Wilderness Programs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://trailscarolina.com/

I posted in the teen forum about friends who used this. Best of luck.

Not the kind of place I would send my kid.

https://www.wbtv.com/2021/08/30/new-inspection-finds-more-problems-wilderness-therapy-camp-kids-teens/?outputType=amp

[Anonymous]

I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

Sometimes things get so desperate. If you’ve never been through serious and terrifying problems with your child such that you wouldn’t ever have to consider this, you should not judge others who have. There is nothing like wondering if you and your other kids will make it through the night because your seriously mentally ill child is not fr the rails violence, breaking down doors and walls to get to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

Sometimes things get so desperate. If you’ve never been through serious and terrifying problems with your child such that you wouldn’t ever have to consider this, you should not judge others who have. There is nothing like wondering if you and your other kids will make it through the night because your seriously mentally ill child is not fr the rails violence, breaking down doors and walls to get to you.

But you don't think that causes trauma to a child. I don't know. Maybe there is no better answer. I see having guys grabbing you out of bed in the middle of the night as inherently traumatic. This is compared to a forced hospitalization (which I see can also been traumatic but doesn't have the violence associated with sanctioned kidnapping).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

Sometimes things get so desperate. If you’ve never been through serious and terrifying problems with your child such that you wouldn’t ever have to consider this, you should not judge others who have. There is nothing like wondering if you and your other kids will make it through the night because your seriously mentally ill child is not fr the rails violence, breaking down doors and walls to get to you.

But you don't think that causes trauma to a child. I don't know. Maybe there is no better answer. I see having guys grabbing you out of bed in the middle of the night as inherently traumatic. This is compared to a forced hospitalization (which I see can also been traumatic but doesn't have the violence associated with sanctioned kidnapping).

Of course there is some trauma to the child - just as there is some trauma for the parents. However, parents who choose this are literally afraid for their child's safety. "Transport" is a absolute last resort, but if you have a belligerent kid who weighs 200 pounds, it can be the only way to save your kid's life. That may sounds dramatic for those of you who have never faced that situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone recommend programs that you have used successfully for a boy - age 15? Not diagnosed but serious ODD. Failing classes. He was tested and diagnosed with ADHD and is on medication for it. Therapy is not working.
Save the judgement and snark - just looking for recommendations.

Check with your school counselor. In some states there are wilderness type programs that also focus on GED so they are finished high school in 6-9 months.

If he has an IEP I’d find an advocate to discuss transitional IEP services and moving more towards vocational and job training/ college / vocational school. This often can result in less time spent in school and using afternoon hours for 1:1 job training or vocational exploration, trade school, etc. You can also focus on figuring out why he’s failing- it’s often a result of missing foundational skills. That can be remedied by getting additional educational testing, additional support services or different types of teaching programs are needed. This is very child dependent, just know you have other options you can explore before moving directly to wilderness school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://trailscarolina.com/

I posted in the teen forum about friends who used this. Best of luck.

https://www.wbtv.com/2021/08/30/new-inspection-finds-more-problems-wilderness-therapy-camp-kids-teens/
https://www.wbtv.com/2021/05/24/its-beyond-cruel-inside-nc-wilderness-therapy-program-teens/

Lovely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

Sometimes things get so desperate. If you’ve never been through serious and terrifying problems with your child such that you wouldn’t ever have to consider this, you should not judge others who have. There is nothing like wondering if you and your other kids will make it through the night because your seriously mentally ill child is not fr the rails violence, breaking down doors and walls to get to you.

But you don't think that causes trauma to a child. I don't know. Maybe there is no better answer. I see having guys grabbing you out of bed in the middle of the night as inherently traumatic. This is compared to a forced hospitalization (which I see can also been traumatic but doesn't have the violence associated with sanctioned kidnapping).

If you have a child who is so disturbed and you are that desperate for help that you would have your child transported against their will, your kid is already traumatized. And so is your family. When your options are to allow your kid to remain in the home and terrorize and continue to traumatize your other kids and family members or risk some additional trauma to the kid you are trying to save, it’s not a hard choice. You have your child transported.

I can appreciate your question but you clearly have no idea just how bad things can get for some families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

Sometimes things get so desperate. If you’ve never been through serious and terrifying problems with your child such that you wouldn’t ever have to consider this, you should not judge others who have. There is nothing like wondering if you and your other kids will make it through the night because your seriously mentally ill child is not fr the rails violence, breaking down doors and walls to get to you.

But you don't think that causes trauma to a child. I don't know. Maybe there is no better answer. I see having guys grabbing you out of bed in the middle of the night as inherently traumatic. This is compared to a forced hospitalization (which I see can also been traumatic but doesn't have the violence associated with sanctioned kidnapping).

If you have a child who is so disturbed and you are that desperate for help that you would have your child transported against their will, your kid is already traumatized. And so is your family. When your options are to allow your kid to remain in the home and terrorize and continue to traumatize your other kids and family members or risk some additional trauma to the kid you are trying to save, it’s not a hard choice. You have your child transported.

I can appreciate your question but you clearly have no idea just how bad things can get for some families.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

Sometimes things get so desperate. If you’ve never been through serious and terrifying problems with your child such that you wouldn’t ever have to consider this, you should not judge others who have. There is nothing like wondering if you and your other kids will make it through the night because your seriously mentally ill child is not fr the rails violence, breaking down doors and walls to get to you.

um then they need to be in residential *treatment* and properly medicated, not a program in the wilderness with minimally trained staff.

also OP take note of the kind of kid yours would be with …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

Sometimes things get so desperate. If you’ve never been through serious and terrifying problems with your child such that you wouldn’t ever have to consider this, you should not judge others who have. There is nothing like wondering if you and your other kids will make it through the night because your seriously mentally ill child is not fr the rails violence, breaking down doors and walls to get to you.

But you don't think that causes trauma to a child. I don't know. Maybe there is no better answer. I see having guys grabbing you out of bed in the middle of the night as inherently traumatic. This is compared to a forced hospitalization (which I see can also been traumatic but doesn't have the violence associated with sanctioned kidnapping).

If you have a child who is so disturbed and you are that desperate for help that you would have your child transported against their will, your kid is already traumatized. And so is your family. When your options are to allow your kid to remain in the home and terrorize and continue to traumatize your other kids and family members or risk some additional trauma to the kid you are trying to save, it’s not a hard choice. You have your child transported.

I can appreciate your question but you clearly have no idea just how bad things can get for some families.

If your kid is that traumatized and that dangerous, “wilderness therapy” is not appropriate treatment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

Sometimes things get so desperate. If you’ve never been through serious and terrifying problems with your child such that you wouldn’t ever have to consider this, you should not judge others who have. There is nothing like wondering if you and your other kids will make it through the night because your seriously mentally ill child is not fr the rails violence, breaking down doors and walls to get to you.

But you don't think that causes trauma to a child. I don't know. Maybe there is no better answer. I see having guys grabbing you out of bed in the middle of the night as inherently traumatic. This is compared to a forced hospitalization (which I see can also been traumatic but doesn't have the violence associated with sanctioned kidnapping).

If you have a child who is so disturbed and you are that desperate for help that you would have your child transported against their will, your kid is already traumatized. And so is your family. When your options are to allow your kid to remain in the home and terrorize and continue to traumatize your other kids and family members or risk some additional trauma to the kid you are trying to save, it’s not a hard choice. You have your child transported.

I can appreciate your question but you clearly have no idea just how bad things can get for some families.

Exactly.

so wilderness therapy is basically private jail?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

Sometimes things get so desperate. If you’ve never been through serious and terrifying problems with your child such that you wouldn’t ever have to consider this, you should not judge others who have. There is nothing like wondering if you and your other kids will make it through the night because your seriously mentally ill child is not fr the rails violence, breaking down doors and walls to get to you.

um then they need to be in residential *treatment* and properly medicated, not a program in the wilderness with minimally trained staff.

also OP take note of the kind of kid yours would be with …

Few residential treatment programs take very difficult kids. And few parents have the kind of money it takes to get into RT, though if you’re looking at wilderness that’s private pay too. And, medication is an art that requires a lot of trial and error and before you hit on the right combination, if you ever do, things can get really bad. It’s easy when you haven’t walked in those shoes to spout off solutions which don’t even remotely reflect reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

Sometimes things get so desperate. If you’ve never been through serious and terrifying problems with your child such that you wouldn’t ever have to consider this, you should not judge others who have. There is nothing like wondering if you and your other kids will make it through the night because your seriously mentally ill child is not fr the rails violence, breaking down doors and walls to get to you.

um then they need to be in residential *treatment* and properly medicated, not a program in the wilderness with minimally trained staff.

also OP take note of the kind of kid yours would be with …

I assume you don’t know that residential treatment programs require the child to be there voluntarily at young ages - depending on the state. Ages 12-14.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry you and your child are struggling OP. I would just thoroughly research all programs. I also do not support programs that "kidnap" children in the middle of the night.

Sometimes things get so desperate. If you’ve never been through serious and terrifying problems with your child such that you wouldn’t ever have to consider this, you should not judge others who have. There is nothing like wondering if you and your other kids will make it through the night because your seriously mentally ill child is not fr the rails violence, breaking down doors and walls to get to you.

But you don't think that causes trauma to a child. I don't know. Maybe there is no better answer. I see having guys grabbing you out of bed in the middle of the night as inherently traumatic. This is compared to a forced hospitalization (which I see can also been traumatic but doesn't have the violence associated with sanctioned kidnapping).

If you have a child who is so disturbed and you are that desperate for help that you would have your child transported against their will, your kid is already traumatized. And so is your family. When your options are to allow your kid to remain in the home and terrorize and continue to traumatize your other kids and family members or risk some additional trauma to the kid you are trying to save, it’s not a hard choice. You have your child transported.

I can appreciate your question but you clearly have no idea just how bad things can get for some families.

Exactly.

so wilderness therapy is basically private jail?

Not at all.