Is anyone raising a teen diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are fools and let these doctors tell you anything...

I have always wondered about this "condition." One of the factors related to cause is environment. I bet this is often "overlooked" by many parents.

Environmental: Factors such as a dysfunctional family life, a family history of mental illnesses and/or substance abuse, and inconsistent discipline by parents may contribute to the development of behavior disorders.

Well, i can tell you my brother has ODD and has been to prison. My parents are still married, there is no history of mental illness, my parents were strict and very consistent, and the other 3 of us kids went onto college, get white collar jobs, have families and never even remotely had his outbursts or issues.he terrorized the family and early sent my parents to an early grave.

Doris Lessing wrote a book about a family like yours. I'm sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are fools and let these doctors tell you anything...

I have always wondered about this "condition." One of the factors related to cause is environment. I bet this is often "overlooked" by many parents.

Environmental: Factors such as a dysfunctional family life, a family history of mental illnesses and/or substance abuse, and inconsistent discipline by parents may contribute to the development of behavior disorders.

Poor parenting has always been blamed for many brain based illnesses when in is very likely that parents fall into inconsistent discipline and dysfunctional family life because their child is very difficult to manage.

You could pick the difficult child up and plop him into a family with so called excellent parenting skills, and suddenly those parents would be exhausted and show signs of dysfunctional parenting, in fact.

Now personally I'm a follower of the Collaborative Problem Solving Approach -- kids with challenging behavior will do well when they CAN do well, not when they are MOTIVATED to do well. Kids with challenging behavior have lagging skills in things like flexibility, ability to anticipate consequences, emotional self regulation etc. I think if you apply the principals of CPS with these challenging kids you can help them develop and improve them, and avoid a diagnosis of ODD in many cases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are fools and let these doctors tell you anything...

I have always wondered about this "condition." One of the factors related to cause is environment. I bet this is often "overlooked" by many parents.

Environmental: Factors such as a dysfunctional family life, a family history of mental illnesses and/or substance abuse, and inconsistent discipline by parents may contribute to the development of behavior disorders.

Poor parenting has always been blamed for many brain based illnesses when in is very likely that parents fall into inconsistent discipline and dysfunctional family life because their child is very difficult to manage.

You could pick the difficult child up and plop him into a family with so called excellent parenting skills, and suddenly those parents would be exhausted and show signs of dysfunctional parenting, in fact.

Now personally I'm a follower of the Collaborative Problem Solving Approach -- kids with challenging behavior will do well when they CAN do well, not when they are MOTIVATED to do well. Kids with challenging behavior have lagging skills in things like flexibility, ability to anticipate consequences, emotional self regulation etc. I think if you apply the principals of CPS with these challenging kids you can help them develop and improve them, and avoid a diagnosis of ODD in many cases.

Baloney. ODD definitely is NOT a "brain based illness" (whatever that idiocy means) because it is not biologic in nature. Where did you come up with that hooey? And if the parenting is so bad such that the child is diagnosed with ODD, how do you suppose that suddenly they will be good enough to master your espoused approach? It doesn't work that way. The child made his or her way into an ODD diagnosis because of environmental factors such as poor parenting. ODD is not a biologic condition, it is behavioral, and behavior is shaped by parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Baloney. ODD definitely is NOT a "brain based illness" (whatever that idiocy means) because it is not biologic in nature. Where did you come up with that hooey? And if the parenting is so bad such that the child is diagnosed with ODD, how do you suppose that suddenly they will be good enough to master your espoused approach? It doesn't work that way. The child made his or her way into an ODD diagnosis because of environmental factors such as poor parenting. ODD is not a biologic condition, it is behavioral, and behavior is shaped by parents.

OP: Help!
You: It's your own fault.

Doesn't seem helpful to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are fools and let these doctors tell you anything...

I have always wondered about this "condition." One of the factors related to cause is environment. I bet this is often "overlooked" by many parents.

Environmental: Factors such as a dysfunctional family life, a family history of mental illnesses and/or substance abuse, and inconsistent discipline by parents may contribute to the development of behavior disorders.

Poor parenting has always been blamed for many brain based illnesses when in is very likely that parents fall into inconsistent discipline and dysfunctional family life because their child is very difficult to manage.

You could pick the difficult child up and plop him into a family with so called excellent parenting skills, and suddenly those parents would be exhausted and show signs of dysfunctional parenting, in fact.

Now personally I'm a follower of the Collaborative Problem Solving Approach -- kids with challenging behavior will do well when they CAN do well, not when they are MOTIVATED to do well. Kids with challenging behavior have lagging skills in things like flexibility, ability to anticipate consequences, emotional self regulation etc. I think if you apply the principals of CPS with these challenging kids you can help them develop and improve them, and avoid a diagnosis of ODD in many cases.

Baloney. ODD definitely is NOT a "brain based illness" (whatever that idiocy means) because it is not biologic in nature. Where did you come up with that hooey? And if the parenting is so bad such that the child is diagnosed with ODD, how do you suppose that suddenly they will be good enough to master your espoused approach? It doesn't work that way. The child made his or her way into an ODD diagnosis because of environmental factors such as poor parenting. ODD is not a biologic condition, it is behavioral, and behavior is shaped by parents.

The professional consensus is that ODD describes a constellation of behaviors caused by an underlying condition. ODD doesn't exist in a vacuum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are fools and let these doctors tell you anything...

I have always wondered about this "condition." One of the factors related to cause is environment. I bet this is often "overlooked" by many parents.

Environmental: Factors such as a dysfunctional family life, a family history of mental illnesses and/or substance abuse, and inconsistent discipline by parents may contribute to the development of behavior disorders.

Poor parenting has always been blamed for many brain based illnesses when in is very likely that parents fall into inconsistent discipline and dysfunctional family life because their child is very difficult to manage.

You could pick the difficult child up and plop him into a family with so called excellent parenting skills, and suddenly those parents would be exhausted and show signs of dysfunctional parenting, in fact.

Now personally I'm a follower of the Collaborative Problem Solving Approach -- kids with challenging behavior will do well when they CAN do well, not when they are MOTIVATED to do well. Kids with challenging behavior have lagging skills in things like flexibility, ability to anticipate consequences, emotional self regulation etc. I think if you apply the principals of CPS with these challenging kids you can help them develop and improve them, and avoid a diagnosis of ODD in many cases.

Baloney. ODD definitely is NOT a "brain based illness" (whatever that idiocy means) because it is not biologic in nature. Where did you come up with that hooey? And if the parenting is so bad such that the child is diagnosed with ODD, how do you suppose that suddenly they will be good enough to master your espoused approach? It doesn't work that way. The child made his or her way into an ODD diagnosis because of environmental factors such as poor parenting. ODD is not a biologic condition, it is behavioral, and behavior is shaped by parents.

Are you trolloing? If you are correct, how do you explain away families like pp's with several successfully patented children?

[Anonymous]

It's an interesting topic. I read an article once about a study where they assigned "good" parents to work with "bad" kids on a project and in just a few hours the "good" parents regressed to "bad" parenting.

[Anonymous]

PPs who think ODD is the result of bad parenting have no clue what they're talking about. I bet they think these kids just need a good spanking. Morons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PPs who think ODD is the result of bad parenting have no clue what they're talking about. I bet they think these kids just need a good spanking. Morons.

No, but the parents clearly need parenting classes. The ODD did not rise up in a vacuum. It represents a culmination of conditions that facilitated its development and one MAJOR condition is inconsistent parenting and poor disciplining.

In furtherance of consideration of poor choices, note the context of this discussion. OP has received a diagnosis of ODD for the child. Instead of pursuing discussions with the diagnostician or trained and licensed therapists, OP has turned to this anonymous forum and is asking for help. Hhhhmm. Interesting approach. And OP wonders how it all got this way. Gee, good question.

As someone who DOES work with high risk kids who have received diagnoses of ODD my recommendation is to immediately begin working with licensed therapists, individual and family, and then to do what those therapists suggest during sessions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's an interesting topic. I read an article once about a study where they assigned "good" parents to work with "bad" kids on a project and in just a few hours the "good" parents regressed to "bad" parenting.

Good try. Link, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PPs who think ODD is the result of bad parenting have no clue what they're talking about. I bet they think these kids just need a good spanking. Morons.

No, but the parents clearly need parenting classes. The ODD did not rise up in a vacuum. It represents a culmination of conditions that facilitated its development and one MAJOR condition is inconsistent parenting and poor disciplining.

In furtherance of consideration of poor choices, note the context of this discussion. OP has received a diagnosis of ODD for the child. Instead of pursuing discussions with the diagnostician or trained and licensed therapists, OP has turned to this anonymous forum and is asking for help. Hhhhmm. Interesting approach. And OP wonders how it all got this way. Gee, good question.

As someone who DOES work with high risk kids who have received diagnoses of ODD my recommendation is to immediately begin working with licensed therapists, individual and family, and then to do what those therapists suggest during sessions.

I'd be willing to bet that you are a "therapist" looking to help these families empty their wallets by offering them parenting classes. ODD can be exacerbated by bad parenting, of course, but it is absolutely NOT caused by it. It's genetic. Some kids get it and some don't within the same family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PPs who think ODD is the result of bad parenting have no clue what they're talking about. I bet they think these kids just need a good spanking. Morons.

No, but the parents clearly need parenting classes. The ODD did not rise up in a vacuum. It represents a culmination of conditions that facilitated its development and one MAJOR condition is inconsistent parenting and poor disciplining.

In furtherance of consideration of poor choices, note the context of this discussion. OP has received a diagnosis of ODD for the child. Instead of pursuing discussions with the diagnostician or trained and licensed therapists, OP has turned to this anonymous forum and is asking for help. Hhhhmm. Interesting approach. And OP wonders how it all got this way. Gee, good question.

As someone who DOES work with high risk kids who have received diagnoses of ODD my recommendation is to immediately begin working with licensed therapists, individual and family, and then to do what those therapists suggest during sessions.

I'd be willing to bet that you are a "therapist" looking to help these families empty their wallets by offering them parenting classes. ODD can be exacerbated by bad parenting, of course, but it is absolutely NOT caused by it. It's genetic. Some kids get it and some don't within the same family.

Really? It is genetic? This I gotta see. Link, please!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are fools and let these doctors tell you anything...

I have always wondered about this "condition." One of the factors related to cause is environment. I bet this is often "overlooked" by many parents.

Environmental: Factors such as a dysfunctional family life, a family history of mental illnesses and/or substance abuse, and inconsistent discipline by parents may contribute to the development of behavior disorders.

Well, i can tell you my brother has ODD and has been to prison. My parents are still married, there is no history of mental illness, my parents were strict and very consistent, and the other 3 of us kids went onto college, get white collar jobs, have families and never even remotely had his outbursts or issues.he terrorized the family and early sent my parents to an early grave.

Your parents are alive and still married OR they are dead early. Which one?

*nearly* sent my parents to an early grave. Typo.

They are alive and this year will be celebrating their 47th wedding anniversary.

I'm not a doctor, but from my view, my brother was born this way. My parents had the patience of saints. Despite all that my brother put them through, they drove 4 hours to prison every single weekend. They have been the model of unconditional love, I just think he was born broken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PPs who think ODD is the result of bad parenting have no clue what they're talking about. I bet they think these kids just need a good spanking. Morons.

No, but the parents clearly need parenting classes. The ODD did not rise up in a vacuum. It represents a culmination of conditions that facilitated its development and one MAJOR condition is inconsistent parenting and poor disciplining.

In furtherance of consideration of poor choices, note the context of this discussion. OP has received a diagnosis of ODD for the child. Instead of pursuing discussions with the diagnostician or trained and licensed therapists, OP has turned to this anonymous forum and is asking for help. Hhhhmm. Interesting approach. And OP wonders how it all got this way. Gee, good question.

As someone who DOES work with high risk kids who have received diagnoses of ODD my recommendation is to immediately begin working with licensed therapists, individual and family, and then to do what those therapists suggest during sessions.

I'd be willing to bet that you are a "therapist" looking to help these families empty their wallets by offering them parenting classes. ODD can be exacerbated by bad parenting, of course, but it is absolutely NOT caused by it. It's genetic. Some kids get it and some don't within the same family.

I don't know how to say this other than very bluntly. You are wrong. ODD is not genetic and to say it is really demonstrates that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's an interesting topic. I read an article once about a study where they assigned "good" parents to work with "bad" kids on a project and in just a few hours the "good" parents regressed to "bad" parenting.

Good try. Link, please.

This exists because I read about it, too. Have no idea how to find it online though.