Should Natural Born US Citizens have more rights than "Naturalized" US Citizens? Why or Why Not?

[Anonymous]

Are these attempts to create rift between immigrants and descendants of previous immigrants as Native Americans have no say in it?

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Anonymous wrote:Are these attempts to create rift between immigrants and descendants of previous immigrants as Native Americans have no say in it?

Creating a rift between different categories of Americans is at the center of it for sure. Imagine what you can accomplish if the masses are busy arguing with/hating each other.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these attempts to create rift between immigrants and descendants of previous immigrants as Native Americans have no say in it?

Creating a rift between different categories of Americans is at the center of it for sure. Imagine what you can accomplish if the masses are busy arguing with/hating each other.

They want to create a caste system. Well, a more official one that we already have. It’s insane dark enlightenment type BS.

[Anonymous]

It truly is idiocracy. Holy hell.

[Anonymous]

The goal is control. Western values and institutions stand in the way. That’s why they’re flooding only Western countries with immigrants.

It’s social engineering aimed at destabilizing Western identity from the inside out.

Since the early 2000s, think tanks like the Open Society Foundations and World Economic Forum have pushed immigration policies not across the globe but almost exclusively in Western nations countries with deep-rooted Christian and European heritage.

Meanwhile, non-Western powers like China, Japan, and the Gulf states remain untouched and even praised for their tight borders and cultural preservation.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not think there should be two tiers of citizenship, but I do think the US needs a moratorium on most immigration for at least 50 years. We’ve had way too many immigrants from too many disparate groups and cultures in too short of a period. Now we have Ilhan Omar advocating for her home country of Somalia, we have Mexicans waving the Mexican flag around, we have Indians who only hire other Indians and want to bring in lots more Indians on H1bs when Americans should get priority for those jobs. Each group is fighting for its own group and people, instead of for America.

America used to have a powerful ability to transmogrify immigrants into Anglos. We are quickly losing that ability. Today’s immigrants view America as simply an economic zone where they don’t have to give up loyalty to their home countries and people. It has destroyed social cohesion. We need at least two generations to assimilate the existing immigrants.

Have you considered that people like you--with such unthinkingly racist, hostile and arrogant mindsets--are why immigrants of color have not been able to assimilate?

The previous generations of immigrants who you claim were turned into anglos were WHITE immigrants. That has never been an option for visibly non-white immigrants. There is no pathway for immigrants of color to be accepted in America the way white immigrants were and still are. We are perpetual guests in the minds of people like you and THAT is why we cannot fully assimilate and often give up. It has nothing to do with recency of immigration and everything to do with race in this country.

Speaking as a very well-educated, worldly immigrant of color, I have found native-born Americans extremely schizophrenic in behavior. On the one hand, native-born Americans happily exploit the benefits of immigration: the contributions to the tax base, the skill set, the work ethic, and the visionary abilities that immigrants disproportionately bring to the table. On the other hand, native-born Americans dislike immigrants of color and do not see us as equals or as people. They resent and envy us the fruits of our labor when we are successful and they begrudge us the right to seek help from the systems we contribute to when we are in need. Even democrats and liberals who consider themselves our "allies" really like us only to the degree we play our assigned roles in their political machinations. Immigrants of color who are conservative can drop dead as far as democrats are concerned. Republicans typically make no bones about their disdain for us and would prefer all of us who are successful be stripped of our property and status.

White immigrants, however, are treated as legitimate Americans almost immediately. Data and experience establish that my recently naturalized blue-collar Romanian friend who has a thick accent has less to fear from ICE than I, an accentless, upper middle class citizen of 30 years. She comes and goes to Romania as she pleases. I am afraid to travel even for work because every time immigration is on the agenda, such as under Obama, Trump I, and now again, I start getting detained for extra vetting, sometimes held in rooms for hours without explanation, by TSA upon returning to the country.

When you come to America as an immigrant of color, you are initially excited about the country because you believe all the positive PR and you can't wait to begin fitting in. Eventually, however, you realize that fully assimilating into this country is not possible because the people do not want you to take your place as one of them. They want to "other" you and hold you at arm's length, pulling you close temporarily only when you can be of use to them as a political talking point, voter, exotic pet, or source of funds.

The result is that immigrants of color like me--who originally had almost exclusive American friends upon moving here, married a white American, lost my accent, and really threw myself into becoming American--find ourselves isolated and really friendless in the moments of life when we really need people to count on. We see our children othered not only by white people, but even by Americans of color, whose perception of us as white people's pets and resentment of our success, pops up at times like college admissions and job hunts.

The rejection and constant slaps force us and our children to open our eyes to the fact that we will never be American in the eyes of native-born Americans, even as they expect us to cut off all ties to our country of origin as part of a neverending loyalty test. We end up realizing that, even after decades here, the only people who are going to show up for us are still the people from our community of origin. So, we end up retreating back into pockets of our communities because that is what any logical human being would do.

It is extremely unfair and dishonest not to take stock of all the ways in which people like you, PP, smear and reject immigrants before announcing we don't want to fit in.

America has to choose between maintaining whiteness as a standard and building a cohesive nation. So far, elevating whiteness is what you are all choosing.

I imagine when you bring your mixed-race children to your country of origin, they, too, experience that sense of not belonging.

PP here. It's understandable you'd imagine that since white people here like to reject half-white children whose other half isn't white. That's not how it works in my country, however.

Well you need to share your country, then. Because I guarantee that once you do, all of its hypocrisy and terrible events will be revealed. Smugness is often the result of ignorance.

You read that lengthy, insightful post and it was so above your intelligence that all you could come away with is this ego-driven, moronic whine? How emblematic of the widespread stupidity and arrogance running our nation into the ground.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Naturalized citizen here. I have built and sold and built again multiple thriving businesses. I could easily move elsewhere for lower taxes and a better standard of living. Until now, I have stayed in America because I LOVE this country. I cry every time I hear the national anthem. I have read the constitution countless times just for the joy of it. I donate to multiple organizations that exist purely to preserve American history and artifacts and civic society. And once, I really felt as if the country loved me back.

Most people who are discussing this issue are imagining people who don't have other options. You're thinking, for instance, of impoverished Latinos whom you can jerk around by destroying the value of naturalized citizenship without warning and who will have nowhere else to go.

Understand that a very large proportion of naturalized citizens arrived here already very well educated and equipped with everything we need for success. You didn't build us. We came to help build YOU. We did not choose America because we had to. We chose America because this country embraced us with citizenship status equivalent to that of native-born people. This country effectively offered us an adoption process whereby we became not just tolerated guests, which is the case in so many other countries, but part of a family. And we brought all the gratitude that older kids adopted by loving families typically bring.

Look around you at everything in this country that naturalized citizens have built. Everything we have given this country. Do you imagine for one second that Silicon Valley exists without naturalized citizens? Don't you all understand that a disproportionate number of people in the Armed Forces are immigrants? Look at Colin Powell. Henry Kissinger. Zbigniew Brzezinski. And the arts. Have you looked into the citizenship status of many of Hollywood's greatest talents?

If America decides to make second-class citizens out of us, the biggest contributors among us will leave. Other countries are already trying to woo us away. Many of you have no idea how China, for instance, has ramped up its efforts to attract all the academics and business people America is alienating. The native-born Americans who think you are the masters of this nation and so much better than your adopted siblings will find out the hard way why exactly America works so hard to lure the best and brightest from other countries.

We will go elsewhere and we will build other nations and you can have your country back since we're apparently not real Americans. Don't bother looking for offenses with which to strip our citizenship. We'll give it back to you and many other countries will happily rise above you with our help.

I have never been more disgusted in my life by how hateful and envious so many native-born Americans have turned out to be.

+1 million

[Anonymous]

I am surprised that Trump has not signed an EO making English the official language of the United States and that all naturalized citizens must be fluent in English. I would agree with this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am surprised that Trump has not signed an EO making English the official language of the United States and that all naturalized citizens must be fluent in English. I would agree with this

He did:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/designating-english-as-the-official-language-of-the-united-states/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am surprised that Trump has not signed an EO making English the official language of the United States and that all naturalized citizens must be fluent in English. I would agree with this

The fact that you're so stupid and uninformed that you missed not only the executive order, but also the controversy it caused is telling. You're the exact kind of person who would support this kind of measure.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not think there should be two tiers of citizenship, but I do think the US needs a moratorium on most immigration for at least 50 years. We’ve had way too many immigrants from too many disparate groups and cultures in too short of a period. Now we have Ilhan Omar advocating for her home country of Somalia, we have Mexicans waving the Mexican flag around, we have Indians who only hire other Indians and want to bring in lots more Indians on H1bs when Americans should get priority for those jobs. Each group is fighting for its own group and people, instead of for America.

America used to have a powerful ability to transmogrify immigrants into Anglos. We are quickly losing that ability. Today’s immigrants view America as simply an economic zone where they don’t have to give up loyalty to their home countries and people. It has destroyed social cohesion. We need at least two generations to assimilate the existing immigrants.

Have you considered that people like you--with such unthinkingly racist, hostile and arrogant mindsets--are why immigrants of color have not been able to assimilate?

The previous generations of immigrants who you claim were turned into anglos were WHITE immigrants. That has never been an option for visibly non-white immigrants. There is no pathway for immigrants of color to be accepted in America the way white immigrants were and still are. We are perpetual guests in the minds of people like you and THAT is why we cannot fully assimilate and often give up. It has nothing to do with recency of immigration and everything to do with race in this country.

Speaking as a very well-educated, worldly immigrant of color, I have found native-born Americans extremely schizophrenic in behavior. On the one hand, native-born Americans happily exploit the benefits of immigration: the contributions to the tax base, the skill set, the work ethic, and the visionary abilities that immigrants disproportionately bring to the table. On the other hand, native-born Americans dislike immigrants of color and do not see us as equals or as people. They resent and envy us the fruits of our labor when we are successful and they begrudge us the right to seek help from the systems we contribute to when we are in need. Even democrats and liberals who consider themselves our "allies" really like us only to the degree we play our assigned roles in their political machinations. Immigrants of color who are conservative can drop dead as far as democrats are concerned. Republicans typically make no bones about their disdain for us and would prefer all of us who are successful be stripped of our property and status.

White immigrants, however, are treated as legitimate Americans almost immediately. Data and experience establish that my recently naturalized blue-collar Romanian friend who has a thick accent has less to fear from ICE than I, an accentless, upper middle class citizen of 30 years. She comes and goes to Romania as she pleases. I am afraid to travel even for work because every time immigration is on the agenda, such as under Obama, Trump I, and now again, I start getting detained for extra vetting, sometimes held in rooms for hours without explanation, by TSA upon returning to the country.

When you come to America as an immigrant of color, you are initially excited about the country because you believe all the positive PR and you can't wait to begin fitting in. Eventually, however, you realize that fully assimilating into this country is not possible because the people do not want you to take your place as one of them. They want to "other" you and hold you at arm's length, pulling you close temporarily only when you can be of use to them as a political talking point, voter, exotic pet, or source of funds.

The result is that immigrants of color like me--who originally had almost exclusive American friends upon moving here, married a white American, lost my accent, and really threw myself into becoming American--find ourselves isolated and really friendless in the moments of life when we really need people to count on. We see our children othered not only by white people, but even by Americans of color, whose perception of us as white people's pets and resentment of our success, pops up at times like college admissions and job hunts.

The rejection and constant slaps force us and our children to open our eyes to the fact that we will never be American in the eyes of native-born Americans, even as they expect us to cut off all ties to our country of origin as part of a neverending loyalty test. We end up realizing that, even after decades here, the only people who are going to show up for us are still the people from our community of origin. So, we end up retreating back into pockets of our communities because that is what any logical human being would do.

It is extremely unfair and dishonest not to take stock of all the ways in which people like you, PP, smear and reject immigrants before announcing we don't want to fit in.

America has to choose between maintaining whiteness as a standard and building a cohesive nation. So far, elevating whiteness is what you are all choosing.

I imagine when you bring your mixed-race children to your country of origin, they, too, experience that sense of not belonging.

PP here. It's understandable you'd imagine that since white people here like to reject half-white children whose other half isn't white. That's not how it works in my country, however.

Well you need to share your country, then. Because I guarantee that once you do, all of its hypocrisy and terrible events will be revealed. Smugness is often the result of ignorance.

You read that lengthy, insightful post and it was so above your intelligence that all you could come away with is this ego-driven, moronic whine? How emblematic of the widespread stupidity and arrogance running our nation into the ground.

Ego-driven moronic whine? And a knock against intelligence. Oh my. That will hurt someone's feelings.

When I read responses like yours, I'm convinced you 1) don't operate in the real world or 2) use AI to generate your response. Either way, I'm embarrassed for you.

[Anonymous]

I just read through the some of the exceptions. I'm actually fine with all of them. I am particularly interested in having people whose green cards/naturalization papers were fraudulent removed. For example, the DOJ has settled with Apple, Meta, TCS etc. That they committed fraud while conducting recruiting searches. They failed to prove that there were no American's willing and qualified for those positions. When were the green cards revoked?
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-secures-25-million-landmark-agreement-apple-resolve-employment

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-labor-departments-reach-settlements-facebook-resolving-claims-discrimination-against

I'm quite alright if Elon goes and "Makes Africa Great Again", preferably he takes his dark money with him. That would be awesome if Americans could go be expats there, do a little economic tourism.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not think there should be two tiers of citizenship, but I do think the US needs a moratorium on most immigration for at least 50 years. We’ve had way too many immigrants from too many disparate groups and cultures in too short of a period. Now we have Ilhan Omar advocating for her home country of Somalia, we have Mexicans waving the Mexican flag around, we have Indians who only hire other Indians and want to bring in lots more Indians on H1bs when Americans should get priority for those jobs. Each group is fighting for its own group and people, instead of for America.

America used to have a powerful ability to transmogrify immigrants into Anglos. We are quickly losing that ability. Today’s immigrants view America as simply an economic zone where they don’t have to give up loyalty to their home countries and people. It has destroyed social cohesion. We need at least two generations to assimilate the existing immigrants.

Have you considered that people like you--with such unthinkingly racist, hostile and arrogant mindsets--are why immigrants of color have not been able to assimilate?

The previous generations of immigrants who you claim were turned into anglos were WHITE immigrants. That has never been an option for visibly non-white immigrants. There is no pathway for immigrants of color to be accepted in America the way white immigrants were and still are. We are perpetual guests in the minds of people like you and THAT is why we cannot fully assimilate and often give up. It has nothing to do with recency of immigration and everything to do with race in this country.

Speaking as a very well-educated, worldly immigrant of color, I have found native-born Americans extremely schizophrenic in behavior. On the one hand, native-born Americans happily exploit the benefits of immigration: the contributions to the tax base, the skill set, the work ethic, and the visionary abilities that immigrants disproportionately bring to the table. On the other hand, native-born Americans dislike immigrants of color and do not see us as equals or as people. They resent and envy us the fruits of our labor when we are successful and they begrudge us the right to seek help from the systems we contribute to when we are in need. Even democrats and liberals who consider themselves our "allies" really like us only to the degree we play our assigned roles in their political machinations. Immigrants of color who are conservative can drop dead as far as democrats are concerned. Republicans typically make no bones about their disdain for us and would prefer all of us who are successful be stripped of our property and status.

White immigrants, however, are treated as legitimate Americans almost immediately. Data and experience establish that my recently naturalized blue-collar Romanian friend who has a thick accent has less to fear from ICE than I, an accentless, upper middle class citizen of 30 years. She comes and goes to Romania as she pleases. I am afraid to travel even for work because every time immigration is on the agenda, such as under Obama, Trump I, and now again, I start getting detained for extra vetting, sometimes held in rooms for hours without explanation, by TSA upon returning to the country.

When you come to America as an immigrant of color, you are initially excited about the country because you believe all the positive PR and you can't wait to begin fitting in. Eventually, however, you realize that fully assimilating into this country is not possible because the people do not want you to take your place as one of them. They want to "other" you and hold you at arm's length, pulling you close temporarily only when you can be of use to them as a political talking point, voter, exotic pet, or source of funds.

The result is that immigrants of color like me--who originally had almost exclusive American friends upon moving here, married a white American, lost my accent, and really threw myself into becoming American--find ourselves isolated and really friendless in the moments of life when we really need people to count on. We see our children othered not only by white people, but even by Americans of color, whose perception of us as white people's pets and resentment of our success, pops up at times like college admissions and job hunts.

The rejection and constant slaps force us and our children to open our eyes to the fact that we will never be American in the eyes of native-born Americans, even as they expect us to cut off all ties to our country of origin as part of a neverending loyalty test. We end up realizing that, even after decades here, the only people who are going to show up for us are still the people from our community of origin. So, we end up retreating back into pockets of our communities because that is what any logical human being would do.

It is extremely unfair and dishonest not to take stock of all the ways in which people like you, PP, smear and reject immigrants before announcing we don't want to fit in.

America has to choose between maintaining whiteness as a standard and building a cohesive nation. So far, elevating whiteness is what you are all choosing.

I imagine when you bring your mixed-race children to your country of origin, they, too, experience that sense of not belonging.

PP here. It's understandable you'd imagine that since white people here like to reject half-white children whose other half isn't white. That's not how it works in my country, however.

Well you need to share your country, then. Because I guarantee that once you do, all of its hypocrisy and terrible events will be revealed. Smugness is often the result of ignorance.

You read that lengthy, insightful post and it was so above your intelligence that all you could come away with is this ego-driven, moronic whine? How emblematic of the widespread stupidity and arrogance running our nation into the ground.

Ego-driven moronic whine? And a knock against intelligence. Oh my. That will hurt someone's feelings.

When I read responses like yours, I'm convinced you 1) don't operate in the real world or 2) use AI to generate your response. Either way, I'm embarrassed for you.

DP.

You're coming off as a clown. Go to bed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not think there should be two tiers of citizenship, but I do think the US needs a moratorium on most immigration for at least 50 years. We’ve had way too many immigrants from too many disparate groups and cultures in too short of a period. Now we have Ilhan Omar advocating for her home country of Somalia, we have Mexicans waving the Mexican flag around, we have Indians who only hire other Indians and want to bring in lots more Indians on H1bs when Americans should get priority for those jobs. Each group is fighting for its own group and people, instead of for America.

America used to have a powerful ability to transmogrify immigrants into Anglos. We are quickly losing that ability. Today’s immigrants view America as simply an economic zone where they don’t have to give up loyalty to their home countries and people. It has destroyed social cohesion. We need at least two generations to assimilate the existing immigrants.

True on all accounts.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:America is the greatest country on earth. The best place to start a career, to take risks, to get rich, to live at the bleeding edge of technology and arts.

Its people are Americans—who’d be here even if it weren’t any of those. Their ancestors were here when it wasn’t.

If you’re like me, a beneficiary of all of that, I insist that you think about them. Think about everything they went through from Jamestown to settling the plains, to carving cities out of West.

Settlers in New England who crossed the Atlantic, coal miners in Appalachian, planters in Dixie, pioneers across the West, navigating the Rockies and drilling for oil and panning for gold on the banks of the Pacific.

Think about all of the fevers that took little children too early, brutalities suffered at the hands of the aborigines, crop failures and families that starved. Think about all the dead young men who never saw their 30s from Bunker Hill to the Alamo to Gettysburg.

In one American lifetime they went from man taking flight from Earth to taking one small step on the Moon. What a people. Think about them and the comforts and opportunities they generously shared with us newcomers—did we ever suffer for them?

Think about that. Have some respect for their roots and history, instead of putting them down.

I am a foreigner who moved here for grad school in 2007, married a 3rd gen American, and now am an American. I don’t know any of the people or events or locations you are citing. Whatever.

I hate museums and cultural trips so don’t care to learn that way. I like where I grew up better but my job and money is here. Oh well.