“Men’s rights activism”

[Anonymous]

Agree with him on some of the things, he’ll lose interest.

[Anonymous]

What are his main talking points? What is he feeling he needs more rights in? What is he thinking is a double standard?

Sometimes there is push back against men but usually those things have happened in their own way to women and you can focus on how do we make this better for everyone?

So he says it isn't fair that it is considered offensive to call women a sl$t but it is accepted to call men f$ck boys and pigs. You respond with so how do we look at sex and talk about those who enjoy sex more respectfully for everyone?

[Anonymous]

Um I think some of the men’s issues behind this can potentially not be toxic even though many of the men’s right activists have misogynistic views. Men have a lower college education rate, higher suicide rate, lower life expectancy. These are legitimate problems that could be improved upon. However, assuming your son is going down the rabbit hole of woman hating, there are some way to address this. First I would acknowledge some of his points of view that you agree with. Say yes men are struggling with x, y, and Z. Then explain why you are concerned about these organizations. Do not criticize him directly but point out some worries you have about the movement in general.

[Anonymous]

What's wrong with Men's rights activism? We got everything else going on too - women's rights, minority rights, animal rights, environment,...etc. Let him be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is he failing in life? That seems why most men join men’s’ rights groups.

Yeah...I mean I have two sons of 20 and 22 and neither has time for this shit, because they are out doing things in the real world. One has started his own company, raised VC funding and is working like crazy. The other a college athlete around lots of testosterone, but stays very busy and also has no time for this nonsense (and it seems, none of his teammates are also into this nonsense).

Both have girlfriends...that's probably another disqualifier for a Men's rights activist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 22 year old son has joined a couple groups and is now a “men’s rights activist”. He’s an adult, I cannot change his beliefs, but I’m not sure how to deal with the constant talk about men’s rights when he’s at home around family or on the phone. Is there anything that I should do? I also have have 18 and 17 year old sons to worry about.

Duuuuude. This is a problem. But not sure much you can do, other than talk to them about it and challenge them.

I agree to treat it like a cult. And to see what you're dealing with watch Netflix "Manosphere." It's going to be challenging, just being honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with Men's rights activism? We got everything else going on too - women's rights, minority rights, animal rights, environment,...etc. Let him be.

There is nothing "wrong" with it. Though I question the necessity. It's the "how" of the manosphere. They are disrespectful, misogynistic, and hateful, ftmp. And lbh, they're just playing victim b/c they now have to share opportunities. That's not opression.

[Anonymous]

"You are ridiculous and men's rights is nothing."

-Leslie Knope

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Um I think some of the men’s issues behind this can potentially not be toxic even though many of the men’s right activists have misogynistic views. Men have a lower college education rate, higher suicide rate, lower life expectancy. These are legitimate problems that could be improved upon. However, assuming your son is going down the rabbit hole of woman hating, there are some way to address this. First I would acknowledge some of his points of view that you agree with. Say yes men are struggling with x, y, and Z. Then explain why you are concerned about these organizations. Do not criticize him directly but point out some worries you have about the movement in general.

They are legit problems that usually result, at least in part, from toxic ideas about masculinity, gender hierarchies, and coding things like education, vegetables, and empathy as feminine (and therefore icky).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Men's rights activists can be about improving life for men vs attacking him. Have him focus on work place safety, men's mental health, men's rights in family court, men as advocates for their own health (prostate checks, going to the doctor), support for men who are abused or in toxic, unhealthy relationships, men's suicide prevention, men and education, men's substnace use and risk taking etc.

See if you can engage him in those kinds of topics where he can advocate and support men in ways that needed and necessary.

This. If he is saying stuff like "women shouldn't vote" you can ask him how that would improve any of these issues.

Voting is fake and doesn't do anything. I would give up my vote to not have to pay taxes in heart beat.

Debate him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Um I think some of the men’s issues behind this can potentially not be toxic even though many of the men’s right activists have misogynistic views. Men have a lower college education rate, higher suicide rate, lower life expectancy. These are legitimate problems that could be improved upon. However, assuming your son is going down the rabbit hole of woman hating, there are some way to address this. First I would acknowledge some of his points of view that you agree with. Say yes men are struggling with x, y, and Z. Then explain why you are concerned about these organizations. Do not criticize him directly but point out some worries you have about the movement in general.

Men have lower college graduation rates because they are lazy and flunk out at higher rates
Men have higher suicide rates because they are more violent. Women have more depression and have more attempts. Men employ more violent methods.
Men have lower life expectancy because they don't take care of themselves.

[Anonymous]

It’s fair to say to him that the conversation is not going to be productive and then move on to other topics. I do this with my sister and her political beliefs. I basically grey-rock her when she brings it up and either talk about something else or end the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Men's rights activists can be about improving life for men vs attacking him. Have him focus on work place safety, men's mental health, men's rights in family court, men as advocates for their own health (prostate checks, going to the doctor), support for men who are abused or in toxic, unhealthy relationships, men's suicide prevention, men and education, men's substnace use and risk taking etc.

See if you can engage him in those kinds of topics where he can advocate and support men in ways that needed and necessary.

This. If he is saying stuff like "women shouldn't vote" you can ask him how that would improve any of these issues.

Voting is fake and doesn't do anything. I would give up my vote to not have to pay taxes in heart beat.

Debate him.

Until next year when they bring back taxes but then you can't vote them out!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with Men's rights activism? We got everything else going on too - women's rights, minority rights, animal rights, environment,...etc. Let him be.

There is nothing "wrong" with it. Though I question the necessity. It's the "how" of the manosphere. They are disrespectful, misogynistic, and hateful, ftmp. And lbh, they're just playing victim b/c they now have to share opportunities. That's not opression.

Everybody has an opinion and everyone questions someone else's motives. What else is new?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 22 year old son has joined a couple groups and is now a “men’s rights activist”. He’s an adult, I cannot change his beliefs, but I’m not sure how to deal with the constant talk about men’s rights when he’s at home around family or on the phone. Is there anything that I should do? I also have have 18 and 17 year old sons to worry about.

I'm glad my kids only believe in human rights and equality, not in feminism or meninism.