Concerns That New Department of Education Earnings Test Could Undermine Arts, Public Service Degree Programs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Well, we shouldn’t be financing such degrees with public loans. If some heiress wants a degree in studio art, she should absolutely be allowed to spend daddy’s money on it, even if the degree will never pay off in a narrow economic sense.

What a self-own this is.

Your family clearly doesn’t have any talent in the arts and you don’t have a home where art, music, dance, and drama are present. If you did, you would support arts education. How sad.

I don't think they don't support arts education. They just don't think the American people should be financing it for students who will most likely default on their loan (as history has shown). There are plenty of full pay families that can continue to pay the tuitions for these humanities programs.

What about financing an education degree? Elementary English - reading?

Was it somehow better to have trained teachers who leave the field because they can’t afford their student loan payments?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Like education?

I don’t know… I kind of feel we should help people who are interested in serving others over self.

We can’t all serve ourselves.

How is it helping anyone to load them down with student loan debt they can never repay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A loss for the arts and rural America, where the salaries aren’t commensurate with the importance or value of the work.

If the salaries are not commensurate then the colleges should not be charging that much money. But I know basic economics escapes you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Well, we shouldn’t be financing such degrees with public loans. If some heiress wants a degree in studio art, she should absolutely be allowed to spend daddy’s money on it, even if the degree will never pay off in a narrow economic sense.

What a self-own this is.

Your family clearly doesn’t have any talent in the arts and you don’t have a home where art, music, dance, and drama are present. If you did, you would support arts education. How sad.

I don't think they don't support arts education. They just don't think the American people should be financing it for students who will most likely default on their loan (as history has shown). There are plenty of full pay families that can continue to pay the tuitions for these humanities programs.

I think it shows a profound lack of education to think this way. You may have training for your job, but you aren't educated if you don't see the value of the arts on society.

We are doomed if we lose the arts. Truly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A loss for the arts and rural America, where the salaries aren’t commensurate with the importance or value of the work.

If the salaries are not commensurate then the colleges should not be charging that much money. But I know basic economics escapes you.

You aren't sounding intelligent with this take. Educating a teacher costs money. Educating a special ed teacher even more.

You think that colleges should not charge the cost of the education?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Well, we shouldn’t be financing such degrees with public loans. If some heiress wants a degree in studio art, she should absolutely be allowed to spend daddy’s money on it, even if the degree will never pay off in a narrow economic sense.

What a self-own this is.

Your family clearly doesn’t have any talent in the arts and you don’t have a home where art, music, dance, and drama are present. If you did, you would support arts education. How sad.

I don't think they don't support arts education. They just don't think the American people should be financing it for students who will most likely default on their loan (as history has shown). There are plenty of full pay families that can continue to pay the tuitions for these humanities programs.

I think it shows a profound lack of education to think this way. You may have training for your job, but you aren't educated if you don't see the value of the arts on society.

We are doomed if we lose the arts. Truly.

So just give young artists debt, debt, and more debt? Living in cars, living in tents, nondischargeable debts that burden their whole lives? Debt with no limit or end? That’s the future you want to see for the arts??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A loss for the arts and rural America, where the salaries aren’t commensurate with the importance or value of the work.

If the salaries are not commensurate then the colleges should not be charging that much money. But I know basic economics escapes you.

You aren't sounding intelligent with this take. Educating a teacher costs money. Educating a special ed teacher even more.

You think that colleges should not charge the cost of the education?

You think it helps to educate teachers who are so burdened by debt that they cannot afford to work as teachers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Well, we shouldn’t be financing such degrees with public loans. If some heiress wants a degree in studio art, she should absolutely be allowed to spend daddy’s money on it, even if the degree will never pay off in a narrow economic sense.

What a self-own this is.

Your family clearly doesn’t have any talent in the arts and you don’t have a home where art, music, dance, and drama are present. If you did, you would support arts education. How sad.

I don't think they don't support arts education. They just don't think the American people should be financing it for students who will most likely default on their loan (as history has shown). There are plenty of full pay families that can continue to pay the tuitions for these humanities programs.

Americans love dysfunction. Won’t fund arts education but an illegal war is fine and dandy.

Let’s stop funding Medicare. We’d never have to worry about government debts again.

[Anonymous]

It’s just a myth that college major correlates exactly to career. English majors become lawyers, bankers as well as teachers and communications professionals. So now we’re turning college into trade school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Like education?

I don’t know… I kind of feel we should help people who are interested in serving others over self.

We can’t all serve ourselves.

Who is going to become a teacher now???

you can become a teacher with a bachelors in any major and get the teaching certificate along the way. teachers do not need to be "Education" majors nor should they, frankly. It is a weak undergraduate degree.
The best teachers do not have that background.

[Anonymous]

Do they give a list of the specific majors?

[Anonymous]

Get old people out of government

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Like education?

I don’t know… I kind of feel we should help people who are interested in serving others over self.

We can’t all serve ourselves.

Who is going to become a teacher now???

you can become a teacher with a bachelors in any major and get the teaching certificate along the way. teachers do not need to be "Education" majors nor should they, frankly. It is a weak undergraduate degree.
The best teachers do not have that background.

Couldn’t agree more. Well said!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Like education?

I don’t know… I kind of feel we should help people who are interested in serving others over self.

We can’t all serve ourselves.

Who is going to become a teacher now???

you can become a teacher with a bachelors in any major and get the teaching certificate along the way. teachers do not need to be "Education" majors nor should they, frankly. It is a weak undergraduate degree.
The best teachers do not have that background.

I sort of agree with you that a history or philosophy major would make a better teacher but this approach seems that you’d have to major in something like accounting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Like education?

I don’t know… I kind of feel we should help people who are interested in serving others over self.

We can’t all serve ourselves.

Who is going to become a teacher now???

you can become a teacher with a bachelors in any major and get the teaching certificate along the way. teachers do not need to be "Education" majors nor should they, frankly. It is a weak undergraduate degree.
The best teachers do not have that background.

Couldn’t agree more. Well said!

Teachers having educational modules and truly learning how to teach and learn is why they’re effective and professors can’t teach to save their life.