Red Pill Incel vs Volunatary submissive males

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I couldn't care less about cuckholds or incels.
Neither type of broken male is welcome in my life.

People who are into something you aren’t are broken?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the cuckold thing was just kind of a porn genre, are people actually doing this in real life ? Do you really know couples doing this ?

Yes, way way more than you'd think though most people in the lifestyle do not advertise in their vanilla life. It's really all part of the bigger bdsm/swinger/life style thing.

There is literally events that take over entire hotels for weekends at a time.

So does BronyCon and ComiCon; that doesn't mean these are not socially fringe groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This place just keeps getting stranger. Why on earth are we discussing this?

At any rate, seems like the big difference is going to be that anyone who is a "cuckold" has a woman. Incels don't and probably never will even though it is all they want. Sahara desert of difference between the two before you get to any of this nonsense OP is, somewhat bizarrely, rambling about.

My point boils down to this;

Incels and cuckolds are the same origin story. However, cuckolds accept their status, adapt, and live happy (albeit alternative) lives.

Incels, scream into the void about how they were wronged by society, genetics, and women.

Isn't a cuckold a man whose wife cheated on him? They scream into the divorce court as loudly as any incel screams into the internet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I couldn't care less about cuckholds or incels.
Neither type of broken male is welcome in my life.

People who are into something you aren’t are broken?

What do you mean "into something"? It seems this is more of a what happened to you, not what are you into?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I couldn't care less about cuckholds or incels.
Neither type of broken male is welcome in my life.

People who are into something you aren’t are broken?

Does one get “into” being an incel? The very definition, involving the word “involuntary” contradicts that assertion.

The other is just a sexual kink.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This place just keeps getting stranger. Why on earth are we discussing this?

At any rate, seems like the big difference is going to be that anyone who is a "cuckold" has a woman. Incels don't and probably never will even though it is all they want. Sahara desert of difference between the two before you get to any of this nonsense OP is, somewhat bizarrely, rambling about.

My point boils down to this;

Incels and cuckolds are the same origin story. However, cuckolds accept their status, adapt, and live happy (albeit alternative) lives.

Incels, scream into the void about how they were wronged by society, genetics, and women.

Isn't a cuckold a man whose wife cheated on him? They scream into the divorce court as loudly as any incel screams into the internet.

No. - cuckold watches the act take place.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think OP even understands what these two things are. They aren’t remotely similar.

An incel is a man who considers themselves “involuntarily celibate.” They believe themselves to be masters of sexual prowess and they’re being unfairly denied. They lack self-awareness about how they’re fundamentally unattractive for whatever reason (looks, status, money, social skills) and as a result are Big Mad about this and think women owe it to them to have sex. Because of the natural order of things, or something. They adopt Red Pill stuff and cosplay as macho and alphas but in reality are pathetic betas.

Cucks are the complete opposite. For one thing, they’re partnered. And they’re getting laid. It’s a sexual kink — they’re voyeurs only they want to watch their wives or partners have sex with another man, typically a well-hung black one (a “bull” in the fetish nomenclature). Then — and this is key to the fantasy — they “reclaim” her. They get “sloppy seconds.” Gross, I know, and it’s hard to know how real this is versus just a porn subgenre like stepmoms having stepsons. But that’s the genre.

Thing is, incels are by and large stupid. It’s one of the many reasons they can’t get laid. And in their weird little, whiny subculture, they have somehow deduced that a cuck is simply a guy who can’t control his woman (they are big on controlling women, even though none have ever had one, as this controlling attitude is another huge turn-off) is a “cuck.” Any man who in any way acts subservient or deferential to a woman is, to them, a “cuck.” They think this is some huge insult.

And in their weird little echo chamber, it is. But the rest of the real world, which just regards incels as Big Mad Pouty Young Men and really has no understanding or awareness of cuckolding, it’s not. It’s just another weird, fringe term these losers who can’t get laid hurl at each other between Grindr meetups.

So my guess is OP, who doesn’t seem particularly smart, is an incel. Whether or not he gets his dick wet on Grindr is for another thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think OP even understands what these two things are. They aren’t remotely similar.

An incel is a man who considers themselves “involuntarily celibate.” They believe themselves to be masters of sexual prowess and they’re being unfairly denied. They lack self-awareness about how they’re fundamentally unattractive for whatever reason (looks, status, money, social skills) and as a result are Big Mad about this and think women owe it to them to have sex. Because of the natural order of things, or something. They adopt Red Pill stuff and cosplay as macho and alphas but in reality are pathetic betas.

Cucks are the complete opposite. For one thing, they’re partnered. And they’re getting laid. It’s a sexual kink — they’re voyeurs only they want to watch their wives or partners have sex with another man, typically a well-hung black one (a “bull” in the fetish nomenclature). Then — and this is key to the fantasy — they “reclaim” her. They get “sloppy seconds.” Gross, I know, and it’s hard to know how real this is versus just a porn subgenre like stepmoms having stepsons. But that’s the genre.

Thing is, incels are by and large stupid. It’s one of the many reasons they can’t get laid. And in their weird little, whiny subculture, they have somehow deduced that a cuck is simply a guy who can’t control his woman (they are big on controlling women, even though none have ever had one, as this controlling attitude is another huge turn-off) is a “cuck.” Any man who in any way acts subservient or deferential to a woman is, to them, a “cuck.” They think this is some huge insult.

And in their weird little echo chamber, it is. But the rest of the real world, which just regards incels as Big Mad Pouty Young Men and really has no understanding or awareness of cuckolding, it’s not. It’s just another weird, fringe term these losers who can’t get laid hurl at each other between Grindr meetups.

So my guess is OP, who doesn’t seem particularly smart, is an incel. Whether or not he gets his dick wet on Grindr is for another thread.

I disagree. I think that incels are below average mad that women won't worship them and lust after them like they do more attractive and successful men. They want women to lower their standards to them.

While I think cucks are far better than incels, they have to acknowledge their faults, and they sexualize them, but in return are more successful with women. For one, because they arent blaming women. The fact they take pleasure out of letting their partner explore, is a much more evolved and emotionally mature state.

An incel would be a terrible husband because he hates women. A cuck would be a great husband because he puts their partners needs above their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think OP even understands what these two things are. They aren’t remotely similar.

An incel is a man who considers themselves “involuntarily celibate.” They believe themselves to be masters of sexual prowess and they’re being unfairly denied. They lack self-awareness about how they’re fundamentally unattractive for whatever reason (looks, status, money, social skills) and as a result are Big Mad about this and think women owe it to them to have sex. Because of the natural order of things, or something. They adopt Red Pill stuff and cosplay as macho and alphas but in reality are pathetic betas.

Cucks are the complete opposite. For one thing, they’re partnered. And they’re getting laid. It’s a sexual kink — they’re voyeurs only they want to watch their wives or partners have sex with another man, typically a well-hung black one (a “bull” in the fetish nomenclature). Then — and this is key to the fantasy — they “reclaim” her. They get “sloppy seconds.” Gross, I know, and it’s hard to know how real this is versus just a porn subgenre like stepmoms having stepsons. But that’s the genre.

Thing is, incels are by and large stupid. It’s one of the many reasons they can’t get laid. And in their weird little, whiny subculture, they have somehow deduced that a cuck is simply a guy who can’t control his woman (they are big on controlling women, even though none have ever had one, as this controlling attitude is another huge turn-off) is a “cuck.” Any man who in any way acts subservient or deferential to a woman is, to them, a “cuck.” They think this is some huge insult.

And in their weird little echo chamber, it is. But the rest of the real world, which just regards incels as Big Mad Pouty Young Men and really has no understanding or awareness of cuckolding, it’s not. It’s just another weird, fringe term these losers who can’t get laid hurl at each other between Grindr meetups.

So my guess is OP, who doesn’t seem particularly smart, is an incel. Whether or not he gets his dick wet on Grindr is for another thread.

I disagree. I think that incels are below average mad that women won't worship them and lust after them like they do more attractive and successful men. They want women to lower their standards to them.

While I think cucks are far better than incels, they have to acknowledge their faults, and they sexualize them, but in return are more successful with women. For one, because they arent blaming women. The fact they take pleasure out of letting their partner explore, is a much more evolved and emotionally mature state.

An incel would be a terrible husband because he hates women. A cuck would be a great husband because he puts their partners needs above their own.

You literally repeated what I said after declaring you disagree. But I give you credit for being shorter about it.

All this said, I don’t think cucks are really a thing IRL. I’m not saying the don’t exist, I just don’t think it’s more than an ultra rare phenomenon. It’s just more a fringe porn fetish, along the lines of Two Girls, One Cup. (If you are younger, do NOT Google that).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think OP even understands what these two things are. They aren’t remotely similar.

An incel is a man who considers themselves “involuntarily celibate.” They believe themselves to be masters of sexual prowess and they’re being unfairly denied. They lack self-awareness about how they’re fundamentally unattractive for whatever reason (looks, status, money, social skills) and as a result are Big Mad about this and think women owe it to them to have sex. Because of the natural order of things, or something. They adopt Red Pill stuff and cosplay as macho and alphas but in reality are pathetic betas.

Cucks are the complete opposite. For one thing, they’re partnered. And they’re getting laid. It’s a sexual kink — they’re voyeurs only they want to watch their wives or partners have sex with another man, typically a well-hung black one (a “bull” in the fetish nomenclature). Then — and this is key to the fantasy — they “reclaim” her. They get “sloppy seconds.” Gross, I know, and it’s hard to know how real this is versus just a porn subgenre like stepmoms having stepsons. But that’s the genre.

Thing is, incels are by and large stupid. It’s one of the many reasons they can’t get laid. And in their weird little, whiny subculture, they have somehow deduced that a cuck is simply a guy who can’t control his woman (they are big on controlling women, even though none have ever had one, as this controlling attitude is another huge turn-off) is a “cuck.” Any man who in any way acts subservient or deferential to a woman is, to them, a “cuck.” They think this is some huge insult.

And in their weird little echo chamber, it is. But the rest of the real world, which just regards incels as Big Mad Pouty Young Men and really has no understanding or awareness of cuckolding, it’s not. It’s just another weird, fringe term these losers who can’t get laid hurl at each other between Grindr meetups.

So my guess is OP, who doesn’t seem particularly smart, is an incel. Whether or not he gets his dick wet on Grindr is for another thread.

I disagree. I think that incels are below average mad that women won't worship them and lust after them like they do more attractive and successful men. They want women to lower their standards to them.

While I think cucks are far better than incels, they have to acknowledge their faults, and they sexualize them, but in return are more successful with women. For one, because they arent blaming women. The fact they take pleasure out of letting their partner explore, is a much more evolved and emotionally mature state.

An incel would be a terrible husband because he hates women. A cuck would be a great husband because he puts their partners needs above their own.

Different poster.
I don’t see a “cuck” as “letting his partner explore” if the idea is that she is supposed to be “exploring” in the exact way that fulfills his sexual fantasy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think OP even understands what these two things are. They aren’t remotely similar.

An incel is a man who considers themselves “involuntarily celibate.” They believe themselves to be masters of sexual prowess and they’re being unfairly denied. They lack self-awareness about how they’re fundamentally unattractive for whatever reason (looks, status, money, social skills) and as a result are Big Mad about this and think women owe it to them to have sex. Because of the natural order of things, or something. They adopt Red Pill stuff and cosplay as macho and alphas but in reality are pathetic betas.

Cucks are the complete opposite. For one thing, they’re partnered. And they’re getting laid. It’s a sexual kink — they’re voyeurs only they want to watch their wives or partners have sex with another man, typically a well-hung black one (a “bull” in the fetish nomenclature). Then — and this is key to the fantasy — they “reclaim” her. They get “sloppy seconds.” Gross, I know, and it’s hard to know how real this is versus just a porn subgenre like stepmoms having stepsons. But that’s the genre.

Thing is, incels are by and large stupid. It’s one of the many reasons they can’t get laid. And in their weird little, whiny subculture, they have somehow deduced that a cuck is simply a guy who can’t control his woman (they are big on controlling women, even though none have ever had one, as this controlling attitude is another huge turn-off) is a “cuck.” Any man who in any way acts subservient or deferential to a woman is, to them, a “cuck.” They think this is some huge insult.

And in their weird little echo chamber, it is. But the rest of the real world, which just regards incels as Big Mad Pouty Young Men and really has no understanding or awareness of cuckolding, it’s not. It’s just another weird, fringe term these losers who can’t get laid hurl at each other between Grindr meetups.

So my guess is OP, who doesn’t seem particularly smart, is an incel. Whether or not he gets his dick wet on Grindr is for another thread.

I disagree. I think that incels are below average mad that women won't worship them and lust after them like they do more attractive and successful men. They want women to lower their standards to them.

While I think cucks are far better than incels, they have to acknowledge their faults, and they sexualize them, but in return are more successful with women. For one, because they arent blaming women. The fact they take pleasure out of letting their partner explore, is a much more evolved and emotionally mature state.

An incel would be a terrible husband because he hates women. A cuck would be a great husband because he puts their partners needs above their own.

Different poster.
I don’t see a “cuck” as “letting his partner explore” if the idea is that she is supposed to be “exploring” in the exact way that fulfills his sexual fantasy.

Yeah, I think a cuck would have to have MORE confidence than average. The most possessive guys are often the least confident. Letting your DW go out and sleep with others is a dangerous game, and either you don't care about losing said DW or are confident that you won't. Incels are the opposite in pretty much every way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think OP even understands what these two things are. They aren’t remotely similar.

An incel is a man who considers themselves “involuntarily celibate.” They believe themselves to be masters of sexual prowess and they’re being unfairly denied. They lack self-awareness about how they’re fundamentally unattractive for whatever reason (looks, status, money, social skills) and as a result are Big Mad about this and think women owe it to them to have sex. Because of the natural order of things, or something. They adopt Red Pill stuff and cosplay as macho and alphas but in reality are pathetic betas.

Cucks are the complete opposite. For one thing, they’re partnered. And they’re getting laid. It’s a sexual kink — they’re voyeurs only they want to watch their wives or partners have sex with another man, typically a well-hung black one (a “bull” in the fetish nomenclature). Then — and this is key to the fantasy — they “reclaim” her. They get “sloppy seconds.” Gross, I know, and it’s hard to know how real this is versus just a porn subgenre like stepmoms having stepsons. But that’s the genre.

Thing is, incels are by and large stupid. It’s one of the many reasons they can’t get laid. And in their weird little, whiny subculture, they have somehow deduced that a cuck is simply a guy who can’t control his woman (they are big on controlling women, even though none have ever had one, as this controlling attitude is another huge turn-off) is a “cuck.” Any man who in any way acts subservient or deferential to a woman is, to them, a “cuck.” They think this is some huge insult.

And in their weird little echo chamber, it is. But the rest of the real world, which just regards incels as Big Mad Pouty Young Men and really has no understanding or awareness of cuckolding, it’s not. It’s just another weird, fringe term these losers who can’t get laid hurl at each other between Grindr meetups.

So my guess is OP, who doesn’t seem particularly smart, is an incel. Whether or not he gets his dick wet on Grindr is for another thread.

I disagree. I think that incels are below average mad that women won't worship them and lust after them like they do more attractive and successful men. They want women to lower their standards to them.

While I think cucks are far better than incels, they have to acknowledge their faults, and they sexualize them, but in return are more successful with women. For one, because they arent blaming women. The fact they take pleasure out of letting their partner explore, is a much more evolved and emotionally mature state.

An incel would be a terrible husband because he hates women. A cuck would be a great husband because he puts their partners needs above their own.

No. A man who puts his partner’s needs above his own is a man who picks up the kids from daycare and gets dinner started so that his wife can go to the gym after work. Then does the dishes after dinner and makes her tea while she puts the kids to bed so that they can both get some sleep.

It’s NOT a guy who spends his evenings fantasizing about his wife sleeping with other men while he watches or trying to make that happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't fully agree. C*cks find pleasure in their partner receiving pleasure. That's completely antithesis to incels who see women as something for their pleasure only.

No. They receive pleasure through humiliation.

Not always. It can play a part, but it's not for everyone, or even most.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think OP even understands what these two things are. They aren’t remotely similar.

An incel is a man who considers themselves “involuntarily celibate.” They believe themselves to be masters of sexual prowess and they’re being unfairly denied. They lack self-awareness about how they’re fundamentally unattractive for whatever reason (looks, status, money, social skills) and as a result are Big Mad about this and think women owe it to them to have sex. Because of the natural order of things, or something. They adopt Red Pill stuff and cosplay as macho and alphas but in reality are pathetic betas.

Cucks are the complete opposite. For one thing, they’re partnered. And they’re getting laid. It’s a sexual kink — they’re voyeurs only they want to watch their wives or partners have sex with another man, typically a well-hung black one (a “bull” in the fetish nomenclature). Then — and this is key to the fantasy — they “reclaim” her. They get “sloppy seconds.” Gross, I know, and it’s hard to know how real this is versus just a porn subgenre like stepmoms having stepsons. But that’s the genre.

Thing is, incels are by and large stupid. It’s one of the many reasons they can’t get laid. And in their weird little, whiny subculture, they have somehow deduced that a cuck is simply a guy who can’t control his woman (they are big on controlling women, even though none have ever had one, as this controlling attitude is another huge turn-off) is a “cuck.” Any man who in any way acts subservient or deferential to a woman is, to them, a “cuck.” They think this is some huge insult.

And in their weird little echo chamber, it is. But the rest of the real world, which just regards incels as Big Mad Pouty Young Men and really has no understanding or awareness of cuckolding, it’s not. It’s just another weird, fringe term these losers who can’t get laid hurl at each other between Grindr meetups.

So my guess is OP, who doesn’t seem particularly smart, is an incel. Whether or not he gets his dick wet on Grindr is for another thread.

Agreed, this is a big difference. They use it as an insult but have no idea what it actually means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't fully agree. C*cks find pleasure in their partner receiving pleasure. That's completely antithesis to incels who see women as something for their pleasure only.

What if the woman in question receives pleasure from taking a nap?