Cloverly Elementary teacher charged with sexual offenses

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?



A thorough one where people are actually interviewed. You know like, "have you ever noticed him putting himself into a position where he is surrounded by young girls". Or have heard any rumors about him and developing relationships with young girls"? If the police and fire department can conduct such investigations why can't the schools?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?



A thorough one where people are actually interviewed. You know like, "have you ever noticed him putting himself into a position where he is surrounded by young girls". Or have heard any rumors about him and developing relationships with young girls"? If the police and fire department can conduct such investigations why can't the schools?


Right, because statistically it's so frequent for women and girls to lie about being sexually abused, especially in such explicit terms from a third grader.

Seriously, have you lost your f'in mind?

My 3rd grader; I can tell you it would never even occur to her, what happened to these girls. She wouldn't even have the context to be able to make it up. We're talking about 8/9 year old girls.

Predators are frequently bigtime charmers who make everyone love them, so no one could possibly! believe! they could do such a thing, even though statistically it's much more likely that they did that thing then it is that 2 unrelated 9 year old girls made up what was in that news article. And here you are, proving why guys like this get away with it for so long. "Favorite!" Ugh. I need to go throw up now.

For those of you male educators out there who love kids and would never harm them; don't spend time alone in your classroom with children. This should really be BASIC common sense. Seriously. Sorry you have the sad effect of dealing with the bad reputation scum like this leaves, but women and children are the ones who deal with the abuse, so I guess we all deal with something.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?



A thorough one where people are actually interviewed. You know like, "have you ever noticed him putting himself into a position where he is surrounded by young girls". Or have heard any rumors about him and developing relationships with young girls"? If the police and fire department can conduct such investigations why can't the schools?


So basically your idea here is that he would have abused children in front of adults, because he is not smart enough to have avoided that situation, huh?
Did you think for a long time about that?
Anonymous
I think most male teachers usually just high-five or fist-bump with their students. I agree that unscrupulous teachers can and do abuse children, just like horrible nasty children can make false allegations against teachers.

A very amazing and mild teacher in our school was accused of touching a girl. After a thorough investigation it was found that she was lying. She claimed that the abuse happened in the classroom, but this teacher was a bit standoffish and never touched anyone. Other students told the investigator that the girl was lying and later the girl confessed that she wanted to get him in trouble because she was getting bad grades in his classroom. End result? The teacher could not continue in the school with that cloud hanging over him and eventually moved to another school.

All teachers need to make sure that they are not hugging the children or are alone with children. Do not trust two or more girls coming to you as a group. Make sure another staff person is with you to backup your story so meet with them in the staff lounge or even the school library. Finally, as parents make sure you tell your children that only high-fives and fist-bumps are acceptable and that the children should always go in a group to meet a teacher and if their friends have a crush on a teacher they should avoid the friend. Teach them not to backup their friend's story if they make up any untruth.
Anonymous
Interesting that someone bumped this not long after the conviction. https://patch.com/maryland/silverspring/former-silver-spring-elementary-teacher-convicted-sex-abuse-charges

I'm wondering if the PP who said "I heard the accuser's family is crazy" would like to come back and apologize now that more victims have come forward and the guy was convicted.
Anonymous
Former male elementary teacher here. I always stuck with the high-fives and avoided letting kids hug me at all costs. Obviously, it happened here and there if they were upset about something and crying. After all, I couldn't throw them off me if they were a mess but I definitely avoided it at all costs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?


none honestly

If you have a "clean" record when you are going through a background check, you obviously have nothing in your history that's alarming. That isn't to say that you're absolutely clean. You could have committed perverted acts w/o being caught.

Pervs are all over the place. Sadly, when they're in schools, they have access to children - but so do coaches and people in the clergy and daycare providers and . . . You get the picture.

You simply have to try to equip your children with the skills to recognize sick behavior and the strength to tell someone immediately. Yes, very young children are most vulnerable, and that's when it's up to the organization to ensure that no one is left alone with a child. Ideally, having two educators in a room would be a start. But with all the complaints about PS costs, this would never fly.

This guy was given the opportunity to be alone with kids. That's the issue. I tell my children that if they are alone with a teacher (and I'm one myself, folks) they need to sit by a door, and the door should be open. If they sense something is odd with the behavior, they should not be afraid to leave and they should always tell another adult asap - as well as us.

I don't want to alarm my children - or make them live in fear - but predators are groomers. Once they gain your trust (and who better to gain trust than a teacher who's with children all day), they make bolder moves.

As parents, it's our responsibility to talk to our children at every stage of the game. This doesn't stop in high school, folks. Attention from a favorite teacher is flattering (and of course, sick).

What also worries me is that he worked with special needs children at Paint Branch through their bocce club. talk about a vulnerable population

He's a sick fuck, but he's not the only one unfortunately.



You are sadly mistaken and sound like you come from the office that does the failed "background checks". A real background check would involve interviewing coworkers, former employers, aquaintences, and even parents. Somewhere along the way someone would have noticed something amiss and his attraction to children. MCPS's version of a background check is to show up at one of the many fingerprinting centers in the county, get printed, having the prints submitted to a nationwide database, and then being declared in the clear because you've never been caught before.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?


none honestly

If you have a "clean" record when you are going through a background check, you obviously have nothing in your history that's alarming. That isn't to say that you're absolutely clean. You could have committed perverted acts w/o being caught.

Pervs are all over the place. Sadly, when they're in schools, they have access to children - but so do coaches and people in the clergy and daycare providers and . . . You get the picture.

You simply have to try to equip your children with the skills to recognize sick behavior and the strength to tell someone immediately. Yes, very young children are most vulnerable, and that's when it's up to the organization to ensure that no one is left alone with a child. Ideally, having two educators in a room would be a start. But with all the complaints about PS costs, this would never fly.

This guy was given the opportunity to be alone with kids. That's the issue. I tell my children that if they are alone with a teacher (and I'm one myself, folks) they need to sit by a door, and the door should be open. If they sense something is odd with the behavior, they should not be afraid to leave and they should always tell another adult asap - as well as us.

I don't want to alarm my children - or make them live in fear - but predators are groomers. Once they gain your trust (and who better to gain trust than a teacher who's with children all day), they make bolder moves.

As parents, it's our responsibility to talk to our children at every stage of the game. This doesn't stop in high school, folks. Attention from a favorite teacher is flattering (and of course, sick).

What also worries me is that he worked with special needs children at Paint Branch through their bocce club. talk about a vulnerable population

He's a sick fuck, but he's not the only one unfortunately.



You are sadly mistaken and sound like you come from the office that does the failed "background checks". A real background check would involve interviewing coworkers, former employers, aquaintences, and even parents. Somewhere along the way someone would have noticed something amiss and his attraction to children. MCPS's version of a background check is to show up at one of the many fingerprinting centers in the county, get printed, having the prints submitted to a nationwide database, and then being declared in the clear because you've never been caught before.



MCPS knew. Parents coalition covered the trial. http://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2017/06/in-2013-mcps-coo-larry-bowers-defied.html
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?


none honestly

If you have a "clean" record when you are going through a background check, you obviously have nothing in your history that's alarming. That isn't to say that you're absolutely clean. You could have committed perverted acts w/o being caught.

Pervs are all over the place. Sadly, when they're in schools, they have access to children - but so do coaches and people in the clergy and daycare providers and . . . You get the picture.

You simply have to try to equip your children with the skills to recognize sick behavior and the strength to tell someone immediately. Yes, very young children are most vulnerable, and that's when it's up to the organization to ensure that no one is left alone with a child. Ideally, having two educators in a room would be a start. But with all the complaints about PS costs, this would never fly.

This guy was given the opportunity to be alone with kids. That's the issue. I tell my children that if they are alone with a teacher (and I'm one myself, folks) they need to sit by a door, and the door should be open. If they sense something is odd with the behavior, they should not be afraid to leave and they should always tell another adult asap - as well as us.

I don't want to alarm my children - or make them live in fear - but predators are groomers. Once they gain your trust (and who better to gain trust than a teacher who's with children all day), they make bolder moves.

As parents, it's our responsibility to talk to our children at every stage of the game. This doesn't stop in high school, folks. Attention from a favorite teacher is flattering (and of course, sick).

What also worries me is that he worked with special needs children at Paint Branch through their bocce club. talk about a vulnerable population

He's a sick fuck, but he's not the only one unfortunately.



You are sadly mistaken and sound like you come from the office that does the failed "background checks". A real background check would involve interviewing coworkers, former employers, aquaintences, and even parents. Somewhere along the way someone would have noticed something amiss and his attraction to children. MCPS's version of a background check is to show up at one of the many fingerprinting centers in the county, get printed, having the prints submitted to a nationwide database, and then being declared in the clear because you've never been caught before.



MCPS knew. Parents coalition covered the trial. http://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2017/06/in-2013-mcps-coo-larry-bowers-defied.html


Anyone know if he got jail time?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?


none honestly

If you have a "clean" record when you are going through a background check, you obviously have nothing in your history that's alarming. That isn't to say that you're absolutely clean. You could have committed perverted acts w/o being caught.

Pervs are all over the place. Sadly, when they're in schools, they have access to children - but so do coaches and people in the clergy and daycare providers and . . . You get the picture.

You simply have to try to equip your children with the skills to recognize sick behavior and the strength to tell someone immediately. Yes, very young children are most vulnerable, and that's when it's up to the organization to ensure that no one is left alone with a child. Ideally, having two educators in a room would be a start. But with all the complaints about PS costs, this would never fly.

This guy was given the opportunity to be alone with kids. That's the issue. I tell my children that if they are alone with a teacher (and I'm one myself, folks) they need to sit by a door, and the door should be open. If they sense something is odd with the behavior, they should not be afraid to leave and they should always tell another adult asap - as well as us.

I don't want to alarm my children - or make them live in fear - but predators are groomers. Once they gain your trust (and who better to gain trust than a teacher who's with children all day), they make bolder moves.

As parents, it's our responsibility to talk to our children at every stage of the game. This doesn't stop in high school, folks. Attention from a favorite teacher is flattering (and of course, sick).

What also worries me is that he worked with special needs children at Paint Branch through their bocce club. talk about a vulnerable population

He's a sick fuck, but he's not the only one unfortunately.



You are sadly mistaken and sound like you come from the office that does the failed "background checks". A real background check would involve interviewing coworkers, former employers, aquaintences, and even parents. Somewhere along the way someone would have noticed something amiss and his attraction to children. MCPS's version of a background check is to show up at one of the many fingerprinting centers in the county, get printed, having the prints submitted to a nationwide database, and then being declared in the clear because you've never been caught before.



MCPS knew. Parents coalition covered the trial. http://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2017/06/in-2013-mcps-coo-larry-bowers-defied.html


Thank you for posting.

Makes me really cynical towards MCPS having our kids' best interest and safety at heart.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?


none honestly

If you have a "clean" record when you are going through a background check, you obviously have nothing in your history that's alarming. That isn't to say that you're absolutely clean. You could have committed perverted acts w/o being caught.

Pervs are all over the place. Sadly, when they're in schools, they have access to children - but so do coaches and people in the clergy and daycare providers and . . . You get the picture.

You simply have to try to equip your children with the skills to recognize sick behavior and the strength to tell someone immediately. Yes, very young children are most vulnerable, and that's when it's up to the organization to ensure that no one is left alone with a child. Ideally, having two educators in a room would be a start. But with all the complaints about PS costs, this would never fly.

This guy was given the opportunity to be alone with kids. That's the issue. I tell my children that if they are alone with a teacher (and I'm one myself, folks) they need to sit by a door, and the door should be open. If they sense something is odd with the behavior, they should not be afraid to leave and they should always tell another adult asap - as well as us.

I don't want to alarm my children - or make them live in fear - but predators are groomers. Once they gain your trust (and who better to gain trust than a teacher who's with children all day), they make bolder moves.

As parents, it's our responsibility to talk to our children at every stage of the game. This doesn't stop in high school, folks. Attention from a favorite teacher is flattering (and of course, sick).

What also worries me is that he worked with special needs children at Paint Branch through their bocce club. talk about a vulnerable population

He's a sick fuck, but he's not the only one unfortunately.



You are sadly mistaken and sound like you come from the office that does the failed "background checks". A real background check would involve interviewing coworkers, former employers, aquaintences, and even parents. Somewhere along the way someone would have noticed something amiss and his attraction to children. MCPS's version of a background check is to show up at one of the many fingerprinting centers in the county, get printed, having the prints submitted to a nationwide database, and then being declared in the clear because you've never been caught before.


This is your response? ignorant poster

sorry -But as a teacher, I will indeed equip them with the skills to examine their environment and their relationships with adults.

I'm not defending MCPS; I'm simply saying that GOOD parents do indeed talk to their children. I don't care where my kids go - school, camp. the home of a new friend. We talk about situations, and they know what's appropriate and what's not.

Blame the county all you want. I'm not saying that this big bureaucracy is working FOR our kids. But as a parent, I am. So you can point the finger all you want at other factors and people. But if parents don't talk to their kids about the ugly side of some people, the parents can also be part of the problem.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?


none honestly

If you have a "clean" record when you are going through a background check, you obviously have nothing in your history that's alarming. That isn't to say that you're absolutely clean. You could have committed perverted acts w/o being caught.

Pervs are all over the place. Sadly, when they're in schools, they have access to children - but so do coaches and people in the clergy and daycare providers and . . . You get the picture.

You simply have to try to equip your children with the skills to recognize sick behavior and the strength to tell someone immediately. Yes, very young children are most vulnerable, and that's when it's up to the organization to ensure that no one is left alone with a child. Ideally, having two educators in a room would be a start. But with all the complaints about PS costs, this would never fly.

This guy was given the opportunity to be alone with kids. That's the issue. I tell my children that if they are alone with a teacher (and I'm one myself, folks) they need to sit by a door, and the door should be open. If they sense something is odd with the behavior, they should not be afraid to leave and they should always tell another adult asap - as well as us.

I don't want to alarm my children - or make them live in fear - but predators are groomers. Once they gain your trust (and who better to gain trust than a teacher who's with children all day), they make bolder moves.

As parents, it's our responsibility to talk to our children at every stage of the game. This doesn't stop in high school, folks. Attention from a favorite teacher is flattering (and of course, sick).

What also worries me is that he worked with special needs children at Paint Branch through their bocce club. talk about a vulnerable population

He's a sick fuck, but he's not the only one unfortunately.



You are sadly mistaken and sound like you come from the office that does the failed "background checks". A real background check would involve interviewing coworkers, former employers, aquaintences, and even parents. Somewhere along the way someone would have noticed something amiss and his attraction to children. MCPS's version of a background check is to show up at one of the many fingerprinting centers in the county, get printed, having the prints submitted to a nationwide database, and then being declared in the clear because you've never been caught before.


This is your response? ignorant poster

sorry -But as a teacher, I will indeed equip them with the skills to examine their environment and their relationships with adults.

I'm not defending MCPS; I'm simply saying that GOOD parents do indeed talk to their children. I don't care where my kids go - school, camp. the home of a new friend. We talk about situations, and they know what's appropriate and what's not.

Blame the county all you want. I'm not saying that this big bureaucracy is working FOR our kids. But as a parent, I am. So you can point the finger all you want at other factors and people. But if parents don't talk to their kids about the ugly side of some people, the parents can also be part of the problem.



You aren't a teacher. A teacher would know that good pedophiles groom the adults first. They gain the trust of their co-workers, their administrators and then they are free to victimize the children. What was the ugly side of Vigna? He was a beloved teacher and co-worker. Dozens of adults let him stay in the classroom and victimize decades of children because he had groomed them into believing that he was a good teacher. What's your plan for educating yourself about the danger of good teachers?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?


none honestly

If you have a "clean" record when you are going through a background check, you obviously have nothing in your history that's alarming. That isn't to say that you're absolutely clean. You could have committed perverted acts w/o being caught.

Pervs are all over the place. Sadly, when they're in schools, they have access to children - but so do coaches and people in the clergy and daycare providers and . . . You get the picture.

You simply have to try to equip your children with the skills to recognize sick behavior and the strength to tell someone immediately. Yes, very young children are most vulnerable, and that's when it's up to the organization to ensure that no one is left alone with a child. Ideally, having two educators in a room would be a start. But with all the complaints about PS costs, this would never fly.

This guy was given the opportunity to be alone with kids. That's the issue. I tell my children that if they are alone with a teacher (and I'm one myself, folks) they need to sit by a door, and the door should be open. If they sense something is odd with the behavior, they should not be afraid to leave and they should always tell another adult asap - as well as us.

I don't want to alarm my children - or make them live in fear - but predators are groomers. Once they gain your trust (and who better to gain trust than a teacher who's with children all day), they make bolder moves.

As parents, it's our responsibility to talk to our children at every stage of the game. This doesn't stop in high school, folks. Attention from a favorite teacher is flattering (and of course, sick).

What also worries me is that he worked with special needs children at Paint Branch through their bocce club. talk about a vulnerable population

He's a sick fuck, but he's not the only one unfortunately.



You are sadly mistaken and sound like you come from the office that does the failed "background checks". A real background check would involve interviewing coworkers, former employers, aquaintences, and even parents. Somewhere along the way someone would have noticed something amiss and his attraction to children. MCPS's version of a background check is to show up at one of the many fingerprinting centers in the county, get printed, having the prints submitted to a nationwide database, and then being declared in the clear because you've never been caught before.



MCPS knew. Parents coalition covered the trial. http://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2017/06/in-2013-mcps-coo-larry-bowers-defied.html


Thank you for posting.

Makes me really cynical towards MCPS having our kids' best interest and safety at heart.



+1,000
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?


none honestly

If you have a "clean" record when you are going through a background check, you obviously have nothing in your history that's alarming. That isn't to say that you're absolutely clean. You could have committed perverted acts w/o being caught.

Pervs are all over the place. Sadly, when they're in schools, they have access to children - but so do coaches and people in the clergy and daycare providers and . . . You get the picture.

You simply have to try to equip your children with the skills to recognize sick behavior and the strength to tell someone immediately. Yes, very young children are most vulnerable, and that's when it's up to the organization to ensure that no one is left alone with a child. Ideally, having two educators in a room would be a start. But with all the complaints about PS costs, this would never fly.

This guy was given the opportunity to be alone with kids. That's the issue. I tell my children that if they are alone with a teacher (and I'm one myself, folks) they need to sit by a door, and the door should be open. If they sense something is odd with the behavior, they should not be afraid to leave and they should always tell another adult asap - as well as us.

I don't want to alarm my children - or make them live in fear - but predators are groomers. Once they gain your trust (and who better to gain trust than a teacher who's with children all day), they make bolder moves.

As parents, it's our responsibility to talk to our children at every stage of the game. This doesn't stop in high school, folks. Attention from a favorite teacher is flattering (and of course, sick).

What also worries me is that he worked with special needs children at Paint Branch through their bocce club. talk about a vulnerable population

He's a sick fuck, but he's not the only one unfortunately.



You are sadly mistaken and sound like you come from the office that does the failed "background checks". A real background check would involve interviewing coworkers, former employers, aquaintences, and even parents. Somewhere along the way someone would have noticed something amiss and his attraction to children. MCPS's version of a background check is to show up at one of the many fingerprinting centers in the county, get printed, having the prints submitted to a nationwide database, and then being declared in the clear because you've never been caught before.


This is your response? ignorant poster

sorry -But as a teacher, I will indeed equip them with the skills to examine their environment and their relationships with adults.

I'm not defending MCPS; I'm simply saying that GOOD parents do indeed talk to their children. I don't care where my kids go - school, camp. the home of a new friend. We talk about situations, and they know what's appropriate and what's not.

Blame the county all you want. I'm not saying that this big bureaucracy is working FOR our kids. But as a parent, I am. So you can point the finger all you want at other factors and people. But if parents don't talk to their kids about the ugly side of some people, the parents can also be part of the problem.



Your post is pretty disgusting. Sounds like you are blaming the parents here. Damn.

Something like this absolutely could have happened to me. I had incredibly uninvolved parents and am the child of immigrants. They were busy working and were not comfortable at all discussing these issues. Obviously I am trying to do better by my kids, but to say that if the parents are talking with the kids this type of abuse would not happen? No way. It is absolutely the job of MCPS to keep our kids safe.

I come from a country where girls are often scared to go to school because it can be dangerous. That is NOT how it should be in America.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is what happens when MCPS's half-assed background investigation is a fingerprint check.


What background investigation would have turned this up?


none honestly

If you have a "clean" record when you are going through a background check, you obviously have nothing in your history that's alarming. That isn't to say that you're absolutely clean. You could have committed perverted acts w/o being caught.

Pervs are all over the place. Sadly, when they're in schools, they have access to children - but so do coaches and people in the clergy and daycare providers and . . . You get the picture.

You simply have to try to equip your children with the skills to recognize sick behavior and the strength to tell someone immediately. Yes, very young children are most vulnerable, and that's when it's up to the organization to ensure that no one is left alone with a child. Ideally, having two educators in a room would be a start. But with all the complaints about PS costs, this would never fly.

This guy was given the opportunity to be alone with kids. That's the issue. I tell my children that if they are alone with a teacher (and I'm one myself, folks) they need to sit by a door, and the door should be open. If they sense something is odd with the behavior, they should not be afraid to leave and they should always tell another adult asap - as well as us.

I don't want to alarm my children - or make them live in fear - but predators are groomers. Once they gain your trust (and who better to gain trust than a teacher who's with children all day), they make bolder moves.

As parents, it's our responsibility to talk to our children at every stage of the game. This doesn't stop in high school, folks. Attention from a favorite teacher is flattering (and of course, sick).

What also worries me is that he worked with special needs children at Paint Branch through their bocce club. talk about a vulnerable population

He's a sick fuck, but he's not the only one unfortunately.



You are sadly mistaken and sound like you come from the office that does the failed "background checks". A real background check would involve interviewing coworkers, former employers, aquaintences, and even parents. Somewhere along the way someone would have noticed something amiss and his attraction to children. MCPS's version of a background check is to show up at one of the many fingerprinting centers in the county, get printed, having the prints submitted to a nationwide database, and then being declared in the clear because you've never been caught before.



MCPS knew. Parents coalition covered the trial. http://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2017/06/in-2013-mcps-coo-larry-bowers-defied.html


Anyone know if he got jail time?


Sentencing is Friday.
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