Why accepting help from Russia is bad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is Trump digging deeper holes for himself and Junior with his deranged tweets?

Does the word moron come to mind?

It does, yes. But when Trump preemptively tweets these things it also normalizes it for his base. They become numb to it and take his word as truth. To people with brains, Trump’s tweets seem like self incrimination. To his Trumpkins these tweets are the word of God.

Yep, this. All he has to do is get his side of the story out first. That’s all they care about.

[Anonymous]

The real problem is that we have no idea what Russia has done. If all that happened is that Trump got one squirt of data from Russia, maybe that's not that extreme.

If Russia really hacked our voting machines and turned many members of Congress into assets, that's a big problem.

How do we know that Russia isn't go to try to invade Poland? Or Sweden? Or Alaska?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s easy.

Because it’s illegal. Full stop.

No matter how many false alanlogies you make to what Hillary did, which was different and legal, it does not make the Trump Tower meeting any less illegal.

What happened that was illegal? Genuinely need an explanation...

It is illegal for a campaign to receive a contribution or something of value from a foreign individual or entity.

Here’s what the FEC says: https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/


Court have clearly stated information (like opposition research) is something of value. This should be obvious. A campaign would and campaigns do pay big bucks for people to conduct opposition research. You can donate money used for oppo research. Or, you can cut out the middleman, and just give him the research.

Don Jr. went to the Trump Tower meeting. He know it was with a foreign national, with ties to a foreign government. And now Trump says he went with the purpose of getting oppo research from a foreign government.

Even if he got nothing (which is not a given, because of the timing of Wikileaks), Don Jr, attempted to violate campaign finance law.

The attempt does not have to be successful to be illegal. Just like someone does not have to die for you to be charged with attempted murder.

Game, set, match. Mueller.

HRC/the Steele Dossier was different because it was paid for at fair market value. And because Steele was aCIA asset. But even if the dossier was also illegal, it does not make Don Jr (and Kushner and Manafort) innocent. It just means Hillary was guilty too.

If everything above is correct, why Mueller didn't charge Don Jr. with the attempt to commit the crime? After year and half of investigation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dont worry removing trump from office either by the rule of law or the ballot box will be the best thing to happen to this country in quite a while. Patience, the truth will come.

+1. The country will be stronger after it deals with Trump.

I hope you're right but we have a poster on another thread calling for and looking forward to civil war so he can "stick it to the libs".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s easy.

Because it’s illegal. Full stop.

No matter how many false alanlogies you make to what Hillary did, which was different and legal, it does not make the Trump Tower meeting any less illegal.

What happened that was illegal? Genuinely need an explanation...

It is illegal for a campaign to receive a contribution or something of value from a foreign individual or entity.

Here’s what the FEC says: https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/


Court have clearly stated information (like opposition research) is something of value. This should be obvious. A campaign would and campaigns do pay big bucks for people to conduct opposition research. You can donate money used for oppo research. Or, you can cut out the middleman, and just give him the research.

Don Jr. went to the Trump Tower meeting. He know it was with a foreign national, with ties to a foreign government. And now Trump says he went with the purpose of getting oppo research from a foreign government.

Even if he got nothing (which is not a given, because of the timing of Wikileaks), Don Jr, attempted to violate campaign finance law.

The attempt does not have to be successful to be illegal. Just like someone does not have to die for you to be charged with attempted murder.

Game, set, match. Mueller.

HRC/the Steele Dossier was different because it was paid for at fair market value. And because Steele was aCIA asset. But even if the dossier was also illegal, it does not make Don Jr (and Kushner and Manafort) innocent. It just means Hillary was guilty too.

If everything above is correct, why Mueller didn't charge Don Jr. with the attempt to commit the crime? After year and half of investigation?

It’s how you take down the mob. You start with the little fish, and get them to turn, and work your way up to an unassailable case against the big fish. Jr. hers inficted last (except Trump).

Plus, Once Jr, is indicted, Trump will fire Mueller. So Mueller does it dead last.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real problem is that we have no idea what Russia has done. If all that happened is that Trump got one squirt of data from Russia, maybe that's not that extreme.

If Russia really hacked our voting machines and turned many members of Congress into assets, that's a big problem.

How do we know that Russia isn't go to try to invade Poland? Or Sweden? Or Alaska?

Look at the Muller indictments. That is tip of the iceberg. Look at McCarthy talking about Rohrbacher and Trump. That is tip of the iceberg. Look at the NRA situation. That is tip of the iceberg. Those are things we know about. There is a lot that is not public. ALL of it is illegal. NONE of it is acceptable on any level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s easy.

Because it’s illegal. Full stop.

No matter how many false alanlogies you make to what Hillary did, which was different and legal, it does not make the Trump Tower meeting any less illegal.

What happened that was illegal? Genuinely need an explanation...

It is illegal for a campaign to receive a contribution or something of value from a foreign individual or entity.

Here’s what the FEC says: https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/


Court have clearly stated information (like opposition research) is something of value. This should be obvious. A campaign would and campaigns do pay big bucks for people to conduct opposition research. You can donate money used for oppo research. Or, you can cut out the middleman, and just give him the research.

Don Jr. went to the Trump Tower meeting. He know it was with a foreign national, with ties to a foreign government. And now Trump says he went with the purpose of getting oppo research from a foreign government.

Even if he got nothing (which is not a given, because of the timing of Wikileaks), Don Jr, attempted to violate campaign finance law.

The attempt does not have to be successful to be illegal. Just like someone does not have to die for you to be charged with attempted murder.

Game, set, match. Mueller.

HRC/the Steele Dossier was different because it was paid for at fair market value. And because Steele was aCIA asset. But even if the dossier was also illegal, it does not make Don Jr (and Kushner and Manafort) innocent. It just means Hillary was guilty too.

If everything above is correct, why Mueller didn't charge Don Jr. with the attempt to commit the crime? After year and half of investigation?

Because that isn't how investigations work. If you read about how Enron and the Giotti MOB family were taken down by Mueller, you will begin to get a sense of how this will work. Pretty basic. You lay the foundation with facts (see the previous indictments against the Russians) and then you take down the fringe players (see Papagopolous, Van der Haan etc) and work your way up the pyramid. There is a long way to go with this. The whole "Mueller has been at this a year and nothing" is total BS. For what he is taking on, he has been exceptionally fast. Compare to Bhenghazi and Whitewater and it is like Dash from The Incredibles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s easy.

Because it’s illegal. Full stop.

No matter how many false alanlogies you make to what Hillary did, which was different and legal, it does not make the Trump Tower meeting any less illegal.

What happened that was illegal? Genuinely need an explanation...

It is illegal for a campaign to receive a contribution or something of value from a foreign individual or entity.

Here’s what the FEC says: https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/


Court have clearly stated information (like opposition research) is something of value. This should be obvious. A campaign would and campaigns do pay big bucks for people to conduct opposition research. You can donate money used for oppo research. Or, you can cut out the middleman, and just give him the research.

Don Jr. went to the Trump Tower meeting. He know it was with a foreign national, with ties to a foreign government. And now Trump says he went with the purpose of getting oppo research from a foreign government.

Even if he got nothing (which is not a given, because of the timing of Wikileaks), Don Jr, attempted to violate campaign finance law.

The attempt does not have to be successful to be illegal. Just like someone does not have to die for you to be charged with attempted murder.

Game, set, match. Mueller.

HRC/the Steele Dossier was different because it was paid for at fair market value. And because Steele was aCIA asset. But even if the dossier was also illegal, it does not make Don Jr (and Kushner and Manafort) innocent. It just means Hillary was guilty too.

If everything above is correct, why Mueller didn't charge Don Jr. with the attempt to commit the crime? After year and half of investigation?

NP. Because it's decidedly NOT correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s easy.

Because it’s illegal. Full stop.

No matter how many false alanlogies you make to what Hillary did, which was different and legal, it does not make the Trump Tower meeting any less illegal.

What happened that was illegal? Genuinely need an explanation...

It is illegal for a campaign to receive a contribution or something of value from a foreign individual or entity.

Here’s what the FEC says: https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/


Court have clearly stated information (like opposition research) is something of value. This should be obvious. A campaign would and campaigns do pay big bucks for people to conduct opposition research. You can donate money used for oppo research. Or, you can cut out the middleman, and just give him the research.

Don Jr. went to the Trump Tower meeting. He know it was with a foreign national, with ties to a foreign government. And now Trump says he went with the purpose of getting oppo research from a foreign government.

Even if he got nothing (which is not a given, because of the timing of Wikileaks), Don Jr, attempted to violate campaign finance law.

The attempt does not have to be successful to be illegal. Just like someone does not have to die for you to be charged with attempted murder.

Game, set, match. Mueller.

HRC/the Steele Dossier was different because it was paid for at fair market value. And because Steele was aCIA asset. But even if the dossier was also illegal, it does not make Don Jr (and Kushner and Manafort) innocent. It just means Hillary was guilty too.

If everything above is correct, why Mueller didn't charge Don Jr. with the attempt to commit the crime? After year and half of investigation?

Because that isn't how investigations work. If you read about how Enron and the Giotti MOB family were taken down by Mueller, you will begin to get a sense of how this will work. Pretty basic. You lay the foundation with facts (see the previous indictments against the Russians) and then you take down the fringe players (see Papagopolous, Van der Haan etc) and work your way up the pyramid. There is a long way to go with this. The whole "Mueller has been at this a year and nothing" is total BS. For what he is taking on, he has been exceptionally fast. Compare to Bhenghazi and Whitewater and it is like Dash from The Incredibles.

Look further into Weissman's activities - not pretty.

And when people make statements like the bolded above, it's clear that the whole post is fantasy. Life is not a movie or movie character. Stick to facts please.

[Anonymous]

Here is a link to the documents gotten via lawsuit through FOIA re: FBI/Steele that shows multiple cash payments to Steele from the FBI.



https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-fbi-records-show-dossier-author-deemed-not-suitable-for-use-as-source-show-several-fbi-payments-in-2016/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s easy.

Because it’s illegal. Full stop.

No matter how many false alanlogies you make to what Hillary did, which was different and legal, it does not make the Trump Tower meeting any less illegal.

What happened that was illegal? Genuinely need an explanation...

It is illegal for a campaign to receive a contribution or something of value from a foreign individual or entity.

Here’s what the FEC says: https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/


Court have clearly stated information (like opposition research) is something of value. This should be obvious. A campaign would and campaigns do pay big bucks for people to conduct opposition research. You can donate money used for oppo research. Or, you can cut out the middleman, and just give him the research.

Don Jr. went to the Trump Tower meeting. He know it was with a foreign national, with ties to a foreign government. And now Trump says he went with the purpose of getting oppo research from a foreign government.

Even if he got nothing (which is not a given, because of the timing of Wikileaks), Don Jr, attempted to violate campaign finance law.

The attempt does not have to be successful to be illegal. Just like someone does not have to die for you to be charged with attempted murder.

Game, set, match. Mueller.

HRC/the Steele Dossier was different because it was paid for at fair market value. And because Steele was aCIA asset. But even if the dossier was also illegal, it does not make Don Jr (and Kushner and Manafort) innocent. It just means Hillary was guilty too.

If everything above is correct, why Mueller didn't charge Don Jr. with the attempt to commit the crime? After year and half of investigation?

NP. Because it's decidedly NOT correct.

Really? Which part is NOT correct? Please provide links.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is a link to the documents gotten via lawsuit through FOIA re: FBI/Steele that shows multiple cash payments to Steele from the FBI.



https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-fbi-records-show-dossier-author-deemed-not-suitable-for-use-as-source-show-several-fbi-payments-in-2016/

Why is this being buried? The FBI paid Steele, who in turn worked with Russians to create an anti.Trump dossier, which was paid for by the Clinton team, in order for the FBI to get a warrant to spy on Trump?

Seems like what Hillary did was worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a link to the documents gotten via lawsuit through FOIA re: FBI/Steele that shows multiple cash payments to Steele from the FBI.



https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-fbi-records-show-dossier-author-deemed-not-suitable-for-use-as-source-show-several-fbi-payments-in-2016/

Why is this being buried? The FBI paid Steele, who in turn worked with Russians to create an anti.Trump dossier, which was paid for by the Clinton team, in order for the FBI to get a warrant to spy on Trump?

Seems like what Hillary did was worse.

Because that's not what happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a link to the documents gotten via lawsuit through FOIA re: FBI/Steele that shows multiple cash payments to Steele from the FBI.



https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-fbi-records-show-dossier-author-deemed-not-suitable-for-use-as-source-show-several-fbi-payments-in-2016/

Why is this being buried? The FBI paid Steele, who in turn worked with Russians to create an anti.Trump dossier, which was paid for by the Clinton team, in order for the FBI to get a warrant to spy on Trump?

Seems like what Hillary did was worse.

Because that's not what happened.

Oh thank you. I'm convinced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a link to the documents gotten via lawsuit through FOIA re: FBI/Steele that shows multiple cash payments to Steele from the FBI.



https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-fbi-records-show-dossier-author-deemed-not-suitable-for-use-as-source-show-several-fbi-payments-in-2016/

Why is this being buried? The FBI paid Steele, who in turn worked with Russians to create an anti.Trump dossier, which was paid for by the Clinton team, in order for the FBI to get a warrant to spy on Trump?

Seems like what Hillary did was worse.

Because that's not what happened.

Oh thank you. I'm convinced.

Oh please. As if anything would convince you that Trump is not some innocent victim set up by conniving Hillary.

Actually, you know he's a crook. That's why you're working so furiously to obscure his criminality by spinning an alternate, false narrative.