The Gender Pay Gap is a Complete Myth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also unmarried childless women earn more than men. Women lifestyle choices ( to get married and have kids) are more or less responsible for wage gap.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505125_162-28246928/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/

Empirical evidence says otherwise.

[Anonymous]

American Association of Univ. Women offers empirical evidence as the extent of the gender pay gap.
This is real life, not right wing mental masturbation and phony lifestyle choices arguments. This is based up what's in a woman's paycheck for doing the same job as her male counterpart.


http://www.aauw.org/learn/research/upload/simpletruthaboutpaygap1.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:American Association of Univ. Women offers empirical evidence as the extent of the gender pay gap.
This is real life, not right wing mental masturbation and phony lifestyle choices arguments. This is based up what's in a woman's paycheck for doing the same job as her male counterpart.


http://www.aauw.org/learn/research/upload/simpletruthaboutpaygap1.pdf

Op here. This report confirms that I am right ( See page 10). Pay gap diminishes ( only 5 percent ) when you control women's choices. AAUV seems like one of the few truthful female advocacy group. Thanks for your link and confirming my suspicion.

[Anonymous]

You mean that guy with the puppy who sells books for a living is not the ultimate authority? Shocker!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American Association of Univ. Women offers empirical evidence as the extent of the gender pay gap.
This is real life, not right wing mental masturbation and phony lifestyle choices arguments. This is based up what's in a woman's paycheck for doing the same job as her male counterpart.


http://www.aauw.org/learn/research/upload/simpletruthaboutpaygap1.pdf

Op here. This report confirms that I am right ( See page 10). Pay gap diminishes ( only 5 percent ) when you control women's choices. AAUV seems like one of the few truthful female advocacy group. Thanks for your link and confirming my suspicion.

You don't think a 5% pay gap for doing the same work under the same conditions is significant? I think most people would disagree. If you found out your workplace was routinely handing out a 5% raise to only one part of a group of similarly-situated workers based on some arbitrary distinction (pick, say, hair color), that those who are not getting the extra 5% would think it's insignificant or not unfair?

[Anonymous]

^ oh, sorry. I misread your comment. The 5% is the portion of the pay gap, not the differential. Still, even if it's a smaller differential, the feelings would be the same.

[Anonymous]

Part of the problem with this analysis is while it's true that women are more likely to make certain career choices than men, the question is why do they do that and how are assumptions about gender and family structured such that they facilitate that.

Despite the lip service, the reality is that the United States is not a very family friendly place. It's assumed that the burdens of rearing families should be borne by individuals, women in particular. If men were responsible for raising families, it would be seen as a completely different matter. There would be all kinds of support for families so that men wouldn't have to make so many career compromises.

[Anonymous]

Yes but most women I know WANT to be the primary caregiver more than their DH does and WANT to have flexibility to spend more time with their kids. It is not so much being forced into SAH or PT work but rather that this is the preferred outcome for many. You will never eradicate the pay gap while those feelings persist. I also agree that the relevant gap is job to job or cases where men in same field or company are promoted over women of the same qualifications. That is wrong. The fact that more women want to be teachers or work PT while men gravitate to wall street and 50 hr weeks....not offensive to me. I am far from a conservative, btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes but most women I know WANT to be the primary caregiver more than their DH does and WANT to have flexibility to spend more time with their kids. It is not so much being forced into SAH or PT work but rather that this is the preferred outcome for many. You will never eradicate the pay gap while those feelings persist. I also agree that the relevant gap is job to job or cases where men in same field or company are promoted over women of the same qualifications. That is wrong. The fact that more women want to be teachers or work PT while men gravitate to wall street and 50 hr weeks....not offensive to me. I am far from a conservative, btw.

But not every woman or man wants to do it that way and sometimes people take the path of least resistance. Should we all be pressured into this lifestyle just because that's the way it's been?

[Anonymous]

If women want to make the same amount of money as men, then they need to continue pursuing jobs in the high-paying jobs that are dominated in number by men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If women want to make the same amount of money as men, then they need to continue pursuing jobs in the high-paying jobs that are dominated in number by men.

Golly I bet no one ever thought of comparing men and women's pay in the same job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If women want to make the same amount of money as men, then they need to continue pursuing jobs in the high-paying jobs that are dominated in number by men.

Golly I bet no one ever thought of comparing men and women's pay in the same job.

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Copy and paste time.

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When you compare apples to apples, the wage gap disappears. Young, childless, single urban women earn 8 percent more than their male counterparts. Women who have never had a child earn 113 percent of what men earn. Unmarried college-educated males between the ages of 40 and 64 earn nearly 15 percent less than their female counterparts.

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Furchtgott-Roth cites a 2005 study by economists June O’Neill and Dave O’Neill, which found that for the most part “the gender gap is attributable to choices made by women concerning the amount of time and energy to devote to a career.” They continue: “There is no gender gap in wages among men and women with similar family roles.”

In addition to being more likely to seek part-time work, women are also more likely to have gaps in their employment history and to enter lower-paying fields. The consulting company Consad, in a 2009 report for the Labor Department, found that these factors account for most of the pay gap. Correct for them, and men make only 5 percent to 7 percent more than women for the same work.

Even the American Association of University Women, in a recent report playing up the pay gap, conceded that 5 percent is a reasonable estimate of the difference between men’s and women’s wages that cannot be explained by choice of occupation, employment history and the like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If women want to make the same amount of money as men, then they need to continue pursuing jobs in the high-paying jobs that are dominated in number by men.

Golly I bet no one ever thought of comparing men and women's pay in the same job.

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Copy and paste time.

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When you compare apples to apples, the wage gap disappears. Young, childless, single urban women earn 8 percent more than their male counterparts. Women who have never had a child earn 113 percent of what men earn. Unmarried college-educated males between the ages of 40 and 64 earn nearly 15 percent less than their female counterparts.

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Furchtgott-Roth cites a 2005 study by economists June O’Neill and Dave O’Neill, which found that for the most part “the gender gap is attributable to choices made by women concerning the amount of time and energy to devote to a career.” They continue: “There is no gender gap in wages among men and women with similar family roles.”

In addition to being more likely to seek part-time work, women are also more likely to have gaps in their employment history and to enter lower-paying fields. The consulting company Consad, in a 2009 report for the Labor Department, found that these factors account for most of the pay gap. Correct for them, and men make only 5 percent to 7 percent more than women for the same work.

Even the American Association of University Women, in a recent report playing up the pay gap, conceded that 5 percent is a reasonable estimate of the difference between men’s and women’s wages that cannot be explained by choice of occupation, employment history and the like.

Wow, it's almost like you didn't read this thread and the contrary evidence. If you are going to copy and paste, at least provide a source so that we can compare the two and decide for ourselves which one we believe.

[Anonymous]

Funny re: unequal pay.
"even monkeys reject unequal pay".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8mynrRd7Ak

[Anonymous]

Even if the gender gap is a myth, being a woman still sucks. We are physically weaker. We get pregnant. Our hearts melt when we see small children and, like drug addicts, we are unable to resist them. Everybody hates us when we get old. Men steal everything they can from us and then throw us away. Our life is so bad that it is almost enough to make me believe in the first part of Genesis. And we have to put up with men who hate women and are probably gay feeling picked on and starting dumb threads like this one when they have everything and we suck (unfortunately, sometimes literally, even when we would rather not).