why didnt the US build up EV infrastructure again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:US automakers wrote off $55 billion in EV investments because of Trump. US car manufacturers stopped construction of EV and battery plants in the US after Trump removed the EV incentives. The EV incentives estimated cost to the US government was $10 billion. If the EV and battery plants had been built out the total investment by would have been about $140 billion. The estimates to get Venezuela oil production restored is $100-$180 billion.

The automotive and business press like to frame this as the collapse of the EV market. Maybe in the US market(16% of the world’s new car market) but not in the rest of the world. Last year EVs were 25% of new car sales world wide. This was projected to grow at 20-25% for the next five years when oil was $55 a barrel.

Saw an interesting story on the LNG that has been shut down because of the Iran war. This is 20% of the LNG market. To replace that loss Europe and Asia would have to add the same amount of solar capacity they added last year. It actually cost less to build a solar power plant vs coal, natural gas or nuclear plant. So less money to build, no fuel cost to run and quicker return on your investment because solar plant can be built in a year.

So in otherwords, EV investments to shield the country from energy shocks would have cost the same as how much the department of war pisses away on bombs in a single week.

So much genius american strategy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much time did Biden have to build EV charging stations?

How many did Biden build?

37. These stations require years of studies and planning.

A U.S. Federal Highway Administration spokesperson told PolitiFact the two federal programs have so far funded 37 charging stations. Like gas stations, EV charging stations can have multiple charging points.

Of the 37 federally funded stations built in 13 states, there are 226 charging ports, said Rachael Dussuau, the Federal Highway Administration’s associate public affairs administrator. As of Dec. 3, Dussuau said there are projects underway for 24,800 federally funded charging ports.
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To get money from the 2021 law, states and agencies must submit plans to an office run jointly by the Energy and Transportation departments. The Federal Highway Administration approves the plans; state and local jurisdictions oversee construction.

LOL! And how much money was budgeted? Tesla seems to get it done.

GOP Congress hates America.

[Anonymous]

If they weren’t essentially banned, everyone would buy an EV from BYD. But some in power think that’s a worse problem…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, look at that - US invades yet another ME country, and this time it looks like it is catastrophic. Saudi Aramco is warning global energy infrastructure is on the verge of collapse. It will be real fun paying $9/gallon for gas.

Why has the US not moved on from completely obsolete tech (ICE) that is 200 years old? Iran's threats would matter far less if we had more robust transportation immune to energy shocks. Why is this so hard to understand? EVs FTW
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Resource denial. Specifically, denying cheap fossil fuels to China.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, look at that - US invades yet another ME country, and this time it looks like it is catastrophic. Saudi Aramco is warning global energy infrastructure is on the verge of collapse. It will be real fun paying $9/gallon for gas.

Why has the US not moved on from completely obsolete tech (ICE) that is 200 years old? Iran's threats would matter far less if we had more robust transportation immune to energy shocks. Why is this so hard to understand? EVs FTW
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Resource denial. Specifically, denying cheap fossil fuels to China.

At this point, China barely needs fossile fuels, given the amount of renewables that have been deployed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, look at that - US invades yet another ME country, and this time it looks like it is catastrophic. Saudi Aramco is warning global energy infrastructure is on the verge of collapse. It will be real fun paying $9/gallon for gas.

Why has the US not moved on from completely obsolete tech (ICE) that is 200 years old? Iran's threats would matter far less if we had more robust transportation immune to energy shocks. Why is this so hard to understand? EVs FTW
.

Resource denial. Specifically, denying cheap fossil fuels to China.

At this point, China barely needs fossile fuels, given the amount of renewables that have been deployed.

Don’t lie. https://www.eia.gov/international/overview/country/CHN

Up until 2025, they were the largest oil importer (possibly now surpassed by India). Also look at their coal consumption.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, look at that - US invades yet another ME country, and this time it looks like it is catastrophic. Saudi Aramco is warning global energy infrastructure is on the verge of collapse. It will be real fun paying $9/gallon for gas.

Why has the US not moved on from completely obsolete tech (ICE) that is 200 years old? Iran's threats would matter far less if we had more robust transportation immune to energy shocks. Why is this so hard to understand? EVs FTW
.

Because . . . MAGA.

We're being left behind b/c they long for the days of the horse and buggy. And have made sustainability and environmentalism "radical left" ideals. In short, they are Dumba$$es.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, look at that - US invades yet another ME country, and this time it looks like it is catastrophic. Saudi Aramco is warning global energy infrastructure is on the verge of collapse. It will be real fun paying $9/gallon for gas.

Why has the US not moved on from completely obsolete tech (ICE) that is 200 years old? Iran's threats would matter far less if we had more robust transportation immune to energy shocks. Why is this so hard to understand? EVs FTW
.

Because . . . MAGA.

We're being left behind b/c they long for the days of the horse and buggy. And have made sustainability and environmentalism "radical left" ideals. In short, they are Dumba$$es.

They will drag us back in time to when you could marry your underage cousin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much time did Biden have to build EV charging stations?

How many did Biden build?

Its not just Trump now as PPs are saying, it's that Republiclicans in Congress stymied hus efforts.

Remember when Congress had a voice? Well they used it to keep us from advancing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, look at that - US invades yet another ME country, and this time it looks like it is catastrophic. Saudi Aramco is warning global energy infrastructure is on the verge of collapse. It will be real fun paying $9/gallon for gas.

Why has the US not moved on from completely obsolete tech (ICE) that is 200 years old? Iran's threats would matter far less if we had more robust transportation immune to energy shocks. Why is this so hard to understand? EVs FTW
.

Because . . . MAGA.

We're being left behind b/c they long for the days of the horse and buggy. And have made sustainability and environmentalism "radical left" ideals. In short, they are Dumba$$es.

They will drag us back in time to when you could marry your underage cousin.

This. For MAGA all this points to going back to a time they understood with a social/economic structure that favored them. No need to go to college and take on more complex topics and thinking of we just go back to horse and buggy days. Like so many things in this world it cones down to insecurity and fear or the unknown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much time did Biden have to build EV charging stations?

How many did Biden build?

37. These stations require years of studies and planning.

A U.S. Federal Highway Administration spokesperson told PolitiFact the two federal programs have so far funded 37 charging stations. Like gas stations, EV charging stations can have multiple charging points.

Of the 37 federally funded stations built in 13 states, there are 226 charging ports, said Rachael Dussuau, the Federal Highway Administration’s associate public affairs administrator. As of Dec. 3, Dussuau said there are projects underway for 24,800 federally funded charging ports.
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To get money from the 2021 law, states and agencies must submit plans to an office run jointly by the Energy and Transportation departments. The Federal Highway Administration approves the plans; state and local jurisdictions oversee construction.

After the Trump 2025 funding freeze more than 24,000 charging ports currently under construction or planning across 13 states. There are now over 235,000 publicly available charging ports in the U.S. This is double the number from 2021.

They weren't built using funding from the Biden administration. Private industry built these in response to customer demand. Yes, I know. Evil profit motive. Government chargers would be free?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, look at that - US invades yet another ME country, and this time it looks like it is catastrophic. Saudi Aramco is warning global energy infrastructure is on the verge of collapse. It will be real fun paying $9/gallon for gas.

Why has the US not moved on from completely obsolete tech (ICE) that is 200 years old? Iran's threats would matter far less if we had more robust transportation immune to energy shocks. Why is this so hard to understand? EVs FTW
.

Because . . . MAGA.

We're being left behind b/c they long for the days of the horse and buggy. And have made sustainability and environmentalism "radical left" ideals. In short, they are Dumba$$es.

They will drag us back in time to when you could marry your underage cousin.

This. For MAGA all this points to going back to a time they understood with a social/economic structure that favored them. No need to go to college and take on more complex topics and thinking of we just go back to horse and buggy days. Like so many things in this world it cones down to insecurity and fear or the unknown.

You need to have a chat with the AI guardrail crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, look at that - US invades yet another ME country, and this time it looks like it is catastrophic. Saudi Aramco is warning global energy infrastructure is on the verge of collapse. It will be real fun paying $9/gallon for gas.

Why has the US not moved on from completely obsolete tech (ICE) that is 200 years old? Iran's threats would matter far less if we had more robust transportation immune to energy shocks. Why is this so hard to understand? EVs FTW
.

Because . . . MAGA.

We're being left behind b/c they long for the days of the horse and buggy. And have made sustainability and environmentalism "radical left" ideals. In short, they are Dumba$$es.

They will drag us back in time to when you could marry your underage cousin.

This. For MAGA all this points to going back to a time they understood with a social/economic structure that favored them. No need to go to college and take on more complex topics and thinking of we just go back to horse and buggy days. Like so many things in this world it cones down to insecurity and fear or the unknown.

You need to have a chat with the AI guardrail crowd.

AI is only as good as the people using (ultimately, feeding data into and training) it. Garbage in, garbage out.

[Anonymous]

Because electricity to my home for lights and refrigerators is more important than your sitting in traffic with your Tesla.

I mean transportation is important, but when push comes to shove, there is so much wasted energy running around that people can easily prioritize. But plugging in that EV sends energy bills through the roof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, look at that - US invades yet another ME country, and this time it looks like it is catastrophic. Saudi Aramco is warning global energy infrastructure is on the verge of collapse. It will be real fun paying $9/gallon for gas.

Why has the US not moved on from completely obsolete tech (ICE) that is 200 years old? Iran's threats would matter far less if we had more robust transportation immune to energy shocks. Why is this so hard to understand? EVs FTW
.

Resource denial. Specifically, denying cheap fossil fuels to China.

At this point, China barely needs fossile fuels, given the amount of renewables that have been deployed.

Don’t lie. https://www.eia.gov/international/overview/country/CHN

Up until 2025, they were the largest oil importer (possibly now surpassed by India). Also look at their coal consumption.

The Chinese were filling their strategic reserves because oil prices were low. Unlike what republicans did in the US.

China is going full electrification of their economy. Do they burn coal. Yes. They used coal as a power source while they development renewables and EVs. They are not going to be burning coal in 30 years. Why because coal and all fossil fuels are expensive and makes China dependent on other countries for their energy. They want to be energy independent.

China added 543 gigawatts (GW) of electrical power generation in 2025.
Solar Power: 315 GW
Wind Power: 119 GW
Thermal Power (Coal & Gas): 93 GW
Battery Storage: 66 GW

As comparison the US grid is 1,200 GW. China added the equivalent of a third of the US grid capacity with solar and wind in a year.

China increased its electric grid and reduced emissions by 2% in 2025. China has reached peak oil demand and is rapidly electrifying everything. Their emissions will continue to fall because renewables are taking 80% of the new electrical power generation. Older fossil fuel plants will be taken off line and replaced with renewables. It just takes time. All of this really started in 2023.

China is huge country with the biggest grid in the world. Their goal is to be off oil for transportation(cars, heavy duty semi trucks, short haul ships, construction equipment, etc) as a national security issue by 2050. At the current rate they will have reduced their demand for oil related to transportation by 40% in 2035 when compared to 2023. 54% of new car sales in china are EVs or plug in hybrid with 35% of that being pure EVs. Chinese is 40% of the world new car market.

India is moving faster vs China. They built a bunch of coal plants that are now in financial distress because their operating cost are too high. They will skip the fossil fuel build out that China and the west did because renewables are cheaper and readily available.

India’s electrotech fast-track: where China built on coal, India is building on sun
Cheap electrotech is enabling India to industrialise without the long fossil detour taken by China and the West.
India is forging a better path to the electrotech future of energy. Cheap solar and batteries are enabling India to develop without the long fossil detour taken by the West and China.

When we compare India today with China at equivalent income levels ($11,000 PPP in 2012), several observations emerge:

Rapid solar deployment. In 2012, China had negligible solar generation. In 2025, solar accounted for 9% of India’s electricity generation, up from half a percent a decade earlier. India has a powerful new tool to scale cheap power, and it is using it to spectacular effect.

Much lower coal use. Indian per capita coal generation, at 1 MWh, is roughly 40% of China’s level in 2012. Coal demand is approaching its peak and is very unlikely to follow China’s subsequent ramp-up to around 4 MWh per person.

Rapid growth in EVs. In 2012, China had almost no electric vehicles on the road. By mid-2025, EVs accounted for around 5% of car sales in India and the country is the global leader in electric three-wheeler sales.

Much lower oil demand for transport. India’s per capita road oil demand, at 96 litres, is about half of China’s level in 2012 and is close to peaking. India is not going to rescue the oil industry.

A similar rapid electrification pathway. India’s electrification rate is nearly 20%, comparable to China’s level in 2012, and is growing relentlessly by around five percentage points per decade.

https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/indias-electrotech-fast-track-where-china-built-on-coal-india-is-building-on-sun/