Cardinal McCarrick removed from ministry by the Pope

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not Catholic but some of the nicest people/families I know are. I have even thought of converting to Catholicism.

Is the church leadership really that awful?

One of my best friends in hs was Catholic and her mom was from Ireland. They moved from their previous home because the priest at their church molested her brother.

I guess it’s not an isolated problem.

But I adore my Catholic friends.

Most regular Catholics are not the problem.

The problem is the organization - the institution and the hierarchy. It's not just a matter of child rapists, it's the mass numbers of people--and leader--involved in covering up abuse. It's very deep, and very systemic.

I don't know what can be done. The whole Catholic Church needs to be gutted and started anew, somehow. And with women involved in leadership. The current patriarchal hierarchy just cannot be trusted. The rot goes deep in the system.

Former Catholic and yes, diversity in leadership to include women would go a long way towards accountability. I'd offer that systemically, the Church will continue to see rampant pedophilia unless and until the church will accept married men as priests.

I see this argument all the time and it makes zero sense. How does allowing men to marry prevent them from becoming deviant sick bastards?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not Catholic but some of the nicest people/families I know are. I have even thought of converting to Catholicism.

Is the church leadership really that awful?

One of my best friends in hs was Catholic and her mom was from Ireland. They moved from their previous home because the priest at their church molested her brother.

I guess it’s not an isolated problem.

But I adore my Catholic friends.

Most regular Catholics are not the problem.

The problem is the organization - the institution and the hierarchy. It's not just a matter of child rapists, it's the mass numbers of people--and leader--involved in covering up abuse. It's very deep, and very systemic.

I don't know what can be done. The whole Catholic Church needs to be gutted and started anew, somehow. And with women involved in leadership. The current patriarchal hierarchy just cannot be trusted. The rot goes deep in the system.

Former Catholic and yes, diversity in leadership to include women would go a long way towards accountability. I'd offer that systemically, the Church will continue to see rampant pedophilia unless and until the church will accept married men as priests.

I see this argument all the time and it makes zero sense. How does allowing men to marry prevent them from becoming deviant sick bastards?

I think the idea is that a broader range of men will find the work appealing to pursue if they can be married and lead a more typical sexual life. As it is, you probably have a narrower range of men willing to give that up. For some, it's because they can remain celibate and choose to, for some it is because they are not interested in a woman as a partner for other reasons (and now that gay men can be married, this may narrow the group willing to go into the priesthood somewhat), and for some it is because they are interested in children rather than an adult woman partner (and so giving up on being married to a woman is not an inherent hardship).

If men who want to be married and to serve in this way are permitted to, there will be proportionally fewer pedophiles, and the culture of what is accepted within the institution will likely change with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not Catholic but some of the nicest people/families I know are. I have even thought of converting to Catholicism.

Is the church leadership really that awful?

One of my best friends in hs was Catholic and her mom was from Ireland. They moved from their previous home because the priest at their church molested her brother.

I guess it’s not an isolated problem.

But I adore my Catholic friends.

Most regular Catholics are not the problem.

The problem is the organization - the institution and the hierarchy. It's not just a matter of child rapists, it's the mass numbers of people--and leader--involved in covering up abuse. It's very deep, and very systemic.

I don't know what can be done. The whole Catholic Church needs to be gutted and started anew, somehow. And with women involved in leadership. The current patriarchal hierarchy just cannot be trusted. The rot goes deep in the system.

Former Catholic and yes, diversity in leadership to include women would go a long way towards accountability. I'd offer that systemically, the Church will continue to see rampant pedophilia unless and until the church will accept married men as priests.

I see this argument all the time and it makes zero sense. How does allowing men to marry prevent them from becoming deviant sick bastards?

Are you a moron? It would expand exponentially the pool of potential priests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not Catholic but some of the nicest people/families I know are. I have even thought of converting to Catholicism.

Is the church leadership really that awful?

One of my best friends in hs was Catholic and her mom was from Ireland. They moved from their previous home because the priest at their church molested her brother.

I guess it’s not an isolated problem.

But I adore my Catholic friends.

Most regular Catholics are not the problem.

The problem is the organization - the institution and the hierarchy. It's not just a matter of child rapists, it's the mass numbers of people--and leader--involved in covering up abuse. It's very deep, and very systemic.

I don't know what can be done. The whole Catholic Church needs to be gutted and started anew, somehow. And with women involved in leadership. The current patriarchal hierarchy just cannot be trusted. The rot goes deep in the system.

Former Catholic and yes, diversity in leadership to include women would go a long way towards accountability. I'd offer that systemically, the Church will continue to see rampant pedophilia unless and until the church will accept married men as priests.

I see this argument all the time and it makes zero sense. How does allowing men to marry prevent them from becoming deviant sick bastards?

Are you a moron? It would expand exponentially the pool of potential priests.

You are the epitome of all that is wrong with this site. No ability to participate without calling names and frothing with rage. And on the religion forum too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not Catholic but some of the nicest people/families I know are. I have even thought of converting to Catholicism.

Is the church leadership really that awful?

One of my best friends in hs was Catholic and her mom was from Ireland. They moved from their previous home because the priest at their church molested her brother.

I guess it’s not an isolated problem.

But I adore my Catholic friends.

Most regular Catholics are not the problem.

The problem is the organization - the institution and the hierarchy. It's not just a matter of child rapists, it's the mass numbers of people--and leader--involved in covering up abuse. It's very deep, and very systemic.

I don't know what can be done. The whole Catholic Church needs to be gutted and started anew, somehow. And with women involved in leadership. The current patriarchal hierarchy just cannot be trusted. The rot goes deep in the system.

Former Catholic and yes, diversity in leadership to include women would go a long way towards accountability. I'd offer that systemically, the Church will continue to see rampant pedophilia unless and until the church will accept married men as priests.

I see this argument all the time and it makes zero sense. How does allowing men to marry prevent them from becoming deviant sick bastards?

I think it makes the Church less of a secret men's club. In secrecy, vileness will fester. Certain mean seek out that club to take advantage of the dynamics.

You allow more married, family men to become priests, it lessens the secrecy. It also must, must include women in high leadership roles. Even in hierarchical roles where men (gasp) are held accountable to women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not Catholic but some of the nicest people/families I know are. I have even thought of converting to Catholicism.

Is the church leadership really that awful?

One of my best friends in hs was Catholic and her mom was from Ireland. They moved from their previous home because the priest at their church molested her brother.

I guess it’s not an isolated problem.

But I adore my Catholic friends.

Most regular Catholics are not the problem.

The problem is the organization - the institution and the hierarchy. It's not just a matter of child rapists, it's the mass numbers of people--and leader--involved in covering up abuse. It's very deep, and very systemic.

I don't know what can be done. The whole Catholic Church needs to be gutted and started anew, somehow. And with women involved in leadership. The current patriarchal hierarchy just cannot be trusted. The rot goes deep in the system.

Former Catholic and yes, diversity in leadership to include women would go a long way towards accountability. I'd offer that systemically, the Church will continue to see rampant pedophilia unless and until the church will accept married men as priests.

I see this argument all the time and it makes zero sense. How does allowing men to marry prevent them from becoming deviant sick bastards?

Are you a moron? It would expand exponentially the pool of potential priests.

You are the epitome of all that is wrong with this site. No ability to participate without calling names and frothing with rage. And on the religion forum too.

Sorry, I shouldn't have said that. But, seriously, isn't it a silly comment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not Catholic but some of the nicest people/families I know are. I have even thought of converting to Catholicism.

Is the church leadership really that awful?

One of my best friends in hs was Catholic and her mom was from Ireland. They moved from their previous home because the priest at their church molested her brother.

I guess it’s not an isolated problem.

But I adore my Catholic friends.

Most regular Catholics are not the problem.

The problem is the organization - the institution and the hierarchy. It's not just a matter of child rapists, it's the mass numbers of people--and leader--involved in covering up abuse. It's very deep, and very systemic.

I don't know what can be done. The whole Catholic Church needs to be gutted and started anew, somehow. And with women involved in leadership. The current patriarchal hierarchy just cannot be trusted. The rot goes deep in the system.

Former Catholic and yes, diversity in leadership to include women would go a long way towards accountability. I'd offer that systemically, the Church will continue to see rampant pedophilia unless and until the church will accept married men as priests.

I see this argument all the time and it makes zero sense. How does allowing men to marry prevent them from becoming deviant sick bastards?

Are you a moron? It would expand exponentially the pool of potential priests.

You are the epitome of all that is wrong with this site. No ability to participate without calling names and frothing with rage. And on the religion forum too.

Sorry, I shouldn't have said that. But, seriously, isn't it a silly comment?

I asked the question in all seriousness. I didn’t realize you are the arbitrator if what can be asked here. Thankfully the other poster provided a good explanation. Perhaps you should skip over questions if you can’t respond like a grown, respectful adult.

[Anonymous]

Well it’s a good thing that after 50 years this guy remembered what happened and reported it this past January - because that was the exact same month of the deadline for financial settlements from NY. Good thing he was able to speak up right at the last second so he wouldn't lose out on all that cash!

Money must be a more powerful memory trigger than justice is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is there a payout to adults?

I don't understand that either. Hush money?

They were most likely seminarians - he was in a position of control over them.

[Anonymous]

Out of control gay priests strike again.

This was known for years.

We need married priests to return straights to the priesthood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well it’s a good thing that after 50 years this guy remembered what happened and reported it this past January - because that was the exact same month of the deadline for financial settlements from NY. Good thing he was able to speak up right at the last second so he wouldn't lose out on all that cash!

Money must be a more powerful memory trigger than justice is.

You’ve got to be kidding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not Catholic but some of the nicest people/families I know are. I have even thought of converting to Catholicism.

Is the church leadership really that awful?

One of my best friends in hs was Catholic and her mom was from Ireland. They moved from their previous home because the priest at their church molested her brother.

I guess it’s not an isolated problem.

But I adore my Catholic friends.

Most regular Catholics are not the problem.

The problem is the organization - the institution and the hierarchy. It's not just a matter of child rapists, it's the mass numbers of people--and leader--involved in covering up abuse. It's very deep, and very systemic.

I don't know what can be done. The whole Catholic Church needs to be gutted and started anew, somehow. And with women involved in leadership. The current patriarchal hierarchy just cannot be trusted. The rot goes deep in the system.

Former Catholic and yes, diversity in leadership to include women would go a long way towards accountability. I'd offer that systemically, the Church will continue to see rampant pedophilia unless and until the church will accept married men as priests.

+1

Widen the door to married priests, there a few but they are converts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Out of control gay priests strike again.

This was known for years.

We need married priests to return straights to the priesthood.

pedophilia and gay are different

Did they say the victim and the adults were male?

pedophiles don't have a preference for gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Out of control gay priests strike again.

This was known for years.

We need married priests to return straights to the priesthood.

pedophilia and gay are different

Did they say the victim and the adults were male?

pedophiles don't have a preference for gender.

Yes, the teenage victim was an altar boy. No specific mention has been made of adult victims' gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Out of control gay priests strike again.

This was known for years.

We need married priests to return straights to the priesthood.

pedophilia and gay are different

Did they say the victim and the adults were male?

pedophiles don't have a preference for gender.

Yes, the teenage victim was an altar boy. No specific mention has been made of adult victims' gender.

By definition, a pedophile is attracted to children who have not yet begin puberty. Obviously, it is morally wrong to molest a teenager, but it is not pedophilia. It's important to use words correctly.