Should Natural Born US Citizens have more rights than "Naturalized" US Citizens? Why or Why Not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have stripped natural born citizens of their citizenship, largely for terrorism issues. Right now, the left is claiming we can't do it to naturalized citizens but isnt including natural born citizens in the argument.

I think this is a very difficult issue and that revocation should be reserved for terrorism or support for terrorism.

I do not believe that this is correct. Citizenship by birth is granted by the Constitution and there is no procedure to remove that citiznship. Death penalty makes citizenship moot, so there's that.

If you can cite an instance of a natural born citizen having their citizenship revoked, I'm all ears.

Jokes on you America!

[Anonymous]

No. I'm a US-born citizen. Both of my parents were naturalized.

I had it very easy. They "earned" their citizenship through immense work and responsibility. I have so much respect for naturalized citizens, and know many beyond my parents.

[Anonymous]

No, we don’t have a tiered citizenship. We are all Americans! My naturalized husband is as American as me, whose ancestors all date back to the American Revolution. OP go to Europe if you are looking for this. America is different (and special!).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have stripped natural born citizens of their citizenship, largely for terrorism issues. Right now, the left is claiming we can't do it to naturalized citizens but isnt including natural born citizens in the argument.

I think this is a very difficult issue and that revocation should be reserved for terrorism or support for terrorism.

I do not believe that this is correct. Citizenship by birth is granted by the Constitution and there is no procedure to remove that citiznship. Death penalty makes citizenship moot, so there's that.

If you can cite an instance of a natural born citizen having their citizenship revoked, I'm all ears.

Anwar al-Alaki is a famous recent example. He's a natural born citizen.

The UK famously stripped the "jihadi brides" of citizenship. They were teens and engaged in no terrorism, to me this is over the line and I don't support similar measures in the US.

[Anonymous]

No. A citizen is a citizen - equal rights for all.

[Anonymous]

America is the greatest country on earth. The best place to start a career, to take risks, to get rich, to live at the bleeding edge of technology and arts.

Its people are Americans—who’d be here even if it weren’t any of those. Their ancestors were here when it wasn’t.

If you’re like me, a beneficiary of all of that, I insist that you think about them. Think about everything they went through from Jamestown to settling the plains, to carving cities out of West.

Settlers in New England who crossed the Atlantic, coal miners in Appalachian, planters in Dixie, pioneers across the West, navigating the Rockies and drilling for oil and panning for gold on the banks of the Pacific.

Think about all of the fevers that took little children too early, brutalities suffered at the hands of the aborigines, crop failures and families that starved. Think about all the dead young men who never saw their 30s from Bunker Hill to the Alamo to Gettysburg.

In one American lifetime they went from man taking flight from Earth to taking one small step on the Moon. What a people. Think about them and the comforts and opportunities they generously shared with us newcomers—did we ever suffer for them?

Think about that. Have some respect for their roots and history, instead of putting them down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:America is the greatest country on earth. The best place to start a career, to take risks, to get rich, to live at the bleeding edge of technology and arts.

Its people are Americans—who’d be here even if it weren’t any of those. Their ancestors were here when it wasn’t.

If you’re like me, a beneficiary of all of that, I insist that you think about them. Think about everything they went through from Jamestown to settling the plains, to carving cities out of West.

Settlers in New England who crossed the Atlantic, coal miners in Appalachian, planters in Dixie, pioneers across the West, navigating the Rockies and drilling for oil and panning for gold on the banks of the Pacific.

Think about all of the fevers that took little children too early, brutalities suffered at the hands of the aborigines, crop failures and families that starved. Think about all the dead young men who never saw their 30s from Bunker Hill to the Alamo to Gettysburg.

In one American lifetime they went from man taking flight from Earth to taking one small step on the Moon. What a people. Think about them and the comforts and opportunities they generously shared with us newcomers—did we ever suffer for them?

Think about that. Have some respect for their roots and history, instead of putting them down.

Note how you skipped over all the humans who were subjugated and exploited in your neat little "history" there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have stripped natural born citizens of their citizenship, largely for terrorism issues. Right now, the left is claiming we can't do it to naturalized citizens but isnt including natural born citizens in the argument.

I think this is a very difficult issue and that revocation should be reserved for terrorism or support for terrorism.

I do not believe that this is correct. Citizenship by birth is granted by the Constitution and there is no procedure to remove that citiznship. Death penalty makes citizenship moot, so there's that.

If you can cite an instance of a natural born citizen having their citizenship revoked, I'm all ears.

Anwar al-Alaki is a famous recent example. He's a natural born citizen.

The UK famously stripped the "jihadi brides" of citizenship. They were teens and engaged in no terrorism, to me this is over the line and I don't support similar measures in the US.

Are you trying to spread misinformation?

Of course not, right?

Anwar al-Alaki Was still a U.S. citizen when he was killed in a U.S. strike. I suppose beung considered a top general for al-Qaida would be grounds for denaturalization dunce he joined a foreign army. Very specific you notice

As to the other, how about keeping it in the U.S. UK doesn't follow the Constitution

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/legal-memo-backing-drone-strike-is-released/2014/06/23/1f48dd16-faec-11e3-8176-f2c941cf35f1_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:America is the greatest country on earth. The best place to start a career, to take risks, to get rich, to live at the bleeding edge of technology and arts.

Its people are Americans—who’d be here even if it weren’t any of those. Their ancestors were here when it wasn’t.

If you’re like me, a beneficiary of all of that, I insist that you think about them. Think about everything they went through from Jamestown to settling the plains, to carving cities out of West.

Settlers in New England who crossed the Atlantic, coal miners in Appalachian, planters in Dixie, pioneers across the West, navigating the Rockies and drilling for oil and panning for gold on the banks of the Pacific.

Think about all of the fevers that took little children too early, brutalities suffered at the hands of the aborigines, crop failures and families that starved. Think about all the dead young men who never saw their 30s from Bunker Hill to the Alamo to Gettysburg.

In one American lifetime they went from man taking flight from Earth to taking one small step on the Moon. What a people. Think about them and the comforts and opportunities they generously shared with us newcomers—did we ever suffer for them?

Think about that. Have some respect for their roots and history, instead of putting them down.

Sorry, these clowns running the country will never propel the U.S. to glory.

[Anonymous]

USA has swagger again

Losers are out of style

[Anonymous]

I didn't choose to move here, my family did when I was young. But I also understand that my people did not build this nation and I am a non-native inhabitant of this country. I don't believe it's right for me to try to displace my host country with millions of foreigners and try to change its demographics, culture, and language. It's patently absurd to say I'm just as American as someone who can trace his ancestry back to America's founding just because I have legal documents that declare me an American. It's like if a random Frenchman moved to South Korea and started claiming they're just as Korean as my cousins in Korea. It's so absurd flat on its face, yet if you point this out in the West, you're incessantly berated as racist and bigoted.

There needs to be an immigration moratorium in America for at least 2 generations until America can figure out what the heck its identity and unifying culture is. Right now, America does not have any coherent national identity or social cohesion. And muh capitalism and muh meritocracy is the thinnest foundation to form civic society on, which will inevitably devolve into rampant avarice and degeneracy. There is no unifying culture to assimilate to anymore because of the onslaught of multiculturalism.

Nations are a HOME to a shared people of shared history, culture, and ancestry. They are an extension of your own home and community, not an economic zone or just mere plots of land to plunder. Immigration should be highly exclusive, selective, and rare if it happens for cases of generational talent/skills or true asylum, but it's gotten so out of hand in America that unless there's an immigration moratorium, America will just become enclaves of drastically different people groups with different religions & value systems inhabiting the same plot of land (which it kinda already has become).

I want America to be America. I want Korea to be Korea. I want India to be India. I don't want America to be India. I don't want Korea to be America. I don't want India to be Korea.

The preservation of your home is not born from irrational hatred of others but a genuine love for your people and nation.

Globalism is a cancer and Satanic. Stop letting materialism and muh GDP become your only metric of what is good and necessary. Love for your people and your nation means more than just new inventions and more money. But if every other group is allowed to have in-group preferences, I don't see why Western Europeans and Americans can't either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America is the greatest country on earth. The best place to start a career, to take risks, to get rich, to live at the bleeding edge of technology and arts.

Its people are Americans—who’d be here even if it weren’t any of those. Their ancestors were here when it wasn’t.

If you’re like me, a beneficiary of all of that, I insist that you think about them. Think about everything they went through from Jamestown to settling the plains, to carving cities out of West.

Settlers in New England who crossed the Atlantic, coal miners in Appalachian, planters in Dixie, pioneers across the West, navigating the Rockies and drilling for oil and panning for gold on the banks of the Pacific.

Think about all of the fevers that took little children too early, brutalities suffered at the hands of the aborigines, crop failures and families that starved. Think about all the dead young men who never saw their 30s from Bunker Hill to the Alamo to Gettysburg.

In one American lifetime they went from man taking flight from Earth to taking one small step on the Moon. What a people. Think about them and the comforts and opportunities they generously shared with us newcomers—did we ever suffer for them?

Think about that. Have some respect for their roots and history, instead of putting them down.

Note how you skipped over all the humans who were subjugated and exploited in your neat little "history" there.

I appreciate pp's post. S/he extols many of the things that make this nation great. As pp said, "the greatest on earth."
S/he did not claim this country is perfect. Yes, we have our flaws and a sordid history at times. But you cannot deny the great things that the people of this country have accomplished throughout history despite the bad things that have happened. People from all walks of life - people of all races, religions, and backgrounds.

The point of his/her post was not to dwell on the negatives of this country - but to point out the positives - the achievements that have been made throughout the very short history of this nation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn't choose to move here, my family did when I was young. But I also understand that my people did not build this nation and I am a non-native inhabitant of this country. I don't believe it's right for me to try to displace my host country with millions of foreigners and try to change its demographics, culture, and language. It's patently absurd to say I'm just as American as someone who can trace his ancestry back to America's founding just because I have legal documents that declare me an American. It's like if a random Frenchman moved to South Korea and started claiming they're just as Korean as my cousins in Korea. It's so absurd flat on its face, yet if you point this out in the West, you're incessantly berated as racist and bigoted.

There needs to be an immigration moratorium in America for at least 2 generations until America can figure out what the heck its identity and unifying culture is. Right now, America does not have any coherent national identity or social cohesion. And muh capitalism and muh meritocracy is the thinnest foundation to form civic society on, which will inevitably devolve into rampant avarice and degeneracy. There is no unifying culture to assimilate to anymore because of the onslaught of multiculturalism.

Nations are a HOME to a shared people of shared history, culture, and ancestry. They are an extension of your own home and community, not an economic zone or just mere plots of land to plunder. Immigration should be highly exclusive, selective, and rare if it happens for cases of generational talent/skills or true asylum, but it's gotten so out of hand in America that unless there's an immigration moratorium, America will just become enclaves of drastically different people groups with different religions & value systems inhabiting the same plot of land (which it kinda already has become).

I want America to be America. I want Korea to be Korea. I want India to be India. I don't want America to be India. I don't want Korea to be America. I don't want India to be Korea.

The preservation of your home is not born from irrational hatred of others but a genuine love for your people and nation.

Globalism is a cancer and Satanic. Stop letting materialism and muh GDP become your only metric of what is good and necessary. Love for your people and your nation means more than just new inventions and more money. But if every other group is allowed to have in-group preferences, I don't see why Western Europeans and Americans can't either.

America is different. It is a country of immigrants. Very few Americans can "trace their ancestry back to America's founding." We were founded by immigrants and most of our people are descendants of immigrants. The same is not true for most other countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't choose to move here, my family did when I was young. But I also understand that my people did not build this nation and I am a non-native inhabitant of this country. I don't believe it's right for me to try to displace my host country with millions of foreigners and try to change its demographics, culture, and language. It's patently absurd to say I'm just as American as someone who can trace his ancestry back to America's founding just because I have legal documents that declare me an American. It's like if a random Frenchman moved to South Korea and started claiming they're just as Korean as my cousins in Korea. It's so absurd flat on its face, yet if you point this out in the West, you're incessantly berated as racist and bigoted.

There needs to be an immigration moratorium in America for at least 2 generations until America can figure out what the heck its identity and unifying culture is. Right now, America does not have any coherent national identity or social cohesion. And muh capitalism and muh meritocracy is the thinnest foundation to form civic society on, which will inevitably devolve into rampant avarice and degeneracy. There is no unifying culture to assimilate to anymore because of the onslaught of multiculturalism.

Nations are a HOME to a shared people of shared history, culture, and ancestry. They are an extension of your own home and community, not an economic zone or just mere plots of land to plunder. Immigration should be highly exclusive, selective, and rare if it happens for cases of generational talent/skills or true asylum, but it's gotten so out of hand in America that unless there's an immigration moratorium, America will just become enclaves of drastically different people groups with different religions & value systems inhabiting the same plot of land (which it kinda already has become).

I want America to be America. I want Korea to be Korea. I want India to be India. I don't want America to be India. I don't want Korea to be America. I don't want India to be Korea.

The preservation of your home is not born from irrational hatred of others but a genuine love for your people and nation.

Globalism is a cancer and Satanic. Stop letting materialism and muh GDP become your only metric of what is good and necessary. Love for your people and your nation means more than just new inventions and more money. But if every other group is allowed to have in-group preferences, I don't see why Western Europeans and Americans can't either.

America is different. It is a country of immigrants. Very few Americans can "trace their ancestry back to America's founding." We were founded by immigrants and most of our people are descendants of immigrants. The same is not true for most other countries.

This is simply untrue. Millions of white Americans and African Americans have ancestors who were here before 1776.

[Anonymous]

Naturalized citizen here. I have built and sold and built again multiple thriving businesses. I could easily move elsewhere for lower taxes and a better standard of living. Until now, I have stayed in America because I LOVE this country. I cry every time I hear the national anthem. I have read the constitution countless times just for the joy of it. I donate to multiple organizations that exist purely to preserve American history and artifacts and civic society. And once, I really felt as if the country loved me back.

Most people who are discussing this issue are imagining people who don't have other options. You're thinking, for instance, of impoverished Latinos whom you can jerk around by destroying the value of naturalized citizenship without warning and who will have nowhere else to go.

Understand that a very large proportion of naturalized citizens arrived here already very well educated and equipped with everything we need for success. You didn't build us. We came to help build YOU. We did not choose America because we had to. We chose America because this country embraced us with citizenship status equivalent to that of native-born people. This country effectively offered us an adoption process whereby we became not just tolerated guests, which is the case in so many other countries, but part of a family. And we brought all the gratitude that older kids adopted by loving families typically bring.

Look around you at everything in this country that naturalized citizens have built. Everything we have given this country. Do you imagine for one second that Silicon Valley exists without naturalized citizens? Don't you all understand that a disproportionate number of people in the Armed Forces are immigrants? Look at Colin Powell. Henry Kissinger. Zbigniew Brzezinski. And the arts. Have you looked into the citizenship status of many of Hollywood's greatest talents?

If America decides to make second-class citizens out of us, the biggest contributors among us will leave. Other countries are already trying to woo us away. Many of you have no idea how China, for instance, has ramped up its efforts to attract all the academics and business people America is alienating. The native-born Americans who think you are the masters of this nation and so much better than your adopted siblings will find out the hard way why exactly America works so hard to lure the best and brightest from other countries.

We will go elsewhere and we will build other nations and you can have your country back since we're apparently not real Americans. Don't bother looking for offenses with which to strip our citizenship. We'll give it back to you and many other countries will happily rise above you with our help.

I have never been more disgusted in my life by how hateful and envious so many native-born Americans have turned out to be.