U12 girls Herndon Youth Soccer All-Star Tournament on November 16-17th

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Anonymous wrote:No one is scouting these tournaments for anything other than wondering if a club can get its kids from rec to travel. No one is scouting in general. I mean really ... "So your child seems good, you've opted not to do travel in your club ... would you like to commute further and pay more to play travel with our club?" ???

Exactly! But I think the scouting comment was made in jest and to mock the OP. No one wants to discuss a random rec age group, especially as old as u12, where any extraordinary talent would already be siphoned off to travel.

Pretty sure that's in jest. Let's face it - at U8, most of the kids there are travel quality. At U9, probably about one-third to one-half of the kids could play travel. Once you get to U10, it's maybe one to two kids per team at best who could be playing low to mid level travel. All the talent more or less gets siphoned off after U9. The U8 age group is the only one at a rec all star tournament with all the best players in tact still.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is scouting these tournaments for anything other than wondering if a club can get its kids from rec to travel. No one is scouting in general. I mean really ... "So your child seems good, you've opted not to do travel in your club ... would you like to commute further and pay more to play travel with our club?" ???

Exactly! But I think the scouting comment was made in jest and to mock the OP. No one wants to discuss a random rec age group, especially as old as u12, where any extraordinary talent would already be siphoned off to travel.

Pretty sure that's in jest. Let's face it - at U8, most of the kids there are travel quality. At U9, probably about one-third to one-half of the kids could play travel. Once you get to U10, it's maybe one to two kids per team at best who could be playing low to mid level travel. All the talent more or less gets siphoned off after U9. The U8 age group is the only one at a rec all star tournament with all the best players in tact still.

Well as you know, there are clubs with so many travel teams that just about anyone can make a travel team if they wanted, I would have to say that more than 2 kids per team U10 and older can play on a travel team, but I get your point. But you just never know what you'll get. last year, I refereed several U12 boys games and there were some teams that would definitely beat some weaker travel teams. There were some very, very good players out there. Maybe can't play travel due to cost, logistics, prefers another sport, etc. Never know what you'll get. But yes, I agree with your thoughts on the U8s.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is scouting these tournaments for anything other than wondering if a club can get its kids from rec to travel. No one is scouting in general. I mean really ... "So your child seems good, you've opted not to do travel in your club ... would you like to commute further and pay more to play travel with our club?" ???

Exactly! But I think the scouting comment was made in jest and to mock the OP. No one wants to discuss a random rec age group, especially as old as u12, where any extraordinary talent would already be siphoned off to travel.

Pretty sure that's in jest. Let's face it - at U8, most of the kids there are travel quality. At U9, probably about one-third to one-half of the kids could play travel. Once you get to U10, it's maybe one to two kids per team at best who could be playing low to mid level travel. All the talent more or less gets siphoned off after U9. The U8 age group is the only one at a rec all star tournament with all the best players in tact still.

Well as you know, there are clubs with so many travel teams that just about anyone can make a travel team if they wanted, I would have to say that more than 2 kids per team U10 and older can play on a travel team, but I get your point. But you just never know what you'll get. last year, I refereed several U12 boys games and there were some teams that would definitely beat some weaker travel teams. There were some very, very good players out there. Maybe can't play travel due to cost, logistics, prefers another sport, etc. Never know what you'll get. But yes, I agree with your thoughts on the U8s.

Why won't the clubs allow All-star vs travel scrimmage games? (unless some do; I have never heard of one in the area).

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Anonymous wrote:i predict Mclean wins it all

Agree completely!

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Anonymous wrote:No one is scouting these tournaments for anything other than wondering if a club can get its kids from rec to travel. No one is scouting in general. I mean really ... "So your child seems good, you've opted not to do travel in your club ... would you like to commute further and pay more to play travel with our club?" ???

Exactly! But I think the scouting comment was made in jest and to mock the OP. No one wants to discuss a random rec age group, especially as old as u12, where any extraordinary talent would already be siphoned off to travel.

Pretty sure that's in jest. Let's face it - at U8, most of the kids there are travel quality. At U9, probably about one-third to one-half of the kids could play travel. Once you get to U10, it's maybe one to two kids per team at best who could be playing low to mid level travel. All the talent more or less gets siphoned off after U9. The U8 age group is the only one at a rec all star tournament with all the best players in tact still.

Well as you know, there are clubs with so many travel teams that just about anyone can make a travel team if they wanted, I would have to say that more than 2 kids per team U10 and older can play on a travel team, but I get your point. But you just never know what you'll get. last year, I refereed several U12 boys games and there were some teams that would definitely beat some weaker travel teams. There were some very, very good players out there. Maybe can't play travel due to cost, logistics, prefers another sport, etc. Never know what you'll get. But yes, I agree with your thoughts on the U8s.

Why won't the clubs allow All-star vs travel scrimmage games? (unless some do; I have never heard of one in the area).

Scrimmages are, by definition, un-sanctioned un-ranked practice games. Nothing is stopping any Rec coach from reaching out to a travel coach to set up a scrimmage. But the Herndon All-Stars is a Rec soccer tournament and as such, including travel teams would go against the intent and competitive balance of the tournament.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is scouting these tournaments for anything other than wondering if a club can get its kids from rec to travel. No one is scouting in general. I mean really ... "So your child seems good, you've opted not to do travel in your club ... would you like to commute further and pay more to play travel with our club?" ???

Exactly! But I think the scouting comment was made in jest and to mock the OP. No one wants to discuss a random rec age group, especially as old as u12, where any extraordinary talent would already be siphoned off to travel.

Pretty sure that's in jest. Let's face it - at U8, most of the kids there are travel quality. At U9, probably about one-third to one-half of the kids could play travel. Once you get to U10, it's maybe one to two kids per team at best who could be playing low to mid level travel. All the talent more or less gets siphoned off after U9. The U8 age group is the only one at a rec all star tournament with all the best players in tact still.

Well as you know, there are clubs with so many travel teams that just about anyone can make a travel team if they wanted, I would have to say that more than 2 kids per team U10 and older can play on a travel team, but I get your point. But you just never know what you'll get. last year, I refereed several U12 boys games and there were some teams that would definitely beat some weaker travel teams. There were some very, very good players out there. Maybe can't play travel due to cost, logistics, prefers another sport, etc. Never know what you'll get. But yes, I agree with your thoughts on the U8s.

Why won't the clubs allow All-star vs travel scrimmage games? (unless some do; I have never heard of one in the area).

Scrimmages are, by definition, un-sanctioned un-ranked practice games. Nothing is stopping any Rec coach from reaching out to a travel coach to set up a scrimmage. But the Herndon All-Stars is a Rec soccer tournament and as such, including travel teams would go against the intent and competitive balance of the tournament.

Absolutely no question about that. I think we all agree they should be separate - as far as games. I only asked about scrimmages - because I personally believe some all-star teams might well beat local travel teams (although the question is completely academic, until someone actually arranges a scrimmage).

Your response raises another, unpleasant possibility: travel "ringers" in All-stars. My hope is that such instances do not exist.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is scouting these tournaments for anything other than wondering if a club can get its kids from rec to travel. No one is scouting in general. I mean really ... "So your child seems good, you've opted not to do travel in your club ... would you like to commute further and pay more to play travel with our club?" ???

Exactly! But I think the scouting comment was made in jest and to mock the OP. No one wants to discuss a random rec age group, especially as old as u12, where any extraordinary talent would already be siphoned off to travel.

Pretty sure that's in jest. Let's face it - at U8, most of the kids there are travel quality. At U9, probably about one-third to one-half of the kids could play travel. Once you get to U10, it's maybe one to two kids per team at best who could be playing low to mid level travel. All the talent more or less gets siphoned off after U9. The U8 age group is the only one at a rec all star tournament with all the best players in tact still.

Well as you know, there are clubs with so many travel teams that just about anyone can make a travel team if they wanted, I would have to say that more than 2 kids per team U10 and older can play on a travel team, but I get your point. But you just never know what you'll get. last year, I refereed several U12 boys games and there were some teams that would definitely beat some weaker travel teams. There were some very, very good players out there. Maybe can't play travel due to cost, logistics, prefers another sport, etc. Never know what you'll get. But yes, I agree with your thoughts on the U8s.

Why won't the clubs allow All-star vs travel scrimmage games? (unless some do; I have never heard of one in the area).

Scrimmages are, by definition, un-sanctioned un-ranked practice games. Nothing is stopping any Rec coach from reaching out to a travel coach to set up a scrimmage. But the Herndon All-Stars is a Rec soccer tournament and as such, including travel teams would go against the intent and competitive balance of the tournament.

Absolutely no question about that. I think we all agree they should be separate - as far as games. I only asked about scrimmages - because I personally believe some all-star teams might well beat local travel teams (although the question is completely academic, until someone actually arranges a scrimmage).

Your response raises another, unpleasant possibility: travel "ringers" in All-stars. My hope is that such instances do not exist.

The Herndon All-Star tournament is a well run rec tournament. There is no glory to be had for a rec program to bring in ringers to win. Every club handles their team selection differently but most larger clubs will call for player recommendations to be added. For these kids who are recommended it is a nice little honor to get to play outside of their rec environment against "other clubs". And I believe the spirit of that is pretty well preserved across the board. For most clubs, the tournament isn't intended to be competitive as much as participation is intended to be a reward for their acknowledged players who are selected to participate.

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Anonymous wrote:The Herndon All-Star tournament is a well run rec tournament. There is no glory to be had for a rec program to bring in ringers to win. Every club handles their team selection differently but most larger clubs will call for player recommendations to be added. For these kids who are recommended it is a nice little honor to get to play outside of their rec environment against "other clubs". And I believe the spirit of that is pretty well preserved across the board. For most clubs, the tournament isn't intended to be competitive as much as participation is intended to be a reward for their acknowledged players who are selected to participate.

Is the Herndon All-Star tournament just for member clubs of the Suburban Friendship League (SFL)? Also, did the SFL have a regular team tournament last week (i.e., regular tournament one weekend, then all-star tournament the next)? If so, seems like a nice arrangement. Wish SFL had more of a social presence, although their league seems very healthy as is.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun will be kicking ass and taking names watch ?

In this age group, one of the GFRS teams has consistently finished in 2nd or 1st in past All-Stars, along with McLean.

But in the recent Friendship League tournament, a Springfield rec team came out on top by a wide margin. Not sure how many of those players are on their All Stars team. I would not dismiss this year's Springfield team's chances.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is scouting these tournaments for anything other than wondering if a club can get its kids from rec to travel. No one is scouting in general. I mean really ... "So your child seems good, you've opted not to do travel in your club ... would you like to commute further and pay more to play travel with our club?" ???

Exactly! But I think the scouting comment was made in jest and to mock the OP. No one wants to discuss a random rec age group, especially as old as u12, where any extraordinary talent would already be siphoned off to travel.

Pretty sure that's in jest. Let's face it - at U8, most of the kids there are travel quality. At U9, probably about one-third to one-half of the kids could play travel. Once you get to U10, it's maybe one to two kids per team at best who could be playing low to mid level travel. All the talent more or less gets siphoned off after U9. The U8 age group is the only one at a rec all star tournament with all the best players in tact still.

Well as you know, there are clubs with so many travel teams that just about anyone can make a travel team if they wanted, I would have to say that more than 2 kids per team U10 and older can play on a travel team, but I get your point. But you just never know what you'll get. last year, I refereed several U12 boys games and there were some teams that would definitely beat some weaker travel teams. There were some very, very good players out there. Maybe can't play travel due to cost, logistics, prefers another sport, etc. Never know what you'll get. But yes, I agree with your thoughts on the U8s.

Why won't the clubs allow All-star vs travel scrimmage games? (unless some do; I have never heard of one in the area).

Ours did a few years ago for fun at a combined practice and the all star team beat the "white" team handily. travel coaches didn't have the balls to plan a scrimmage against the "red" team. LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is scouting these tournaments for anything other than wondering if a club can get its kids from rec to travel. No one is scouting in general. I mean really ... "So your child seems good, you've opted not to do travel in your club ... would you like to commute further and pay more to play travel with our club?" ???

Exactly! But I think the scouting comment was made in jest and to mock the OP. No one wants to discuss a random rec age group, especially as old as u12, where any extraordinary talent would already be siphoned off to travel.

Pretty sure that's in jest. Let's face it - at U8, most of the kids there are travel quality. At U9, probably about one-third to one-half of the kids could play travel. Once you get to U10, it's maybe one to two kids per team at best who could be playing low to mid level travel. All the talent more or less gets siphoned off after U9. The U8 age group is the only one at a rec all star tournament with all the best players in tact still.

Not true for our club. We have many players in the older ages who could play travel but can't afford it, don't want to commit the time, etc. Anyone who wants to get their kid on travel can find a team who will take him. Some places have 5/6 teams per age group!

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Anonymous wrote:i predict Mclean wins it all

Agree completely!

LOL, if that random Manassas team shows up again they will kick Mclean's kiester. Hope they don't have a team in my dc's bracket.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is scouting these tournaments for anything other than wondering if a club can get its kids from rec to travel. No one is scouting in general. I mean really ... "So your child seems good, you've opted not to do travel in your club ... would you like to commute further and pay more to play travel with our club?" ???

Exactly! But I think the scouting comment was made in jest and to mock the OP. No one wants to discuss a random rec age group, especially as old as u12, where any extraordinary talent would already be siphoned off to travel.

Pretty sure that's in jest. Let's face it - at U8, most of the kids there are travel quality. At U9, probably about one-third to one-half of the kids could play travel. Once you get to U10, it's maybe one to two kids per team at best who could be playing low to mid level travel. All the talent more or less gets siphoned off after U9. The U8 age group is the only one at a rec all star tournament with all the best players in tact still.

Well as you know, there are clubs with so many travel teams that just about anyone can make a travel team if they wanted, I would have to say that more than 2 kids per team U10 and older can play on a travel team, but I get your point. But you just never know what you'll get. last year, I refereed several U12 boys games and there were some teams that would definitely beat some weaker travel teams. There were some very, very good players out there. Maybe can't play travel due to cost, logistics, prefers another sport, etc. Never know what you'll get. But yes, I agree with your thoughts on the U8s.

Why won't the clubs allow All-star vs travel scrimmage games? (unless some do; I have never heard of one in the area).

Scrimmages are, by definition, un-sanctioned un-ranked practice games. Nothing is stopping any Rec coach from reaching out to a travel coach to set up a scrimmage. But the Herndon All-Stars is a Rec soccer tournament and as such, including travel teams would go against the intent and competitive balance of the tournament.

Absolutely no question about that. I think we all agree they should be separate - as far as games. I only asked about scrimmages - because I personally believe some all-star teams might well beat local travel teams (although the question is completely academic, until someone actually arranges a scrimmage).

Your response raises another, unpleasant possibility: travel "ringers" in All-stars. My hope is that such instances do not exist.

Would never happen because the rec parents of the other players on that team would not stand for it. Rec people aren't insane like travel people.

Now, some people dislike including "Academy" teams in Rec tournaments since they aren't really rec but I don't know if Herndon lets Academy teams participate or not.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is scouting these tournaments for anything other than wondering if a club can get its kids from rec to travel. No one is scouting in general. I mean really ... "So your child seems good, you've opted not to do travel in your club ... would you like to commute further and pay more to play travel with our club?" ???

Exactly! But I think the scouting comment was made in jest and to mock the OP. No one wants to discuss a random rec age group, especially as old as u12, where any extraordinary talent would already be siphoned off to travel.

Pretty sure that's in jest. Let's face it - at U8, most of the kids there are travel quality. At U9, probably about one-third to one-half of the kids could play travel. Once you get to U10, it's maybe one to two kids per team at best who could be playing low to mid level travel. All the talent more or less gets siphoned off after U9. The U8 age group is the only one at a rec all star tournament with all the best players in tact still.

Well as you know, there are clubs with so many travel teams that just about anyone can make a travel team if they wanted, I would have to say that more than 2 kids per team U10 and older can play on a travel team, but I get your point. But you just never know what you'll get. last year, I refereed several U12 boys games and there were some teams that would definitely beat some weaker travel teams. There were some very, very good players out there. Maybe can't play travel due to cost, logistics, prefers another sport, etc. Never know what you'll get. But yes, I agree with your thoughts on the U8s.

Why won't the clubs allow All-star vs travel scrimmage games? (unless some do; I have never heard of one in the area).

Ours did a few years ago for fun at a combined practice and the all star team beat the "white" team handily. travel coaches didn't have the balls to plan a scrimmage against the "red" team. LOL.

red and white? Loudoun?

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probably SYA. There are a lot of great soccer players in Centreville who can't afford travel soccer fees.