that the women’s lacrosse programs in each league will only lose some of their scholarships and some Asst coach spots. Worst case scenario, lax programs will be eliminated. Reality

[Anonymous]

Yes you are correct. The coaches just have too much going on to even focus on 2022 players. Sad situation. I think club programs just need to be honest with their players. If they are not being honest, then parents force them to be open with the players. No need to focus going all over the country for camps as mentioned before if the numbers of prospects they will look and positions are not there. A lot of money to waste, true fact these high school coaches and directors have never faced something like this and if the college coaches don’t know then how would your club director. Be honest with your players and help them navigate this difficult time.