Proof of why URMs do NOT want SES-based affirmative action to take place of race-based policy

[Anonymous]

You think that they are the racists, but it is you who projects White Supremacist thoughts into their heads.

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So it black's fault? Really

[Anonymous]

So take race off the application. Then nobody should complain about being discriminated against.

But I bet they will.

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Anonymous wrote:Just one question - why do people on here always single out Blacks for everything?

On one hand, you lecture us about doing waht we need to do to improve our communities - including increasing college matriculation. Then as those numbers have increased, we get crap like this. What is this damn obsession with the opportunities that some Blacks are getting?

The issue is not with Blacks attending colleges. All students wishing to attend colleges should be able to attend. The issue is some groups are discriminated on the basis of race in college admissions. I think you would understand if the situation was reversed and blacks were currently discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions. You would find that unacceptable for blacks.

If the situation was reversed would my black child receive the advantages and privileges that white and Asian children receive at every step of the way in the educational process, before and after college admissions?

Asian children DO NOT receive advantages and privileges in educational process. In fact, many Asian students have to learn a new language, deal with the fact that often there are very few Asian students in their schools whether elementary, middle or high school. Isn't this what many black students complain about? Asian students have to suffer this from elementary school to even colleges since NO ONE even cares that Asians have too few peers around. Asians suffer in silence too often. College admissions may be the issue that may finally be the last straw.

Not only that but they have to put in super effort to achieve academic success that are almost impossible only to be told that they are not welcome at the selective colleges since they are not legacies or URMs-because they are of the wrong race. I hope you can see why this picture is very disappointing to Asian applicants especially if they are middle or lower class with limited options besides academics.

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[Anonymous]

Can someone please tell me what exactly the argument over SES-based affirmative action is?

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Anonymous wrote:Squarely? Have you looked around you? Are you living in America? What a fact-free, hateful rant.

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Could not agree more. So many clueless comments on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/16/opinion/what-israel-tells-us-about-affirmative-action-and-race.html?_r=0

Yet, as in Israel, the student bodies of elite American colleges would be substantially less racially and ethnically diverse than they are now. Under socioeconomic affirmative action, the share of minority students will decline by nearly a third. The number of African-American students could decline by up to 50 percent, and Hispanics by about 25 percent. At the same time, the share of whites and Asians will rise.

Researchers are saying the truth after fisher II has been argued. That if you went to a SES-based affirmative action system URM enrollment will fall.

So when URMs talk about a boost needed for college admissions, they are not talking about requiring a boost due to SES reasons.

There are too many poor asians and poor whites form a population sense who are academically stronger that would take slots away from URM admits.

OP, this is America. No one gives a damn about poor Asians or poor whites until they organize and fight for what is theirs.

As soon as that is attempted they will be labeled racist.

Well, more and more people are getting tired of this racial business (including, thanks heavens, the Supreme Court!), so they'd get a lot of sympathy and support too mixed with some "racist" labels

This longtime Democrat will vote for Trump. Had it up to here with affirmative action and all the race-based whining.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please tell me what exactly the argument over SES-based affirmative action is?

It will drastically reduce the number of URMs in top colleges. The children of poor whites score the same on the SAT as as the children of affluent Blacks.

[Anonymous]

22:06. Yeah you voting for Trump because of affirmative action and whining.
Why don't you just own up to what you are really voting for and against. At least I could respect that.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please tell me what exactly the argument over SES-based affirmative action is?

It will drastically reduce the number of URMs in top colleges. The children of poor whites score the same on the SAT as as the children of affluent Blacks.

This is a gross generalization and wrong, to boot. Affluence is what affects the score, not race.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please tell me what exactly the argument over SES-based affirmative action is?

It will drastically reduce the number of URMs in top colleges. The children of poor whites score the same on the SAT as as the children of affluent Blacks.

This is a gross generalization and wrong, to boot. Affluence is what affects the score, not race.

Actually, you are wrong and PP is correct: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/10/27/study-finds-race-growing-explanatory-factor-sat-scores-california
http://www.cshe.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/shared/publications/docs/ROPS.CSHE_.10.15.Geiser.RaceSAT.10.26.2015.pdf

[Anonymous]

Funny...the % of Black kids at any PWI is less than 10%. Instead of doing whatever it takes for their kid to be in the other 90%, folks want to snipe at the Black kids. In a class of 1000 freshmen, less than 100 will be Black - and few of those will be recruited athletes. So let's say that 65 of those kids are academic admits. You guys have your panties in a bunch over 65/1000 kids. Think about that!

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Anonymous wrote:Funny...the % of Black kids at any PWI is less than 10%. Instead of doing whatever it takes for their kid to be in the other 90%, folks want to snipe at the Black kids. In a class of 1000 freshmen, less than 100 will be Black - and few of those will be recruited athletes. So let's say that 65 of those kids are academic admits. You guys have your panties in a bunch over 65/1000 kids. Think about that!

Actually, about 2,200 offers are made per school for top schools although incoming class sizes vary somewhat and the yield rates vary as well. 10% of 2,200 is 220 per school. Remember, balck applicant doesn't just get one acceptance from top schools but multiple acceptances. Multiply 220 for top 20 schools and you get 4,400 acceptances. Subtract about 600 for recruited athletes and you have 3,800 acceptances for the top 20 schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funny...the % of Black kids at any PWI is less than 10%. Instead of doing whatever it takes for their kid to be in the other 90%, folks want to snipe at the Black kids. In a class of 1000 freshmen, less than 100 will be Black - and few of those will be recruited athletes. So let's say that 65 of those kids are academic admits. You guys have your panties in a bunch over 65/1000 kids. Think about that!

If the black children are accepted under affirmative action and they are less qualified, that number should be zero.

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So you direct your vitriol at them. As opposed to recruited athletes, legacy, big money and international students. And BOYS!