Mass Shootings in US and Religion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about looking up bombings, plane hijackings and beheadings in the past 20 years around the globe and see what those statistics tell you?

Apples and oranges. The majority of Christian or Jewish violence also occurs outside the US, but we don't use those statistics to denounce American Christians or American Jews, do we?

The point is that there are a lot more radical religious people and entities outside the US. INS is very good at keeping out the majority of those religious fanatics that would do harm. Here in the territorial US, we are far more in danger of terrorism based on other factors than religion. I agree that we need to find ways to discourage violence and domestic terrorism, but banning a huge portion of our immigrants simply based on race, is not warranted from the data, only from bigoted gut instincts that "they" are not like "us".

The numbers do not tell us what your bigoted gut instinct tells us.

[Anonymous]

The number one fear in america is islamic terror

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as Orlando mass shooting hit news circuit Donald Trump renewed his call to ban Muslim immigration. I know in my gut that it is wrong to target a religion for a hate crime, however just to clarify my understanding I went looking for data...

Found this article: The Math of Mass Shootings

Before blaming a religion understand that 7 out of the 129 (I counted based on names) seems to be Muslim. That is 0.05%. What about the religion of the rest? Should we blame the religions? Should we ban immigration from all countries where the shooters' heritage lie?

This article presents a lot of facts. Read and draw your own conclusions.

Why do we tend to respond to Hitler like rhetoric from Trump/(other hate mongers) when the blame is not directed to our own religion or ethnicity? When would we wake up?

7/129 is .05, or 5%. Big difference between that and .05% (which is closer to 0 than 5%).

That still means 95 percent aren't committed by Muslims. Imagine if Sandy Hook had been committed by a Muslim. But, because the perpetrator was Christian, religion didn't come into play. I really don't think we should demonize all Muslims because of this. We can still talk about the factions within the religion that are promoting violence without condemning the entire religion. Because we are a Christian country, for the most part, we are able to not judge all Christians when anti abortion activist go on a rampage and kill people because of their misplaced belief that their Christian faith requires them to do this to protect the inborn child. I can guarantee you that the majority of Muslims hate ISIS as much as we do. The largest number of people killed and abused by ISIS are Muslim civilians. They suffer everyday, just as the victims and families in Orlando are suffering. Let's not condemn them because of the very vocal extremists who happen to share their religion and have hijacked it to justify committing atrocities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The number one fear in america is islamic terror

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nearly 100% of mass shooters are men. Banning men from the U.S. (whether born here or not) seems like the best way to stop the killing.

LOL! This would mean we would boot out Trump so I am in favor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nearly 100% of mass shooters are men. Banning men from the U.S. (whether born here or not) seems like the best way to stop the killing.

Smart but the men WHO BLUSTER will come back and say that you are wrong and show there was one mass murder committed by a woman who was about to be gang-raped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about looking up bombings, plane hijackings and beheadings in the past 20 years around the globe and see what those statistics tell you?

Apples and oranges. The majority of Christian or Jewish violence also occurs outside the US, but we don't use those statistics to denounce American Christians or American Jews, do we?

The point is that there are a lot more radical religious people and entities outside the US. INS is very good at keeping out the majority of those religious fanatics that would do harm. Here in the territorial US, we are far more in danger of terrorism based on other factors than religion. I agree that we need to find ways to discourage violence and domestic terrorism, but banning a huge portion of our immigrants simply based on race, is not warranted from the data, only from bigoted gut instincts that "they" are not like "us".

The numbers do not tell us what your bigoted gut instinct tells us.

I am glad to hear saner voices prevail in this country. Maybe we wont be doomed by bluster after all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As soon as Orlando mass shooting hit news circuit Donald Trump renewed his call to ban Muslim immigration. I know in my gut that it is wrong to target a religion for a hate crime, however just to clarify my understanding I went looking for data...

Found this article: The Math of Mass Shootings

Before blaming a religion understand that 7 out of the 129 (I counted based on names) seems to be Muslim. That is 0.05%. What about the religion of the rest? Should we blame the religions? Should we ban immigration from all countries where the shooters' heritage lie?

This article presents a lot of facts. Read and draw your own conclusions.

Why do we tend to respond to Hitler like rhetoric from Trump/(other hate mongers) when the blame is not directed to our own religion or ethnicity? When would we wake up?

Because most people are simple and they are looking for simple solutions. I'm sorry, but now that I'm starting to see Trump bumper stickers everywhere where I live, I just have a generally low opinion regarding the average intelligence of humans. Every time I see those stickers one word pops into my head: STUPID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The number one fear in america is islamic terror

The number one threat in America is bluster from any un-intelligent person who says stuff BUT cant back it up factually or logically with a good amount of reading comprehension, analytical reasoning and understanding of the history/evolution of this country as an open and free society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number one fear in america is islamic terror

The number one threat in America is bluster from any un-intelligent person who says stuff BUT cant back it up factually or logically with a good amount of reading comprehension, analytical reasoning and understanding of the history/evolution of this country as an open and free society.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as Orlando mass shooting hit news circuit Donald Trump renewed his call to ban Muslim immigration. I know in my gut that it is wrong to target a religion for a hate crime, however just to clarify my understanding I went looking for data...

Found this article: The Math of Mass Shootings

Before blaming a religion understand that 7 out of the 129 (I counted based on names) seems to be Muslim. That is 0.05%. What about the religion of the rest? Should we blame the religions? Should we ban immigration from all countries where the shooters' heritage lie?

This article presents a lot of facts. Read and draw your own conclusions.

Why do we tend to respond to Hitler like rhetoric from Trump/(other hate mongers) when the blame is not directed to our own religion or ethnicity? When would we wake up?

Because most people are simple and they are looking for simple solutions. I'm sorry, but now that I'm starting to see Trump bumper stickers everywhere where I live, I just have a generally low opinion regarding the average intelligence of humans. Every time I see those stickers one word pops into my head: STUPID.

Why are you surprised? The avg human by the very definition cant understand complex issues. But internet gives them the power to display their avg intelligence to the globe and feel they are smart coz they vented out their opinion. Thats the Achilles heels of democracy. The avg person with avg IQ but an INFLATED self opinion is going to elect. But the saving grace is that institutions wont let the republic come down easily despite the damage one bad president can cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as Orlando mass shooting hit news circuit Donald Trump renewed his call to ban Muslim immigration. I know in my gut that it is wrong to target a religion for a hate crime, however just to clarify my understanding I went looking for data...

Found this article: The Math of Mass Shootings

Before blaming a religion understand that 7 out of the 129 (I counted based on names) seems to be Muslim. That is 0.05%. What about the religion of the rest? Should we blame the religions? Should we ban immigration from all countries where the shooters' heritage lie?

This article presents a lot of facts. Read and draw your own conclusions.

Why do we tend to respond to Hitler like rhetoric from Trump/(other hate mongers) when the blame is not directed to our own religion or ethnicity? When would we wake up?

7/129 is .05, or 5%. Big difference between that and .05% (which is closer to 0 than 5%).

I am really sorry for my miscalculation... ashamed being an engineer and doing this mistake. Can you focus on the gist though? 95% of the shooters are non-muslims. What do we do about that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as Orlando mass shooting hit news circuit Donald Trump renewed his call to ban Muslim immigration. I know in my gut that it is wrong to target a religion for a hate crime, however just to clarify my understanding I went looking for data...

Found this article: The Math of Mass Shootings

Before blaming a religion understand that 7 out of the 129 (I counted based on names) seems to be Muslim. That is 0.05%. What about the religion of the rest? Should we blame the religions? Should we ban immigration from all countries where the shooters' heritage lie?

This article presents a lot of facts. Read and draw your own conclusions.

Why do we tend to respond to Hitler like rhetoric from Trump/(other hate mongers) when the blame is not directed to our own religion or ethnicity? When would we wake up?

Because most people are simple and they are looking for simple solutions. I'm sorry, but now that I'm starting to see Trump bumper stickers everywhere where I live, I just have a generally low opinion regarding the average intelligence of humans. Every time I see those stickers one word pops into my head: STUPID.

Why are you surprised? The avg human by the very definition cant understand complex issues. But internet gives them the power to display their avg intelligence to the globe and feel they are smart coz they vented out their opinion. Thats the Achilles heels of democracy. The avg person with avg IQ but an INFLATED self opinion is going to elect. But the saving grace is that institutions wont let the republic come down easily despite the damage one bad president can cause.

I'm not surprised. Just dismayed that modern technology gives the proudly ignorant and stupid outsized voice and power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as Orlando mass shooting hit news circuit Donald Trump renewed his call to ban Muslim immigration. I know in my gut that it is wrong to target a religion for a hate crime, however just to clarify my understanding I went looking for data...

Found this article: The Math of Mass Shootings

Before blaming a religion understand that 7 out of the 129 (I counted based on names) seems to be Muslim. That is 0.05%. What about the religion of the rest? Should we blame the religions? Should we ban immigration from all countries where the shooters' heritage lie?

This article presents a lot of facts. Read and draw your own conclusions.

Why do we tend to respond to Hitler like rhetoric from Trump/(other hate mongers) when the blame is not directed to our own religion or ethnicity? When would we wake up?

Because most people are simple and they are looking for simple solutions. I'm sorry, but now that I'm starting to see Trump bumper stickers everywhere where I live, I just have a generally low opinion regarding the average intelligence of humans. Every time I see those stickers one word pops into my head: STUPID.

Why are you surprised? The avg human by the very definition cant understand complex issues. But internet gives them the power to display their avg intelligence to the globe and feel they are smart coz they vented out their opinion. Thats the Achilles heels of democracy. The avg person with avg IQ but an INFLATED self opinion is going to elect. But the saving grace is that institutions wont let the republic come down easily despite the damage one bad president can cause.

I'm not surprised. Just dismayed that modern technology gives the proudly ignorant and stupid outsized voice and power.

Hey, the other side of the free and open society, grin and bear, and hope the good/smart out votes the proudly ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as Orlando mass shooting hit news circuit Donald Trump renewed his call to ban Muslim immigration. I know in my gut that it is wrong to target a religion for a hate crime, however just to clarify my understanding I went looking for data...

Found this article: The Math of Mass Shootings

Before blaming a religion understand that 7 out of the 129 (I counted based on names) seems to be Muslim. That is 0.05%. What about the religion of the rest? Should we blame the religions? Should we ban immigration from all countries where the shooters' heritage lie?

This article presents a lot of facts. Read and draw your own conclusions.

Why do we tend to respond to Hitler like rhetoric from Trump/(other hate mongers) when the blame is not directed to our own religion or ethnicity? When would we wake up?

Because most people are simple and they are looking for simple solutions. I'm sorry, but now that I'm starting to see Trump bumper stickers everywhere where I live, I just have a generally low opinion regarding the average intelligence of humans. Every time I see those stickers one word pops into my head: STUPID.

Why are you surprised? The avg human by the very definition cant understand complex issues. But internet gives them the power to display their avg intelligence to the globe and feel they are smart coz they vented out their opinion. Thats the Achilles heels of democracy. The avg person with avg IQ but an INFLATED self opinion is going to elect. But the saving grace is that institutions wont let the republic come down easily despite the damage one bad president can cause.

I'm not surprised. Just dismayed that modern technology gives the proudly ignorant and stupid outsized voice and power.

Hey, the other side of the free and open society, grin and bear, and hope the good/smart out votes the proudly ignorant.

Yes well, the good/smart have been outvoted before, and it could happen again. Human history is full of stories of the ignorant and terrible overtaking the good/smart. No wonder anxiety is epidemic. . .if you have a brain and can think the world is a terrifying and depressing place a good part of the time.