Admissions Chances

[Anonymous]

DS will attend Emory University. His SAT was 2200, GPA 3.8. Emory was not his first choice, he was not accepted to Georgia Tech. We all thought he was surely getting in, considering DH is an alum. Didn't happen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DS will attend Emory University. His SAT was 2200, GPA 3.8. Emory was not his first choice, he was not accepted to Georgia Tech. We all thought he was surely getting in, considering DH is an alum. Didn't happen

Thank you for posting this. I have a feeling he will prove to be a great student got Emory, perhaps then onto graduate school at Georgia Tech.

[Anonymous]

DD is at Duke. Her weighted GPA was 4.7 (unweighted 4.0); SAT was 2350. Well regarded public high school in MoCo. She didn't get into her top choice, Yale, but did also gain admittance to Penn, Brown and UMichigan.

[Anonymous]

OP,

A question like this is better answered on College Confidential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DS will attend Emory University. His SAT was 2200, GPA 3.8. Emory was not his first choice, he was not accepted to Georgia Tech. We all thought he was surely getting in, considering DH is an alum. Didn't happen

Isn't tech easier to get into than emory? Or are there really diverging acceptance rates between in-state and out of state at gtech due to beign a public school?

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Anonymous wrote:Naviance and talking to your student's guidance counselor can yield the best information. That said, the top top colleges are a crap shoot unless you have a hook (won state science fair, nationally top ten ranked in his/her sport, grandfather just gave $2M, won a Nobel or Pulitzer Prize, discovered a treatment for Ebola....). It doesn't mean not to take the crap shoot if you think you may be one of the lucky ones, but make sure you have a backup.

you forgot URM. the score gap between asian and black at a place like princeton is insane. A black kid with 2100 boards and decent grades will get into multiple top 10 schools.

I was reading an analysis of this for UVA; being Black gives a massive boost; being Hispanic gives a significantly smaller advantage. In another article the average Black student at UVA has a ~1050 on the SATs and the average white student had a ~1350.

Here: http://www.nas.org/images/documents/report_affirmative_action_at_three_universities.pdf

Some interesting stats:

The odds ratio for blacks compared to whites at NCS is 13 to 1, but at UVA it is 106 to 1 and at William &Mary 267 to 1. In other words, at UVA the odds of a black student being admitted is more than 100 times the odds of admission of a white student with the same qualifications. The odds of admitting a black applicant at William & Mary is more than 250 times the odds of admitting an equally-qualified white applicant. The odds ratios for Asians at all three schools are less than one, meaning that Asians are less likely to be admitted than equally-qualified whites (the odds ratio for Asians at UVA is not statistically significant). The odds ratios for Hispanics are 2.8 and 1.9 at UVA and NCS, respectively, but less than one at W&M.

This is absurd. By these stats, not just UVA but many colleges would be majority African American. That certainly is not the case, and it's misleading to consistently suggest that black applicants get this 'massive boost' in admissions.

UCLA has a significant Asian admittance rating and, using your words, the odds are more than 100 times the odds of a qualified white or black student to be admitted.

I don't follow your reasoning. How would top colleges be majority AA? Do you think there are a ton of Black students out there with high SAT scores? The average SAT scores for Blacks in the US was about 860. And these aren't "my" stats or words; they came from the article supplied. They were obtained using FOIA. I think anyone who doesn't think that being Black gives you a big advantage in selective college admittance is being willfully obtuse.

If you think Black kids are getting into Ivy schools with inferior grades, scores, and aptitudes then it is you who is obtuse. Do you really think places like Harvard would let anyone in who couldn't hold their own academically regardless of color?

So concerned about the handful of qualified Black applicants being admitted while Asians and other foreign applicants have systematically snatched up far more seats than Blacks.

Where is the outrage?

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy is HUGE.

Not always. Plenty of selective schools barely consider it. And I know plenty of qualified legacies who didn't get in.

+1. I think it's in Price of Admission where an Ivy admissions officer sniffed to the writer, "If they took our education, became a teacher with it, and so they weren't in a position to donate money, then that doesn't speak well for that gene pool and we probably won't take the kid." Or something like that, in any case I'm paraphrasing. Ouch.

wait, what happened to all the rah rah about how Ivies tell their students to do something noble with their education? Someones lying here - and I'm not saying it's the PP.

Someone's nuts, and I think it's you. Teachers are certainly noble in my book, but I can think of lots of professions that are noble and earn major money. For starters, Zuckerberg, Gates, and anybody who every invented something marketable or was highly successful in one of the arts.

[Anonymous]

It is a crapshoot for any given school because the are building diverse classes, and you cannot control the rest of the applicant pool in a given year. But we have met a number of smart, non-legacy, non-athletic recruits in the ivy league, and plenty of them are not recognized URMs. But those kids do tend to have the highest grades, very high test scores (800s or near), great recommendations, insightful essays, and some awards or other special accomplishments / talents they pursue beyond the four corners of high school. They don't need to win the Intel competition (but that doesn't hurt of course), cure cancer, or publish a novel by 17, but if a kid has not done these sort of things he must show in multiple ways that he is possesses both academic and personal traits likely to help him or her contribute in multiple ways to campus life and beyond.

[Anonymous]

I should have added to the last sentence above the words, ". . . more than the other applicants.".

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Anonymous wrote:Naviance and talking to your student's guidance counselor can yield the best information. That said, the top top colleges are a crap shoot unless you have a hook (won state science fair, nationally top ten ranked in his/her sport, grandfather just gave $2M, won a Nobel or Pulitzer Prize, discovered a treatment for Ebola....). It doesn't mean not to take the crap shoot if you think you may be one of the lucky ones, but make sure you have a backup.

you forgot URM. the score gap between asian and black at a place like princeton is insane. A black kid with 2100 boards and decent grades will get into multiple top 10 schools.

I was reading an analysis of this for UVA; being Black gives a massive boost; being Hispanic gives a significantly smaller advantage. In another article the average Black student at UVA has a ~1050 on the SATs and the average white student had a ~1350.

Here: http://www.nas.org/images/documents/report_affirmative_action_at_three_universities.pdf

Some interesting stats:

The odds ratio for blacks compared to whites at NCS is 13 to 1, but at UVA it is 106 to 1 and at William &Mary 267 to 1. In other words, at UVA the odds of a black student being admitted is more than 100 times the odds of admission of a white student with the same qualifications. The odds of admitting a black applicant at William & Mary is more than 250 times the odds of admitting an equally-qualified white applicant. The odds ratios for Asians at all three schools are less than one, meaning that Asians are less likely to be admitted than equally-qualified whites (the odds ratio for Asians at UVA is not statistically significant). The odds ratios for Hispanics are 2.8 and 1.9 at UVA and NCS, respectively, but less than one at W&M.

This is absurd. By these stats, not just UVA but many colleges would be majority African American. That certainly is not the case, and it's misleading to consistently suggest that black applicants get this 'massive boost' in admissions.

UCLA has a significant Asian admittance rating and, using your words, the odds are more than 100 times the odds of a qualified white or black student to be admitted.

I don't follow your reasoning. How would top colleges be majority AA? Do you think there are a ton of Black students out there with high SAT scores? The average SAT scores for Blacks in the US was about 860. And these aren't "my" stats or words; they came from the article supplied. They were obtained using FOIA. I think anyone who doesn't think that being Black gives you a big advantage in selective college admittance is being willfully obtuse.

If you think Black kids are getting into Ivy schools with inferior grades, scores, and aptitudes then it is you who is obtuse. Do you really think places like Harvard would let anyone in who couldn't hold their own academically regardless of color?

So concerned about the handful of qualified Black applicants being admitted while Asians and other foreign applicants have systematically snatched up far more seats than Blacks.

Where is the outrage?

I'm sorry, but the fact is that African Americans ARE admitted with stats " inferior" to those of more qualified students of other races who get rejected. It's not that they aren't accomplished. Clearly they are. There is just a sense of unfairness when others with greater accomplishments based on those same measures are denied the same opportunity because of their skin color. Why is that hard to understand? There is not so much "outrage" about Asian and other foreign admits because the standards aren't lowered for them.

[Anonymous]

Using the high number of Asian students at UCLA to argue that affirmative action doesn't hurt Asians is just about the least informed most foolish argument put forth on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:Naviance and talking to your student's guidance counselor can yield the best information. That said, the top top colleges are a crap shoot unless you have a hook (won state science fair, nationally top ten ranked in his/her sport, grandfather just gave $2M, won a Nobel or Pulitzer Prize, discovered a treatment for Ebola....). It doesn't mean not to take the crap shoot if you think you may be one of the lucky ones, but make sure you have a backup.

you forgot URM. the score gap between asian and black at a place like princeton is insane. A black kid with 2100 boards and decent grades will get into multiple top 10 schools.

I was reading an analysis of this for UVA; being Black gives a massive boost; being Hispanic gives a significantly smaller advantage. In another article the average Black student at UVA has a ~1050 on the SATs and the average white student had a ~1350.

Here: http://www.nas.org/images/documents/report_affirmative_action_at_three_universities.pdf

Some interesting stats:

The odds ratio for blacks compared to whites at NCS is 13 to 1, but at UVA it is 106 to 1 and at William &Mary 267 to 1. In other words, at UVA the odds of a black student being admitted is more than 100 times the odds of admission of a white student with the same qualifications. The odds of admitting a black applicant at William & Mary is more than 250 times the odds of admitting an equally-qualified white applicant. The odds ratios for Asians at all three schools are less than one, meaning that Asians are less likely to be admitted than equally-qualified whites (the odds ratio for Asians at UVA is not statistically significant). The odds ratios for Hispanics are 2.8 and 1.9 at UVA and NCS, respectively, but less than one at W&M.

This is absurd. By these stats, not just UVA but many colleges would be majority African American. That certainly is not the case, and it's misleading to consistently suggest that black applicants get this 'massive boost' in admissions.

UCLA has a significant Asian admittance rating and, using your words, the odds are more than 100 times the odds of a qualified white or black student to be admitted.

I don't follow your reasoning. How would top colleges be majority AA? Do you think there are a ton of Black students out there with high SAT scores? The average SAT scores for Blacks in the US was about 860. And these aren't "my" stats or words; they came from the article supplied. They were obtained using FOIA. I think anyone who doesn't think that being Black gives you a big advantage in selective college admittance is being willfully obtuse.

If you think Black kids are getting into Ivy schools with inferior grades, scores, and aptitudes then it is you who is obtuse. Do you really think places like Harvard would let anyone in who couldn't hold their own academically regardless of color?

So concerned about the handful of qualified Black applicants being admitted while Asians and other foreign applicants have systematically snatched up far more seats than Blacks.

Where is the outrage?

I'm sorry, but the fact is that African Americans ARE admitted with stats " inferior" to those of more qualified students of other races who get rejected. It's not that they aren't accomplished. Clearly they are. There is just a sense of unfairness when others with greater accomplishments based on those same measures are denied the same opportunity because of their skin color. Why is that hard to understand? There is not so much "outrage" about Asian and other foreign admits because the standards aren't lowered for them.

Bullshit. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:It's racist even to separate our mixed culture into race categories . What exactly , makes a person "black" ? What exact features qualify you? Everybody should call themselves black and put an end to all of it . Force the liberal racists to pull out their calipers and measure nose and lip width so they can do their sick manipulation .

Of course it's racist to separate, treat and judge people according to the artificial construct we call race. When the government jumps on board gleefully we are beginning to look like South Africa under apartheid.

You are a little slow on the keyboard. Why so much of a delay in typing out a third comment supporting your own, original ignorant statement? Tick, tick, tick...

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Anonymous wrote:It's racist even to separate our mixed culture into race categories . What exactly , makes a person "black" ? What exact features qualify you? Everybody should call themselves black and put an end to all of it . Force the liberal racists to pull out their calipers and measure nose and lip width so they can do their sick manipulation .

Of course it's racist to separate, treat and judge people according to the artificial construct we call race. When the government jumps on board gleefully we are beginning to look like South Africa under apartheid.

You are a little slow on the keyboard. Why so much of a delay in typing out a third comment supporting your own, original ignorant statement? Tick, tick, tick...

Not the PP but maybe the poster doesn't live on DCUM and might have other things going on in their life? Just a thought.

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Anonymous wrote:It's racist even to separate our mixed culture into race categories . What exactly , makes a person "black" ? What exact features qualify you? Everybody should call themselves black and put an end to all of it . Force the liberal racists to pull out their calipers and measure nose and lip width so they can do their sick manipulation .

Of course it's racist to separate, treat and judge people according to the artificial construct we call race. When the government jumps on board gleefully we are beginning to look like South Africa under apartheid.

You are a little slow on the keyboard. Why so much of a delay in typing out a third comment supporting your own, original ignorant statement? Tick, tick, tick...

Not the PP but maybe the poster doesn't live on DCUM and might have other things going on in their life? Just a thought.

Yes, probably a time out to iron the sheets for the next meeting.