Red Pill Incel vs Volunatary submissive males

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Anonymous wrote:I don't fully agree. C*cks find pleasure in their partner receiving pleasure. That's completely antithesis to incels who see women as something for their pleasure only.

What if the woman in question receives pleasure from taking a nap?

Your trolling is neither original nor interesting.

I’m not really trolling. I just think it’s kind of ridiculous to imagine that every woman is just looking to have sex with some random dude she has never met before.

This is what the “cucks” and “incels” have in common. You think that women are out there, prowling around, looking to have sex with any guy who isn’t you. And that the fact that women aren’t sleeping with you is some kind of evidence of your own weakness or inability to measure up to some man who is richer or stronger or has a bigger penis.

I don't think anyone is saying that is what all women want. Is it hard for you to believe some women want more partners than their husband? It's a one sided polyamarous relationship. I don't think it's for most people, but if it works for others why should I care?

Men - who actively talk about f***ing everything that walks - can't imagine a man who puts his spouse & her pleasure above themselves.

You don't have to imagine, they do exist! There's also far more men interested in this than women, generally.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't fully agree. C*cks find pleasure in their partner receiving pleasure. That's completely antithesis to incels who see women as something for their pleasure only.

What if the woman in question receives pleasure from taking a nap?

Your trolling is neither original nor interesting.

I’m not really trolling. I just think it’s kind of ridiculous to imagine that every woman is just looking to have sex with some random dude she has never met before.

This is what the “cucks” and “incels” have in common. You think that women are out there, prowling around, looking to have sex with any guy who isn’t you. And that the fact that women aren’t sleeping with you is some kind of evidence of your own weakness or inability to measure up to some man who is richer or stronger or has a bigger penis.

I don't think anyone is saying that is what all women want. Is it hard for you to believe some women want more partners than their husband? It's a one sided polyamarous relationship. I don't think it's for most people, but if it works for others why should I care?

Men - who actively talk about f***ing everything that walks - can't imagine a man who puts his spouse & her pleasure above themselves.

You don't have to imagine, they do exist! There's also far more men interested in this than women, generally.

Oh I'm aware, just laughing at how incredulous these men are at putting someone else first. I feel so bad for their partners!

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I don't think anyone is saying that is what all women want. Is it hard for you to believe some women want more partners than their husband? It's a one sided polyamarous relationship. I don't think it's for most people, but if it works for others why should I care?

Yes. This whole cuck thing is a male fantasy and part of pornography geared towards men.

I absolutely do not believe that there are thousands of women who just spontaneously happen to want to act out a fantasy held and propagated my men. I also don’t believe that a man who would ask his partner to do this either implicitly or explicitly is a good husband or “putting her pleasure first.”

I do believe there are women with low self esteem who will do degrading things in order to keep a man. I believe that there are women in otherwise loving relationships who will act out their partner’s fantasy for him. I believe that there are women who cheat and have one night stands or full blown affairs.

But I don’t believe any of this “cuck” fantasy has anything to do with what women want.

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I don't think anyone is saying that is what all women want. Is it hard for you to believe some women want more partners than their husband? It's a one sided polyamarous relationship. I don't think it's for most people, but if it works for others why should I care?

Yes. This whole cuck thing is a male fantasy and part of pornography geared towards men.

I absolutely do not believe that there are thousands of women who just spontaneously happen to want to act out a fantasy held and propagated my men. I also don’t believe that a man who would ask his partner to do this either implicitly or explicitly is a good husband or “putting her pleasure first.”

I do believe there are women with low self esteem who will do degrading things in order to keep a man. I believe that there are women in otherwise loving relationships who will act out their partner’s fantasy for him. I believe that there are women who cheat and have one night stands or full blown affairs.

But I don’t believe any of this “cuck” fantasy has anything to do with what women want.

If you don’t believe it, then you need to look a bit deeper into the psychology of dominance and submission, as they relate to human sexuality. Please try to approach the issue with a more open mind; it should become more clear then.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the cuckold thing was just kind of a porn genre, are people actually doing this in real life ? Do you really know couples doing this ?

I know a couple where she has a long-term boyfriend of over ten years, and had another before him while married with a few children. Her husband is NOT OK with it and hates the guy. She told him, you can either divorce me now or let me do what I want. So it's forced on him and he suffers the humiliation rather than standing up and acting like a man, and/or kicking her ass out. That is a true cuck from the many decades old common definition of the term. Simple definition, a man who's wife has sex with other men, behind his back or otherwise. She is cucking him. Enjoying the benefits of their union like the financial security and status of marriage, while enjoying the sexual benefits of other partners.

Then there is the Fetish world of cuck where usually, he is the one who suggests it to her that she take on other sexual partners for his desire to be humiliated and who knows what else he gets out of it? Perhaps they still have an active sex life, or perhaps he is denied, or even locked up and sees himself as less of a man to her partners who may be bigger and stronger than him. There are variations of this with titles such as, "Hot Wife", or "Stag and Vixen" where again, the wife has her sexual freedom to partner with whomever she likes, but he is monogamous to her and gets some kind of enjoyment out of it. Some swingers take that route. He may actually be present or he may help her get ready for her date, then when she returns, listen to her recount everything they did and perhaps re-claim her. There are many variations to the theme of course.

I do think that Incels are a different breed altogether. An Incel is more of an angry man who blames women for his failure to find a willing sexual partner, or any woman partner and wants to take back his power by saying he has given up. Removed himself from the market because women are horrible people who don't deserve such a strong willed, Alpha male he perceives himself to be. He may be delusional but still far different than a true cuck who has either been forced to accept his lesser role in the sexual hierarchy, or has actually pursued that role and then tried to introduce it to his partner by touting the benefits to her. An Incel does not see himself as a cuck and does not accept that women have that sexual power and choice that a cuck finds arousing. He needs to put women down for the involuntary humiliation he has suffered.

That's my take on it. I run in kinky circles so I've been adjacent to these different people and observed them with interest, sometimes fascination as I try to figure them out. That does not qualify me to say I have them figured out. I can only go by what they say for things I'll never understand.

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't care less about cuckholds or incels.
Neither type of broken male is welcome in my life.

People who are into something you aren’t are broken?

Cuckholds and incels are broken. Broken beyond repair, to be precise.

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Cuckholds are simply bisexuals and homosexuals who use women as objects to act out the cuckholds' own desire to have sex with men. It's tiresome and repugnant what lengths men will go to in order to avoid facing their shame about being attracted to other men.

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I don’t know what’s a greater indictment of this forum, that this thread was posted, or that it has been allowed to remain.

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I don't think anyone is saying that is what all women want. Is it hard for you to believe some women want more partners than their husband? It's a one sided polyamarous relationship. I don't think it's for most people, but if it works for others why should I care?

Yes. This whole cuck thing is a male fantasy and part of pornography geared towards men.

I absolutely do not believe that there are thousands of women who just spontaneously happen to want to act out a fantasy held and propagated my men. I also don’t believe that a man who would ask his partner to do this either implicitly or explicitly is a good husband or “putting her pleasure first.”

I do believe there are women with low self esteem who will do degrading things in order to keep a man. I believe that there are women in otherwise loving relationships who will act out their partner’s fantasy for him. I believe that there are women who cheat and have one night stands or full blown affairs.

But I don’t believe any of this “cuck” fantasy has anything to do with what women want.

If you don’t believe it, then you need to look a bit deeper into the psychology of dominance and submission, as they relate to human sexuality. Please try to approach the issue with a more open mind; it should become more clear then.

Nah, PP has it right. I can't speak to men in the dom & sub world who are into this, perhaps there's a lot. But no, this is not a fantasy that even approaches what most women want. You seem pretty adamant about insisting this is something lots of women are into. That doesn't make it true or likely. Also not you trying to shame PP about not being "open". We're just not into it buddy.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know what’s a greater indictment of this forum, that this thread was posted, or that it has been allowed to remain.

Yeah this whole thread reads like OP wanting to fetishize the concept and dissect it in detail. Head on over to Fetlife OP, you'll get more engagement there. Leave us to our discussions of lightly fried tuna and pinecone throwing. That's what we're here for.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know what’s a greater indictment of this forum, that this thread was posted, or that it has been allowed to remain.

Yeah this whole thread reads like OP wanting to fetishize the concept and dissect it in detail. Head on over to Fetlife OP, you'll get more engagement there. Leave us to our discussions of lightly fried tuna and pinecone throwing. That's what we're here for.

What about the moonlight hand dances, Bobcat girl?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought the cuckold thing was just kind of a porn genre, are people actually doing this in real life ? Do you really know couples doing this ?

Well there re men who get cheated on who ignore it because they’ve internalized their lack of options

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the cuckold thing was just kind of a porn genre, are people actually doing this in real life ? Do you really know couples doing this ?

Well there re men who get cheated on who ignore it because they’ve internalized their lack of options

Naw, it’s just cheaper to keep her.

The smart ones off the twats.

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't care less about cuckholds or incels.
Neither type of broken male is welcome in my life.

People who are into something you aren’t are broken?

When did she say that? She said these two types of males are broken and nothing about people who are into things she isn’t. Learn to read.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think OP even understands what these two things are. They aren’t remotely similar.

An incel is a man who considers themselves “involuntarily celibate.” They believe themselves to be masters of sexual prowess and they’re being unfairly denied. They lack self-awareness about how they’re fundamentally unattractive for whatever reason (looks, status, money, social skills) and as a result are Big Mad about this and think women owe it to them to have sex. Because of the natural order of things, or something. They adopt Red Pill stuff and cosplay as macho and alphas but in reality are pathetic betas.

Cucks are the complete opposite. For one thing, they’re partnered. And they’re getting laid. It’s a sexual kink — they’re voyeurs only they want to watch their wives or partners have sex with another man, typically a well-hung black one (a “bull” in the fetish nomenclature). Then — and this is key to the fantasy — they “reclaim” her. They get “sloppy seconds.” Gross, I know, and it’s hard to know how real this is versus just a porn subgenre like stepmoms having stepsons. But that’s the genre.

Thing is, incels are by and large stupid. It’s one of the many reasons they can’t get laid. And in their weird little, whiny subculture, they have somehow deduced that a cuck is simply a guy who can’t control his woman (they are big on controlling women, even though none have ever had one, as this controlling attitude is another huge turn-off) is a “cuck.” Any man who in any way acts subservient or deferential to a woman is, to them, a “cuck.” They think this is some huge insult.

And in their weird little echo chamber, it is. But the rest of the real world, which just regards incels as Big Mad Pouty Young Men and really has no understanding or awareness of cuckolding, it’s not. It’s just another weird, fringe term these losers who can’t get laid hurl at each other between Grindr meetups.

So my guess is OP, who doesn’t seem particularly smart, is an incel. Whether or not he gets his dick wet on Grindr is for another thread.

I disagree. I think that incels are below average mad that women won't worship them and lust after them like they do more attractive and successful men. They want women to lower their standards to them.

While I think cucks are far better than incels, they have to acknowledge their faults, and they sexualize them, but in return are more successful with women. For one, because they arent blaming women. The fact they take pleasure out of letting their partner explore, is a much more evolved and emotionally mature state.

An incel would be a terrible husband because he hates women. A cuck would be a great husband because he puts their partners needs above their own.

No. A man who puts his partner’s needs above his own is a man who picks up the kids from daycare and gets dinner started so that his wife can go to the gym after work. Then does the dishes after dinner and makes her tea while she puts the kids to bed so that they can both get some sleep.

It’s NOT a guy who spends his evenings fantasizing about his wife sleeping with other men while he watches or trying to make that happen.

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I can’t even with this whole comparison my face is 😟😦