Proof of why URMs do NOT want SES-based affirmative action to take place of race-based policy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just one question - why do people on here always single out Blacks for everything?

On one hand, you lecture us about doing waht we need to do to improve our communities - including increasing college matriculation. Then as those numbers have increased, we get crap like this. What is this damn obsession with the opportunities that some Blacks are getting?

The issue is not with Blacks attending colleges. All students wishing to attend colleges should be able to attend. The issue is some groups are discriminated on the basis of race in college admissions. I think you would understand if the situation was reversed and blacks were currently discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions. You would find that unacceptable for blacks.

If the situation was reversed would my black child receive the advantages and privileges that white and Asian children receive at every step of the way in the educational process, before and after college admissions?

Asian children DO NOT receive advantages and privileges in educational process. In fact, many Asian students have to learn a new language, deal with the fact that often there are very few Asian students in their schools whether elementary, middle or high school. Isn't this what many black students complain about? Asian students have to suffer this from elementary school to even colleges since NO ONE even cares that Asians have too few peers around. Asians suffer in silence too often. College admissions may be the issue that may finally be the last straw.

Not only that but they have to put in super effort to achieve academic success that are almost impossible only to be told that they are not welcome at the selective colleges since they are not legacies or URMs-because they are of the wrong race. I hope you can see why this picture is very disappointing to Asian applicants especially if they are middle or lower class with limited options besides academics.

+1.

AAs could learn a thing or two from Asian families.

But they seem too invested in their anti-white rhetoric.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just one question - why do people on here always single out Blacks for everything?

On one hand, you lecture us about doing waht we need to do to improve our communities - including increasing college matriculation. Then as those numbers have increased, we get crap like this. What is this damn obsession with the opportunities that some Blacks are getting?

The issue is not with Blacks attending colleges. All students wishing to attend colleges should be able to attend. The issue is some groups are discriminated on the basis of race in college admissions. I think you would understand if the situation was reversed and blacks were currently discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions. You would find that unacceptable for blacks.

If the situation was reversed would my black child receive the advantages and privileges that white and Asian children receive at every step of the way in the educational process, before and after college admissions?

Asian children DO NOT receive advantages and privileges in educational process. In fact, many Asian students have to learn a new language, deal with the fact that often there are very few Asian students in their schools whether elementary, middle or high school. Isn't this what many black students complain about? Asian students have to suffer this from elementary school to even colleges since NO ONE even cares that Asians have too few peers around. Asians suffer in silence too often. College admissions may be the issue that may finally be the last straw.

Not only that but they have to put in super effort to achieve academic success that are almost impossible only to be told that they are not welcome at the selective colleges since they are not legacies or URMs-because they are of the wrong race. I hope you can see why this picture is very disappointing to Asian applicants especially if they are middle or lower class with limited options besides academics.

+1.

AAs could learn a thing or two from Asian families.

But they seem too invested in their anti-white rhetoric.

I am white and from my perspective I see far too many white males,in particular, too invested in protecting their privilege.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't stop your ranting. So much racial hostility.

+1. Thank you. Almost every other thread is complaining about minorities. It's getting to be too much. We got it the first 10 threads. Geez!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just one question - why do people on here always single out Blacks for everything?

On one hand, you lecture us about doing waht we need to do to improve our communities - including increasing college matriculation. Then as those numbers have increased, we get crap like this. What is this damn obsession with the opportunities that some Blacks are getting?

The issue is not with Blacks attending colleges. All students wishing to attend colleges should be able to attend. The issue is some groups are discriminated on the basis of race in college admissions. I think you would understand if the situation was reversed and blacks were currently discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions. You would find that unacceptable for blacks.

If the situation was reversed would my black child receive the advantages and privileges that white and Asian children receive at every step of the way in the educational process, before and after college admissions?

Asian children DO NOT receive advantages and privileges in educational process. In fact, many Asian students have to learn a new language, deal with the fact that often there are very few Asian students in their schools whether elementary, middle or high school. Isn't this what many black students complain about? Asian students have to suffer this from elementary school to even colleges since NO ONE even cares that Asians have too few peers around. Asians suffer in silence too often. College admissions may be the issue that may finally be the last straw.

Not only that but they have to put in super effort to achieve academic success that are almost impossible only to be told that they are not welcome at the selective colleges since they are not legacies or URMs-because they are of the wrong race. I hope you can see why this picture is very disappointing to Asian applicants especially if they are middle or lower class with limited options besides academics.

+1.

AAs could learn a thing or two from Asian families.

But they seem too invested in their anti-white rhetoric.

I am white and from my perspective I see far too many white males,in particular, too invested in protecting their privilege.

It's not "protecting one's privilege" to agree with the idea that admission should be based on who is the most meritorious, not on race.

[Anonymous]

I just don't happen to believe that all whites have more merit and all blacks do not. This is lmplicit in many of these comments. Also I do not think that sat scores should be a yardstick by which merit is judged. Again only see these comments teeing off on African Americans of all the groups gaining admission to college. The more competive it becomes, the more scapegoating of African Americans I see. It's not only racist, it's frankly insulting. It is so tiresome and a complete bore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just one question - why do people on here always single out Blacks for everything?

On one hand, you lecture us about doing waht we need to do to improve our communities - including increasing college matriculation. Then as those numbers have increased, we get crap like this. What is this damn obsession with the opportunities that some Blacks are getting?

The issue is not with Blacks attending colleges. All students wishing to attend colleges should be able to attend. The issue is some groups are discriminated on the basis of race in college admissions. I think you would understand if the situation was reversed and blacks were currently discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions. You would find that unacceptable for blacks.

If the situation was reversed would my black child receive the advantages and privileges that white and Asian children receive at every step of the way in the educational process, before and after college admissions?

Asian children DO NOT receive advantages and privileges in educational process. In fact, many Asian students have to learn a new language, deal with the fact that often there are very few Asian students in their schools whether elementary, middle or high school. Isn't this what many black students complain about? Asian students have to suffer this from elementary school to even colleges since NO ONE even cares that Asians have too few peers around. Asians suffer in silence too often. College admissions may be the issue that may finally be the last straw.

Not only that but they have to put in super effort to achieve academic success that are almost impossible only to be told that they are not welcome at the selective colleges since they are not legacies or URMs-because they are of the wrong race. I hope you can see why this picture is very disappointing to Asian applicants especially if they are middle or lower class with limited options besides academics.

+1.

AAs could learn a thing or two from Asian families.

But they seem too invested in their anti-white rhetoric.

I am white and from my perspective I see far too many white males,in particular, too invested in protecting their privilege.

It's not "protecting one's privilege" to agree with the idea that admission should be based on who is the most meritorious, not on race.

+1, says a Hispanic immigrant amazed by the double standards in these threads

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just don't happen to believe that all whites have more merit and all blacks do not. This is lmplicit in many of these comments. Also I do not think that sat scores should be a yardstick by which merit is judged. Again only see these comments teeing off on African Americans of all the groups gaining admission to college. The more competive it becomes, the more scapegoating of African Americans I see. It's not only racist, it's frankly insulting. It is so tiresome and a complete bore.

I agree that not all whites have more merit than all blacks. However, those that do have more merit, deserve the seat at the college over a black with lesser merit. Conversely, an AA with greater merit deserves the seat. But admissions should be based on MERIT, not race. And I agree that SAT scores aren't necessarily indicative of merit, but race sure as hell isn't indicative of merit either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just one question - why do people on here always single out Blacks for everything?

On one hand, you lecture us about doing waht we need to do to improve our communities - including increasing college matriculation. Then as those numbers have increased, we get crap like this. What is this damn obsession with the opportunities that some Blacks are getting?

The issue is not with Blacks attending colleges. All students wishing to attend colleges should be able to attend. The issue is some groups are discriminated on the basis of race in college admissions. I think you would understand if the situation was reversed and blacks were currently discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions. You would find that unacceptable for blacks.

If the situation was reversed would my black child receive the advantages and privileges that white and Asian children receive at every step of the way in the educational process, before and after college admissions?

Asian children DO NOT receive advantages and privileges in educational process. In fact, many Asian students have to learn a new language, deal with the fact that often there are very few Asian students in their schools whether elementary, middle or high school. Isn't this what many black students complain about? Asian students have to suffer this from elementary school to even colleges since NO ONE even cares that Asians have too few peers around. Asians suffer in silence too often. College admissions may be the issue that may finally be the last straw.

Not only that but they have to put in super effort to achieve academic success that are almost impossible only to be told that they are not welcome at the selective colleges since they are not legacies or URMs-because they are of the wrong race. I hope you can see why this picture is very disappointing to Asian applicants especially if they are middle or lower class with limited options besides academics.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just one question - why do people on here always single out Blacks for everything?

On one hand, you lecture us about doing waht we need to do to improve our communities - including increasing college matriculation. Then as those numbers have increased, we get crap like this. What is this damn obsession with the opportunities that some Blacks are getting?

The issue is not with Blacks attending colleges. All students wishing to attend colleges should be able to attend. The issue is some groups are discriminated on the basis of race in college admissions. I think you would understand if the situation was reversed and blacks were currently discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions. You would find that unacceptable for blacks.

If the situation was reversed would my black child receive the advantages and privileges that white and Asian children receive at every step of the way in the educational process, before and after college admissions?

If your child is not receiving the "privileges" that white and Asian children have, that lies squarely on YOU.

[Anonymous]

Squarely? Have you looked around you? Are you living in America? What a fact-free, hateful rant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just one question - why do people on here always single out Blacks for everything?

On one hand, you lecture us about doing waht we need to do to improve our communities - including increasing college matriculation. Then as those numbers have increased, we get crap like this. What is this damn obsession with the opportunities that some Blacks are getting?

The issue is not with Blacks attending colleges. All students wishing to attend colleges should be able to attend. The issue is some groups are discriminated on the basis of race in college admissions. I think you would understand if the situation was reversed and blacks were currently discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions. You would find that unacceptable for blacks.

If the situation was reversed would my black child receive the advantages and privileges that white and Asian children receive at every step of the way in the educational process, before and after college admissions?

so do tell- what are these advantages my children are receiving?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just one question - why do people on here always single out Blacks for everything?

On one hand, you lecture us about doing waht we need to do to improve our communities - including increasing college matriculation. Then as those numbers have increased, we get crap like this. What is this damn obsession with the opportunities that some Blacks are getting?

The issue is not with Blacks attending colleges. All students wishing to attend colleges should be able to attend. The issue is some groups are discriminated on the basis of race in college admissions. I think you would understand if the situation was reversed and blacks were currently discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions. You would find that unacceptable for blacks.

If the situation was reversed would my black child receive the advantages and privileges that white and Asian children receive at every step of the way in the educational process, before and after college admissions?

If your child is not receiving the "privileges" that white and Asian children have, that lies squarely on YOU.

You just don't get it. Since kindergarten and continuing to this day my brown skinned kids are assumed to be less intelligent than their white and Asian classmates. My older son entered kindergarten fluently reading chapter books. His teacher didn't realize it until just before the first parent teacher conference at the beginning of November. She tested him until the end of kindergarten benchmarks and didn't go any farther. Meanwhile two Asian classmates were getting special homework and assignments because the teacher assumed they were advanced. When my son got an achievement award for scholarship a white mom turned to me and said, "did they really just call up your son for scholarship?" Another mom overheard her and told her my son was really smart. At a teacher's conference in second grade my son's teacher told my husband I that we really should shoot for getting our son into a 4 year college and not just a community college. WTF? DH and I both graduated from top schools and have graduate degrees. Another teacher commented once to my husband how well my kids spoke English and what a great vocabulary they have. WTF, again? They were born here and so were DH and I. Many of the complements we get about our kids tend to be based on the observer having low expectations to begin with and our kids prove them wrong. I could also go on and on about how my brown skinned DH has been profiled. Others having low academic expectations for our kids is a disadvantage that we see over and over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just one question - why do people on here always single out Blacks for everything?

On one hand, you lecture us about doing waht we need to do to improve our communities - including increasing college matriculation. Then as those numbers have increased, we get crap like this. What is this damn obsession with the opportunities that some Blacks are getting?

The issue is not with Blacks attending colleges. All students wishing to attend colleges should be able to attend. The issue is some groups are discriminated on the basis of race in college admissions. I think you would understand if the situation was reversed and blacks were currently discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions. You would find that unacceptable for blacks.

If the situation was reversed would my black child receive the advantages and privileges that white and Asian children receive at every step of the way in the educational process, before and after college admissions?

If your child is not receiving the "privileges" that white and Asian children have, that lies squarely on YOU.

You just don't get it. Since kindergarten and continuing to this day my brown skinned kids are assumed to be less intelligent than their white and Asian classmates. My older son entered kindergarten fluently reading chapter books. His teacher didn't realize it until just before the first parent teacher conference at the beginning of November. She tested him until the end of kindergarten benchmarks and didn't go any farther. Meanwhile two Asian classmates were getting special homework and assignments because the teacher assumed they were advanced. When my son got an achievement award for scholarship a white mom turned to me and said, "did they really just call up your son for scholarship?" Another mom overheard her and told her my son was really smart. At a teacher's conference in second grade my son's teacher told my husband I that we really should shoot for getting our son into a 4 year college and not just a community college. WTF? DH and I both graduated from top schools and have graduate degrees. Another teacher commented once to my husband how well my kids spoke English and what a great vocabulary they have. WTF, again? They were born here and so were DH and I. Many of the complements we get about our kids tend to be based on the observer having low expectations to begin with and our kids prove them wrong. I could also go on and on about how my brown skinned DH has been profiled. Others having low academic expectations for our kids is a disadvantage that we see over and over.

It's not constructive to get in to a contest of which group faces more challenges. Asians face challenges that you are not aware and some were already described in the previous postings. You do acknowledge that Asians face discrimination and challenges just as you or other blacks may face.

The difference is that the society is at least aware and tries to address issues facing blacks/Hispanics but issues facing Asians are NOT EVEN discussed because Asians do not have any voice at all. The Asians are invisible (ignored) group and they can get beaten to death just for being Asian or bullied excessively for being Asian etc. and media doesn't even cover these stories and these issues are invisible issues since hardly anyone hears about these incidents. At least Asians still try despite the discrimination and challenges and they are asking what we all want ultimately. Not to be judged on the basis of race.

Here is an example:

"Growing up, I was known as the Asian kid who was really good at math.”
“They asked me why I looked different, why my eyes are the way they are."
“People would say that my name was weird.”

There are lots of different ways to be Asian. To help make that a little clearer, a 3-minute video called #NotTheSame is showcasing the voices and stories of young Asian-Americans, raising awareness about the diverse backgrounds and unheard struggles of Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/asian-americans-not-the-same_5672f7a7e4b0648fe3028a8e

[Anonymous]

No one is trying to out-suffer. Just give you some ideas of what life looks like for other people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just one question - why do people on here always single out Blacks for everything?

On one hand, you lecture us about doing waht we need to do to improve our communities - including increasing college matriculation. Then as those numbers have increased, we get crap like this. What is this damn obsession with the opportunities that some Blacks are getting?

The issue is not with Blacks attending colleges. All students wishing to attend colleges should be able to attend. The issue is some groups are discriminated on the basis of race in college admissions. I think you would understand if the situation was reversed and blacks were currently discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions. You would find that unacceptable for blacks.

If the situation was reversed would my black child receive the advantages and privileges that white and Asian children receive at every step of the way in the educational process, before and after college admissions?

If your child is not receiving the "privileges" that white and Asian children have, that lies squarely on YOU.

You just don't get it. Since kindergarten and continuing to this day my brown skinned kids are assumed to be less intelligent than their white and Asian classmates. My older son entered kindergarten fluently reading chapter books. His teacher didn't realize it until just before the first parent teacher conference at the beginning of November. She tested him until the end of kindergarten benchmarks and didn't go any farther. Meanwhile two Asian classmates were getting special homework and assignments because the teacher assumed they were advanced. When my son got an achievement award for scholarship a white mom turned to me and said, "did they really just call up your son for scholarship?" Another mom overheard her and told her my son was really smart. At a teacher's conference in second grade my son's teacher told my husband I that we really should shoot for getting our son into a 4 year college and not just a community college. WTF? DH and I both graduated from top schools and have graduate degrees. Another teacher commented once to my husband how well my kids spoke English and what a great vocabulary they have. WTF, again? They were born here and so were DH and I. Many of the complements we get about our kids tend to be based on the observer having low expectations to begin with and our kids prove them wrong. I could also go on and on about how my brown skinned DH has been profiled. Others having low academic expectations for our kids is a disadvantage that we see over and over.

I see a lot of situations here where you are assuming ill intentions on the part of others. Just because a white person compliments a black person doesn't mean that they were assuming that you were inferior to begin with.