3rd grade Referral--Appeal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:12:31 , and forgot to add that my DC is already in AAP maths and then the teacher gives a GBRS 6 that is an insult.

Instead of thinking of it as an insult, why don't you read the GBRS and maybe look at your child thru the eyes of the teacher. last year DC got a GBRS of 9. Was accepted in the first round, but it made me think about how the teachers saw his abilities. You can see that even kids with a 13 or 14 GBRS can get rejected because that GBRS doesn't match with either the test scores or report card.

If he did not have the ability he would not be in AAP maths when I spoke to his teacher she actually said to me it was not his academic abilities that scored him such a low GBRS but his work habits for which he gets Gs in his report card, so is the AA(academic)P not about about academic abilities?

aap is more than just math

Understand that but his COGAT 134 and NNAT160, G's and O's on report

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12:31 , and forgot to add that my DC is already in AAP maths and then the teacher gives a GBRS 6 that is an insult.

Instead of thinking of it as an insult, why don't you read the GBRS and maybe look at your child thru the eyes of the teacher. last year DC got a GBRS of 9. Was accepted in the first round, but it made me think about how the teachers saw his abilities. You can see that even kids with a 13 or 14 GBRS can get rejected because that GBRS doesn't match with either the test scores or report card.

If he did not have the ability he would not be in AAP maths when I spoke to his teacher she actually said to me it was not his academic abilities that scored him such a low GBRS but his work habits for which he gets Gs in his report card, so is the AA(academic)P not about about academic abilities?

aap is more than just math

Understand that but his COGAT 134 and NNAT160, G's and O's on report

what were his cogat subscores?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12:31 , and forgot to add that my DC is already in AAP maths and then the teacher gives a GBRS 6 that is an insult.

Instead of thinking of it as an insult, why don't you read the GBRS and maybe look at your child thru the eyes of the teacher. last year DC got a GBRS of 9. Was accepted in the first round, but it made me think about how the teachers saw his abilities. You can see that even kids with a 13 or 14 GBRS can get rejected because that GBRS doesn't match with either the test scores or report card.

If he did not have the ability he would not be in AAP maths when I spoke to his teacher she actually said to me it was not his academic abilities that scored him such a low GBRS but his work habits for which he gets Gs in his report card, so is the AA(academic)P not about about academic abilities?

aap is more than just math

Understand that but his COGAT 134 and NNAT160, G's and O's on report

what were his cogat subscores?

Verb 120, Quant 125, Non verbal 148

[Anonymous]

That is a large discrepancy and likely the reason behind the denial.

The 120 and 125 are typically under what is accepted to AAP. The committee likes to admit students that are advanced across the board.

It looks like your son has great non-verbal abilities based on his cogat and NNAT, but his verbal and quantitative abilities are not as high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That is a large discrepancy and likely the reason behind the denial.

The 120 and 125 are typically under what is accepted to AAP. The committee likes to admit students that are advanced across the board.

It looks like your son has great non-verbal abilities based on his cogat and NNAT, but his verbal and quantitative abilities are not as high.

So everyone that gets accepted has subscores above 130, that is not what i have seen in previous posts.

[Anonymous]

You sound very argumentative. I understand it is frustrating that your son was not found eligible.
Yours had the GBRS of 6, correct? A GBRS that low will hardly ever be found eligible. Your best shot is to request the file from the AART so you can see the reason behind the GBRS, get a WISC, appeal and hope for the best. Best of luck to you!

[Anonymous]

05/01/2012 12:20

My DD did not get in and sub scores in COGAT are

Verbal --129
Quantitative -- 132
Non-Verbal ---115
GBRS --13

Already attending Level III AAP at school

So we are thinking we should appeal..Please advice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That is a large discrepancy and likely the reason behind the denial.

The 120 and 125 are typically under what is accepted to AAP. The committee likes to admit students that are advanced across the board.

It looks like your son has great non-verbal abilities based on his cogat and NNAT, but his verbal and quantitative abilities are not as high.

My child had much larger discrepencies and got in (although I don't know what GBRS was). Scores were:

Verbal - 107
Nonverbal - 118
Quantitative - 146

I don't think students need good scores across the board. The criteria is that the child NEEDS AAP to meet her needs. If her needs aren't being met in one area, then her needs aren't being met, and she should be in the center.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is a large discrepancy and likely the reason behind the denial.

The 120 and 125 are typically under what is accepted to AAP. The committee likes to admit students that are advanced across the board.

It looks like your son has great non-verbal abilities based on his cogat and NNAT, but his verbal and quantitative abilities are not as high.

My child had much larger discrepencies and got in (although I don't know what GBRS was). Scores were:

Verbal - 107
Nonverbal - 118
Quantitative - 146

I don't think students need good scores across the board. The criteria is that the child NEEDS AAP to meet her needs. If her needs aren't being met in one area, then her needs aren't being met, and she should be in the center.

The above mentioned child had a GBRS of 6. I'm not sure any scores could compensate for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12:31 , and forgot to add that my DC is already in AAP maths and then the teacher gives a GBRS 6 that is an insult.

Instead of thinking of it as an insult, why don't you read the GBRS and maybe look at your child thru the eyes of the teacher. last year DC got a GBRS of 9. Was accepted in the first round, but it made me think about how the teachers saw his abilities. You can see that even kids with a 13 or 14 GBRS can get rejected because that GBRS doesn't match with either the test scores or report card.

If he did not have the ability he would not be in AAP maths when I spoke to his teacher she actually said to me it was not his academic abilities that scored him such a low GBRS but his work habits for which he gets Gs in his report card, so is the AA(academic)P not about about academic abilities?

aap is more than just math

Understand that but his COGAT 134 and NNAT160, G's and O's on report

what were his cogat subscores?

Verb 120, Quant 125, Non verbal 148

I don't know if this will help you, but my DC had similar scores and was rejected out of the pool in second grade. We got a WISC (which was 129 GAI with huge discrepancies in processing speed and working memory compared to everything else). We wrote a letter explaining how the current school was unable to meet her needs. We explained how we had talked to the AART, who said she wouldn't even qualify for Level III services, which didn't make sense to us and that her base school had nothing to take advantage of the perfect score she had receive din nonverbal -- in addition to similar scores on comparable parts of the WISC (her scores in the tother areas were higher on the WISC than the CogAt, which may have helped). She got in on appeal and is doing great in AAP. She has definite weaknesses but they haven't held her bad at all in AAP. In fact, the AAP teachers seem to know how to capitalize on her strengths in a way that her base school did not. She had a GBRS of 12, but I really think her teachers thought she was stupid. She was a very "average" student. She has done so much better in AAP. I shudder to think how this would have gone her her had she stayed in the base school.

[Anonymous]

don't know if this will help you, but my DC had similar scores and was rejected out of the pool in second grade. We got a WISC (which was 129 GAI with huge discrepancies in processing speed and working memory compared to everything else). We wrote a letter explaining how the current school was unable to meet her needs. We explained how we had talked to the AART, who said she wouldn't even qualify for Level III services, which didn't make sense to us and that her base school had nothing to take advantage of the perfect score she had receive din nonverbal -- in addition to similar scores on comparable parts of the WISC (her scores in the tother areas were higher on the WISC than the CogAt, which may have helped). She got in on appeal and is doing great in AAP. She has definite weaknesses but they haven't held her bad at all in AAP. In fact, the AAP teachers seem to know how to capitalize on her strengths in a way that her base school did not. She had a GBRS of 12, but I really think her teachers thought she was stupid. She was a very "average" student. She has done so much better in AAP. I shudder to think how this would have gone her her had she stayed in the base school.

Thanks for your advice, need some moral support to go ahead for WISC etc. Still wondering if a high WISC could overcome a very low GBRS.

[Anonymous]

A high WISC - over 140 - is the only thing that can overcome a 6 GBRS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You sound very argumentative. I understand it is frustrating that your son was not found eligible.
Yours had the GBRS of 6, correct? A GBRS that low will hardly ever be found eligible. Your best shot is to request the file from the AART so you can see the reason behind the GBRS, get a WISC, appeal and hope for the best. Best of luck to you!

My DC was rejected in appeal last year, with GBRS 8 and WICS 132, I don't think high WICS score overcomes the low GBRS, as 6 is very low, not to discourage you.
Just telling our case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12:31 , and forgot to add that my DC is already in AAP maths and then the teacher gives a GBRS 6 that is an insult.

Instead of thinking of it as an insult, why don't you read the GBRS and maybe look at your child thru the eyes of the teacher. last year DC got a GBRS of 9. Was accepted in the first round, but it made me think about how the teachers saw his abilities. You can see that even kids with a 13 or 14 GBRS can get rejected because that GBRS doesn't match with either the test scores or report card.

If he did not have the ability he would not be in AAP maths when I spoke to his teacher she actually said to me it was not his academic abilities that scored him such a low GBRS but his work habits for which he gets Gs in his report card, so is the AA(academic)P not about about academic abilities?

aap is more than just math

Understand that but his COGAT 134 and NNAT160, G's and O's on report

I don't think the committe looks at the G's and O's in the report, as DC had almost all O's and got rejected with GBRS of 11 and was in pool last year.
DC's friends mom told me that her DC's report at the bottom teacher wrote that he is above grade level in math and LA and was accepted.

[Anonymous]

Do you all think the GBRS may be very low since it is a 3rd grade appeal versus a 2nd? Meaning that the teacher think that the child will be fine in Gen Ed with Level 3 for maths and ended up with the 6 GBRS as a result of that though process. I have known a couple other kids who get Level 3 for maths who were not accepted in AAP and the parents attribute it to their not being well-rounded academically but rather very strong in math