Hogan Slashes Baltimore Redevelopment funding

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not murdering anyone. Neither are my neighbors.

If every person in Baltimore could just do that, and THAT alone, this problem would be solved.

Don't preach to me. I grew up poor AF in southwestern VA in a little squalid mining town you've never even heard of. Everyone was I knew was poor. But we didn't kill each other.

And this is why you're not an expert at solving the problems of inner cities. Don't have any actual ideas that might work in the real world? Then no need to spit out your holier-than-thou commentary.

Do you have any solutions? People have been trying to fix the inner cities of Baltimore for 50 years now. No success whatsoever. If anything it’s gotten worse. The only solution I see from the liberals is to just throw more money after bad, and I’m a liberal saying this.

Actually, we do know what possible solutions could be that could do something meaningful but we won’t do it because it requires turning large parts of Baltimore into a military state. And we don’t do that in America. So there is really no solution that we can accept and tolerate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not murdering anyone. Neither are my neighbors.

If every person in Baltimore could just do that, and THAT alone, this problem would be solved.

Don't preach to me. I grew up poor AF in southwestern VA in a little squalid mining town you've never even heard of. Everyone was I knew was poor. But we didn't kill each other.

And this is why you're not an expert at solving the problems of inner cities. Don't have any actual ideas that might work in the real world? Then no need to spit out your holier-than-thou commentary.

Do you have any solutions? People have been trying to fix the inner cities of Baltimore for 50 years now. No success whatsoever. If anything it’s gotten worse. The only solution I see from the liberals is to just throw more money after bad, and I’m a liberal saying this.

Actually, we do know what possible solutions could be that could do something meaningful but we won’t do it because it requires turning large parts of Baltimore into a military state. And we don’t do that in America. So there is really no solution that we can accept and tolerate.

DP The solution isn't more policing but a fundamental change in culture....which is very difficult to achieve. The toxic masculinity of the black culture, which has been written about extensively by black scholars, is the root of much of the evil that happens in Baltimore. You can throw all the money you want at better schools, workforce training, etc. but it will all come to naught of the culture doesn't change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not murdering anyone. Neither are my neighbors.

If every person in Baltimore could just do that, and THAT alone, this problem would be solved.

Don't preach to me. I grew up poor AF in southwestern VA in a little squalid mining town you've never even heard of. Everyone was I knew was poor. But we didn't kill each other.

And this is why you're not an expert at solving the problems of inner cities. Don't have any actual ideas that might work in the real world? Then no need to spit out your holier-than-thou commentary.

Do you have any solutions? People have been trying to fix the inner cities of Baltimore for 50 years now. No success whatsoever. If anything it’s gotten worse. The only solution I see from the liberals is to just throw more money after bad, and I’m a liberal saying this.

Actually, we do know what possible solutions could be that could do something meaningful but we won’t do it because it requires turning large parts of Baltimore into a military state. And we don’t do that in America. So there is really no solution that we can accept and tolerate.

To the extent success is individuals overcoming the culture and environment and improving themselves, would you see the results in Baltimore City? Wouldn't such individuals likely move to the suburbs? I just don't think the state of certain city neighborhoods is really a fair metric for policies like education, training, etc that address individuals.

As for neighborhoods, where interventions have succeeded (for example the reductions in crime in cities like NYC and DC) that tends to also result in demographic change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not murdering anyone. Neither are my neighbors.

If every person in Baltimore could just do that, and THAT alone, this problem would be solved.

Don't preach to me. I grew up poor AF in southwestern VA in a little squalid mining town you've never even heard of. Everyone was I knew was poor. But we didn't kill each other.

But if you are a person in Baltimore who does not murder anyone, that does not prevent someone else from murdering someone.

As for killings, I cannot speak to your town, but there is definitely crime and murder among poor white people. In recent years we have seen how the decline in employment in rural areas has led to family breakdown and drug addiction, much as it did earlier in inner cities.

As for the toxic culture of inner city blacks, if that is what is driving crime in Baltimore, I have to ask how is that the same demographic groups have different culture in NYC and DC, where crime has been declining (including in poor AA neighborhoods)?

I have to think something else is at work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not rural or redneck, and I think spending money on programs in Baltimore is a waste, too.

Baltimore is a mess because of the people who live there. Punishing the rest of the state by spending a disproportionate amount of money in Baltimore is unfair to everyone else in the rest of Maryland.

As for Mogo, our county taxes are already high enough and we spend enough at the county-level that we frankly don't NEED state money to the extent that poorer rural counties with much smaller tax bases do. I get that. It's reasonable. Mogo probably has 10x the tax revenue as some eastern shore counties, so I get sending more money where there's less.

I think Hogan has done an ok job. He figured out the most important part early on - if something is working well, resist the urge to "fix it" more.

As for him supporting trump, it was pretty clear two years ago that there was no love lost between them. He wouldn't even say his name. So I don't know what you're smoking, but it must be medical-grade

+1

Agree with all of this.

[Anonymous]

I wish Hogan would come clean up montgomery county. They tax the shit out of us and spend it all making the builders who voted them into office happy , on the new Embassy of El Salvador recepients comfortable with 120 billion in new recreational facilities, a billion on services at the ‘Eastern Regional services center’ (lawyers, health care, job help, health care, food stamps) more for Police and gang violence reduction , new schools, on and on and nothing for the people that funded all of that. I wish he would help us clean house of the rampant political corruption here in MoCo - it’s just to get new dem voters and construction kickbacks, future jobs for the politicians .

We’re stupid in MoCo - they take our tax money , spend it as listed above and then they cut something that the middle/Upper class voters care about (gifted education, resource teachers) and squeeze you until you vote for yet another property tax increase ‘for the children’ or ‘for the teachers’ and people fall for it every time. WE ARE STUPID.


Hogan is probably punishing Baltimore for their inability to use the school funding that he sent them. You can’t be so corrupt and do bad at your job that you waste millions in grant money and then expect to get more to waste.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in Montgomery. I give exactly ZERO F's about dumping a bunch of money into Baltimore to fix stuff that the people who live there destroyed during a temper tantrum.

I'm on the fence about Hogan, but this has a lot of appeal to me.

You’re a self absorbed jerk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not rural or redneck, and I think spending money on programs in Baltimore is a waste, too.

Baltimore is a mess because of the people who live there. Punishing the rest of the state by spending a disproportionate amount of money in Baltimore is unfair to everyone else in the rest of Maryland.

As for MoCo, our county taxes are already high enough and we spend enough at the county-level that we frankly don't NEED state money to the extent that poorer rural counties with much smaller tax bases do. I get that. It's reasonable. Mogo probably has 10x the tax revenue as some eastern shore counties, so I get sending more money where there's less.

I think Hogan has done an ok job. He figured out the most important part early on - if something is working well, resist the urge to "fix it" more.

As for him supporting trump, it was pretty clear two years ago that there was no love lost between them. He wouldn't even say his name. So I don't know what you're smoking, but it must be medical-grade

+1

Agree with all of this.

The problem with MoCo is that they take all of that tax revenue and squander it on their own pet liberal projects that bolster the democratic voter base and they also completely pander to developers that support them. Then if the actual tax payers want something the politicians go whining to the state for money and that’s just ridiculous. The rampant spending on corrupt causes needs to end. Time to vote smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not murdering anyone. Neither are my neighbors.

If every person in Baltimore could just do that, and THAT alone, this problem would be solved.

Don't preach to me. I grew up poor AF in southwestern VA in a little squalid mining town you've never even heard of. Everyone was I knew was poor. But we didn't kill each other.

And this is why you're not an expert at solving the problems of inner cities. Don't have any actual ideas that might work in the real world? Then no need to spit out your holier-than-thou commentary.

Do you have any solutions? People have been trying to fix the inner cities of Baltimore for 50 years now. No success whatsoever. If anything it’s gotten worse. The only solution I see from the liberals is to just throw more money after bad, and I’m a liberal saying this.

Actually, we do know what possible solutions could be that could do something meaningful but we won’t do it because it requires turning large parts of Baltimore into a military state. And we don’t do that in America. So there is really no solution that we can accept and tolerate.

For starters Baltimore homes are filled with lead so you have kids growing up poisoned which means severe learning and emotional regulation issues.
Severe and permanent issues. They have no chance in life. Baltimore should have been fixed 30+ years ago.
I think it’s criminal that we are taking in millions of citizens from El Salvador/Guatemala etc here in Montgomery county and supporting them in every way possible when we’ve done very little for our own city residents (Baltimore, DC) here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am from Baltimore and I’m not entirely upset. The state and the Fed have poured billions into Baltimore over the last few decades with little to show for it but persistent problems that never get better. It really is not fair to the rest of the state to keep dumping money into Baltimore. The problems are much deeper than what money can solve. It’s throwing more money after bad.

I’m also astute enough to know that just about all the redevelopment money that is pouring into Baltimore is private money. And that money is making a difference. The key safe parts of the city have grown and gotten better and more desirable. The state didn’t have a role in that.

I will be supporting Hogan because his responsibilities are to the entire state, not just Baltimore. And he’s done a good job from that perspective.

Let’s be frank. Even O’Malley didn’t do much for Baltimore once he became governor despite having been the mayor.

Is the more then ten percent of the state population that live in Baltimore or the fifty percent of the state that live in the greater Baltimore area not Hogan’s constituents? He has repeatedly screwed Baltimore kids by underfunding the Thornton requirememts and killed the red line which would have created 10,000 jobs in Baltimore and solved a long standing public transportation problem that makes it difficult for many city residents to get to to jobs. He then compounded the problem by dramatically cutting bus services to inner city neighborhoods,

It is ironic that the law and order governor has seen the Baltimore murder rate double during his time in office.

As long as Baltimore is in its current condition, it is going to repress business development throughout the state. No man lives in a bubble—as Baltimore goes, so goes the state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not murdering anyone. Neither are my neighbors.

If every person in Baltimore could just do that, and THAT alone, this problem would be solved.

Don't preach to me. I grew up poor AF in southwestern VA in a little squalid mining town you've never even heard of. Everyone was I knew was poor. But we didn't kill each other.

And this is why you're not an expert at solving the problems of inner cities. Don't have any actual ideas that might work in the real world? Then no need to spit out your holier-than-thou commentary.

Do you have any solutions? People have been trying to fix the inner cities of Baltimore for 50 years now. No success whatsoever. If anything it’s gotten worse. The only solution I see from the liberals is to just throw more money after bad, and I’m a liberal saying this.

Actually, we do know what possible solutions could be that could do something meaningful but we won’t do it because it requires turning large parts of Baltimore into a military state. And we don’t do that in America. So there is really no solution that we can accept and tolerate.

DP The solution isn't more policing but a fundamental change in culture....which is very difficult to achieve. The toxic masculinity of the black culture, which has been written about extensively by black scholars, is the root of much of the evil that happens in Baltimore. You can throw all the money you want at better schools, workforce training, etc. but it will all come to naught of the culture doesn't change.

Baltimore was in much better shape just four years ago. When you cut money for schools, transportation, infrastructure construction, and community development, it quickly has an effect. Hogan has proven it.

[Anonymous]

Baltimore doesn't deserve the funding, it's basically throwing money at dumpster fire. Oh and before someone slams me, I would say the same thing about all the small towns scattered throughout the US that are dying a slow death with no hope of recovery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am from Baltimore and I’m not entirely upset. The state and the Fed have poured billions into Baltimore over the last few decades with little to show for it but persistent problems that never get better. It really is not fair to the rest of the state to keep dumping money into Baltimore. The problems are much deeper than what money can solve. It’s throwing more money after bad.

I’m also astute enough to know that just about all the redevelopment money that is pouring into Baltimore is private money. And that money is making a difference. The key safe parts of the city have grown and gotten better and more desirable. The state didn’t have a role in that.

I will be supporting Hogan because his responsibilities are to the entire state, not just Baltimore. And he’s done a good job from that perspective.

Let’s be frank. Even O’Malley didn’t do much for Baltimore once he became governor despite having been the mayor.

Is the more then ten percent of the state population that live in Baltimore or the fifty percent of the state that live in the greater Baltimore area not Hogan’s constituents? He has repeatedly screwed Baltimore kids by underfunding the Thornton requirememts and killed the red line which would have created 10,000 jobs in Baltimore and solved a long standing public transportation problem that makes it difficult for many city residents to get to to jobs. He then compounded the problem by dramatically cutting bus services to inner city neighborhoods,

It is ironic that the law and order governor has seen the Baltimore murder rate double during his time in office.

As long as Baltimore is in its current condition, it is going to repress business development throughout the state. No man lives in a bubble—as Baltimore goes, so goes the state.

The Baltimore suburbs have no love for the city. Spend some time in the burbs and you’ll soon realize that. Few voters in the suburbs will be voting based on what Hogan does or does not do for the city.

Baltimore City is still an economic center but it’s far less important than it was 50 years ago. Washington is the real economic machine for Maryland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am from Baltimore and I’m not entirely upset. The state and the Fed have poured billions into Baltimore over the last few decades with little to show for it but persistent problems that never get better. It really is not fair to the rest of the state to keep dumping money into Baltimore. The problems are much deeper than what money can solve. It’s throwing more money after bad.

I’m also astute enough to know that just about all the redevelopment money that is pouring into Baltimore is private money. And that money is making a difference. The key safe parts of the city have grown and gotten better and more desirable. The state didn’t have a role in that.

I will be supporting Hogan because his responsibilities are to the entire state, not just Baltimore. And he’s done a good job from that perspective.

Let’s be frank. Even O’Malley didn’t do much for Baltimore once he became governor despite having been the mayor.

Is the more then ten percent of the state population that live in Baltimore or the fifty percent of the state that live in the greater Baltimore area not Hogan’s constituents? He has repeatedly screwed Baltimore kids by underfunding the Thornton requirememts and killed the red line which would have created 10,000 jobs in Baltimore and solved a long standing public transportation problem that makes it difficult for many city residents to get to to jobs. He then compounded the problem by dramatically cutting bus services to inner city neighborhoods,

It is ironic that the law and order governor has seen the Baltimore murder rate double during his time in office.

As long as Baltimore is in its current condition, it is going to repress business development throughout the state. No man lives in a bubble—as Baltimore goes, so goes the state.

The Baltimore suburbs have no love for the city. Spend some time in the burbs and you’ll soon realize that. Few voters in the suburbs will be voting based on what Hogan does or does not do for the city.

Baltimore City is still an economic center but it’s far less important than it was 50 years ago. Washington is the real economic machine for Maryland.

I live in Baltimore County and work in Baltimore city, but thanks for incorrectly explaining the political dynamics of my community to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am from Baltimore and I’m not entirely upset. The state and the Fed have poured billions into Baltimore over the last few decades with little to show for it but persistent problems that never get better. It really is not fair to the rest of the state to keep dumping money into Baltimore. The problems are much deeper than what money can solve. It’s throwing more money after bad.

I’m also astute enough to know that just about all the redevelopment money that is pouring into Baltimore is private money. And that money is making a difference. The key safe parts of the city have grown and gotten better and more desirable. The state didn’t have a role in that.

I will be supporting Hogan because his responsibilities are to the entire state, not just Baltimore. And he’s done a good job from that perspective.

Let’s be frank. Even O’Malley didn’t do much for Baltimore once he became governor despite having been the mayor.

Is the more then ten percent of the state population that live in Baltimore or the fifty percent of the state that live in the greater Baltimore area not Hogan’s constituents? He has repeatedly screwed Baltimore kids by underfunding the Thornton requirememts and killed the red line which would have created 10,000 jobs in Baltimore and solved a long standing public transportation problem that makes it difficult for many city residents to get to to jobs. He then compounded the problem by dramatically cutting bus services to inner city neighborhoods,

It is ironic that the law and order governor has seen the Baltimore murder rate double during his time in office.

As long as Baltimore is in its current condition, it is going to repress business development throughout the state. No man lives in a bubble—as Baltimore goes, so goes the state.

The Baltimore suburbs have no love for the city. Spend some time in the burbs and you’ll soon realize that. Few voters in the suburbs will be voting based on what Hogan does or does not do for the city.

Baltimore City is still an economic center but it’s far less important than it was 50 years ago. Washington is the real economic machine for Maryland.

I live in Baltimore County and work in Baltimore city, but thanks for incorrectly explaining the political dynamics of my community to me.

pP isn’t wrong....the DC suburbs are far more economically important to the state than Baltimore.