Seminary Dean eschews resurrection

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many people simply choose to redefine Christian. A christian refers by definition to a follower of Christ. The only things we know about Christ are from the Bible. Therefore a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Christ in the Bible.

Denominations have different interpretations of words/ themes / what should have more importance etc however at their core to be a Christian denomination or for someone to call themselves a Christian, they have to follow the teachings of Christ.

Yes, and Christ said He would rise again from the grave. So if you don't accept that, you are clearly not regarding the teachings of Christ.

This is a common red herring from non-believers, that all Christ taught was "be good to others." That's not at all the entirety of his teaching. He taught that was God in the flesh, that He was the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy of a Messiah, that He would die for our sins, that He would rise again bodily, that He would ascend to Heaven, and that He would return to judge the wicked.

If you throw out everything after "be good to others," you are not following the teachings of Christ.

This is very Catholic, which she is not. I would not rule her out of the label Christian though.

No. The above is very Biblical. The catholic label has nothing to do with it

+1. I'm the PP who wrote it and definitely not Catholic. Catholic theology adds in a TON of things that Jesus did not teach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many people simply choose to redefine Christian. A christian refers by definition to a follower of Christ. The only things we know about Christ are from the Bible. Therefore a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Christ in the Bible.

Denominations have different interpretations of words/ themes / what should have more importance etc however at their core to be a Christian denomination or for someone to call themselves a Christian, they have to follow the teachings of Christ.

Yes, and Christ said He would rise again from the grave. So if you don't accept that, you are clearly not regarding the teachings of Christ.

This is a common red herring from non-believers, that all Christ taught was "be good to others." That's not at all the entirety of his teaching. He taught that was God in the flesh, that He was the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy of a Messiah, that He would die for our sins, that He would rise again bodily, that He would ascend to Heaven, and that He would return to judge the wicked.

If you throw out everything after "be good to others," you are not following the teachings of Christ.

This is very Catholic, which she is not. I would not rule her out of the label Christian though.

This is presumably what the people thought who asked her to lead a Christian seminary, as well as the people who gave her degrees and jobs at Princeton and Yale

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many people simply choose to redefine Christian. A christian refers by definition to a follower of Christ. The only things we know about Christ are from the Bible. Therefore a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Christ in the Bible.

Denominations have different interpretations of words/ themes / what should have more importance etc however at their core to be a Christian denomination or for someone to call themselves a Christian, they have to follow the teachings of Christ.

Do you think you can follow the teachings of Christ without thinking that he's the son of God who was born of a virgin, died for our sins, was resurrected and ascended into heaven?

No. Those are pretty clear teachings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen this Kristof Easter interview in the New York Times? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/opinion/sunday/christian-easter-serene-jones.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

He interviews the dean of Union Theological Seminary, who is a United Church of Christ minister and a former Yale professor who doesn’t believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection and isn’t sure about heaven. Still, she considers herself a Christian.

What do you think?

No surprised at all. The Scripture describes the End Times as the times when the power of the false church will be unmatched. The true Church will go underground. The false church is the church without Jesus, without Scripture, without Resurrection, without Trinity. The false church is described as the Whore of Babylon and the bride of Satan. The true Church is described as the Bride of Jesus. Jesus already won on the Cross and He will return as the Judge and hurl the false church, its followers together with Satan into the pits of hell. The true Church with its people will be resurrected and will spend the eternity in the presence of God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen this Kristof Easter interview in the New York Times? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/opinion/sunday/christian-easter-serene-jones.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

He interviews the dean of Union Theological Seminary, who is a United Church of Christ minister and a former Yale professor who doesn’t believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection and isn’t sure about heaven. Still, she considers herself a Christian.

What do you think?

No surprised at all. The Scripture describes the End Times as the times when the power of the false church will be unmatched. The true Church will go underground. The false church is the church without Jesus, without Scripture, without Resurrection, without Trinity. The false church is described as the Whore of Babylon and the bride of Satan. The true Church is described as the Bride of Jesus. Jesus already won on the Cross and He will return as the Judge and hurl the false church, its followers together with Satan into the pits of hell. The true Church with its people will be resurrected and will spend the eternity in the presence of God.

I guess we're a long ways from the end times, then, because the "True church" is currently much stronger that the false church

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen this Kristof Easter interview in the New York Times? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/opinion/sunday/christian-easter-serene-jones.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

He interviews the dean of Union Theological Seminary, who is a United Church of Christ minister and a former Yale professor who doesn’t believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection and isn’t sure about heaven. Still, she considers herself a Christian.

What do you think?

No surprised at all. The Scripture describes the End Times as the times when the power of the false church will be unmatched. The true Church will go underground. The false church is the church without Jesus, without Scripture, without Resurrection, without Trinity. The false church is described as the Whore of Babylon and the bride of Satan. The true Church is described as the Bride of Jesus. Jesus already won on the Cross and He will return as the Judge and hurl the false church, its followers together with Satan into the pits of hell. The true Church with its people will be resurrected and will spend the eternity in the presence of God.

I guess we're a long ways from the end times, then, because the "True church" is currently much stronger that the false church

People are trying to estimate whether we are in the End Times or not. Some say yes, some say no. Let's keep in mind that God's timelines are much longer than what we think of in terms of our human lives. End Times could last 2, 5, 10 thousand years. But I think we are in the End Times and I think there is still a very, very long time to go until the final End. And, no the true Church is not stronger. The true Church is being decimated every single day, sometimes in hundreds. The false church holds most of the power through congregations, universities, and public offices. However, the true Church will prevail because that is what Jesus foretold: "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." - Matthew 16:18

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many people simply choose to redefine Christian. A christian refers by definition to a follower of Christ. The only things we know about Christ are from the Bible. Therefore a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Christ in the Bible.

Denominations have different interpretations of words/ themes / what should have more importance etc however at their core to be a Christian denomination or for someone to call themselves a Christian, they have to follow the teachings of Christ.

Yes, and Christ said He would rise again from the grave. So if you don't accept that, you are clearly not regarding the teachings of Christ.

This is a common red herring from non-believers, that all Christ taught was "be good to others." That's not at all the entirety of his teaching. He taught that was God in the flesh, that He was the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy of a Messiah, that He would die for our sins, that He would rise again bodily, that He would ascend to Heaven, and that He would return to judge the wicked.

If you throw out everything after "be good to others," you are not following the teachings of Christ.

This is very Catholic, which she is not. I would not rule her out of the label Christian though.

This is presumably what the people thought who asked her to lead a Christian seminary, as well as the people who gave her degrees and jobs at Princeton and Yale

Sure, no problem when "the people" are heretics themselves, who are, as another pp wrote, desperate to make Christianity palpable to the secular masses. They have completely ruined the true meaning of a Christian seminary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen this Kristof Easter interview in the New York Times? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/opinion/sunday/christian-easter-serene-jones.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

He interviews the dean of Union Theological Seminary, who is a United Church of Christ minister and a former Yale professor who doesn’t believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection and isn’t sure about heaven. Still, she considers herself a Christian.

What do you think?

No surprised at all. The Scripture describes the End Times as the times when the power of the false church will be unmatched. The true Church will go underground. The false church is the church without Jesus, without Scripture, without Resurrection, without Trinity. The false church is described as the Whore of Babylon and the bride of Satan. The true Church is described as the Bride of Jesus. Jesus already won on the Cross and He will return as the Judge and hurl the false church, its followers together with Satan into the pits of hell. The true Church with its people will be resurrected and will spend the eternity in the presence of God.

I guess we're a long ways from the end times, then, because the "True church" is currently much stronger that the false church

People are trying to estimate whether we are in the End Times or not. Some say yes, some say no. Let's keep in mind that God's timelines are much longer than what we think of in terms of our human lives. End Times could last 2, 5, 10 thousand years. But I think we are in the End Times and I think there is still a very, very long time to go until the final End. And, no the true Church is not stronger. The true Church is being decimated every single day, sometimes in hundreds. The false church holds most of the power through congregations, universities, and public offices. However, the true Church will prevail because that is what Jesus foretold: "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." - Matthew 16:18

Very, very well said. Thank you, PP, for this brief, profound thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen this Kristof Easter interview in the New York Times? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/opinion/sunday/christian-easter-serene-jones.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

He interviews the dean of Union Theological Seminary, who is a United Church of Christ minister and a former Yale professor who doesn’t believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection and isn’t sure about heaven. Still, she considers herself a Christian.

What do you think?

No surprised at all. The Scripture describes the End Times as the times when the power of the false church will be unmatched. The true Church will go underground. The false church is the church without Jesus, without Scripture, without Resurrection, without Trinity. The false church is described as the Whore of Babylon and the bride of Satan. The true Church is described as the Bride of Jesus. Jesus already won on the Cross and He will return as the Judge and hurl the false church, its followers together with Satan into the pits of hell. The true Church with its people will be resurrected and will spend the eternity in the presence of God.

I guess we're a long ways from the end times, then, because the "True church" is currently much stronger that the false church

People are trying to estimate whether we are in the End Times or not. Some say yes, some say no. Let's keep in mind that God's timelines are much longer than what we think of in terms of our human lives. End Times could last 2, 5, 10 thousand years. But I think we are in the End Times and I think there is still a very, very long time to go until the final End. And, no the true Church is not stronger. The true Church is being decimated every single day, sometimes in hundreds. The false church holds most of the power through congregations, universities, and public offices. However, the true Church will prevail because that is what Jesus foretold: "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." - Matthew 16:18

So how did you find out about God's longer timelines? Talking to God? Wishful thinking? Making excuses?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen this Kristof Easter interview in the New York Times? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/opinion/sunday/christian-easter-serene-jones.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

He interviews the dean of Union Theological Seminary, who is a United Church of Christ minister and a former Yale professor who doesn’t believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection and isn’t sure about heaven. Still, she considers herself a Christian.

What do you think?

No surprised at all. The Scripture describes the End Times as the times when the power of the false church will be unmatched. The true Church will go underground. The false church is the church without Jesus, without Scripture, without Resurrection, without Trinity. The false church is described as the Whore of Babylon and the bride of Satan. The true Church is described as the Bride of Jesus. Jesus already won on the Cross and He will return as the Judge and hurl the false church, its followers together with Satan into the pits of hell. The true Church with its people will be resurrected and will spend the eternity in the presence of God.

I guess we're a long ways from the end times, then, because the "True church" is currently much stronger that the false church

People are trying to estimate whether we are in the End Times or not. Some say yes, some say no. Let's keep in mind that God's timelines are much longer than what we think of in terms of our human lives. End Times could last 2, 5, 10 thousand years. But I think we are in the End Times and I think there is still a very, very long time to go until the final End. And, no the true Church is not stronger. The true Church is being decimated every single day, sometimes in hundreds. The false church holds most of the power through congregations, universities, and public offices. However, the true Church will prevail because that is what Jesus foretold: "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." - Matthew 16:18

So how did you find out about God's longer timelines? Talking to God? Wishful thinking? Making excuses?

Try reading the Bible and understanding world and human history. It’s not that hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen this Kristof Easter interview in the New York Times? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/opinion/sunday/christian-easter-serene-jones.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

He interviews the dean of Union Theological Seminary, who is a United Church of Christ minister and a former Yale professor who doesn’t believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection and isn’t sure about heaven. Still, she considers herself a Christian.

What do you think?

No surprised at all. The Scripture describes the End Times as the times when the power of the false church will be unmatched. The true Church will go underground. The false church is the church without Jesus, without Scripture, without Resurrection, without Trinity. The false church is described as the Whore of Babylon and the bride of Satan. The true Church is described as the Bride of Jesus. Jesus already won on the Cross and He will return as the Judge and hurl the false church, its followers together with Satan into the pits of hell. The true Church with its people will be resurrected and will spend the eternity in the presence of God.

I guess we're a long ways from the end times, then, because the "True church" is currently much stronger that the false church

People are trying to estimate whether we are in the End Times or not. Some say yes, some say no. Let's keep in mind that God's timelines are much longer than what we think of in terms of our human lives. End Times could last 2, 5, 10 thousand years. But I think we are in the End Times and I think there is still a very, very long time to go until the final End. And, no the true Church is not stronger. The true Church is being decimated every single day, sometimes in hundreds. The false church holds most of the power through congregations, universities, and public offices. However, the true Church will prevail because that is what Jesus foretold: "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." - Matthew 16:18

So how did you find out about God's longer timelines? Talking to God? Wishful thinking? Making excuses?

None of the above. You find out by reading the Bible:

2 Peter 3:8-9: “But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”

[Anonymous]

I think she should resign.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she should resign.

I think she's pretty typical of seminary presidents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think she should resign.

I think she's pretty typical of seminary presidents

She represents the false church, the "church" without Jesus, Resurrection, Scripture, Trinity, Disciples.
The false church will rule for a considerable amount of time but it has already been defeated on the Cross. It's time will be up and it will be hurled into hell. However, while it rules it will destroy everything of value in its site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think she should resign.

I think she's pretty typical of seminary presidents

She represents the false church, the "church" without Jesus, Resurrection, Scripture, Trinity, Disciples.
The false church will rule for a considerable amount of time but it has already been defeated on the Cross. It's time will be up and it will be hurled into hell. However, while it rules it will destroy everything of value in its site.

Another biblical interpretation?