Should Natural Born US Citizens have more rights than "Naturalized" US Citizens? Why or Why Not?

[Anonymous]

In some ways naturalized citizens are more american than natural born citizens in the same way that born again christians are more christian than people born into a religious family.

I'm sure there are some naturalized citizens that "hate america" but at least around here, the natural born citizens seems to be the onoes that "hate america"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't choose to move here, my family did when I was young. But I also understand that my people did not build this nation and I am a non-native inhabitant of this country. I don't believe it's right for me to try to displace my host country with millions of foreigners and try to change its demographics, culture, and language. It's patently absurd to say I'm just as American as someone who can trace his ancestry back to America's founding just because I have legal documents that declare me an American. It's like if a random Frenchman moved to South Korea and started claiming they're just as Korean as my cousins in Korea. It's so absurd flat on its face, yet if you point this out in the West, you're incessantly berated as racist and bigoted.

There needs to be an immigration moratorium in America for at least 2 generations until America can figure out what the heck its identity and unifying culture is. Right now, America does not have any coherent national identity or social cohesion. And muh capitalism and muh meritocracy is the thinnest foundation to form civic society on, which will inevitably devolve into rampant avarice and degeneracy. There is no unifying culture to assimilate to anymore because of the onslaught of multiculturalism.

Nations are a HOME to a shared people of shared history, culture, and ancestry. They are an extension of your own home and community, not an economic zone or just mere plots of land to plunder. Immigration should be highly exclusive, selective, and rare if it happens for cases of generational talent/skills or true asylum, but it's gotten so out of hand in America that unless there's an immigration moratorium, America will just become enclaves of drastically different people groups with different religions & value systems inhabiting the same plot of land (which it kinda already has become).

I want America to be America. I want Korea to be Korea. I want India to be India. I don't want America to be India. I don't want Korea to be America. I don't want India to be Korea.

The preservation of your home is not born from irrational hatred of others but a genuine love for your people and nation.

Globalism is a cancer and Satanic. Stop letting materialism and muh GDP become your only metric of what is good and necessary. Love for your people and your nation means more than just new inventions and more money. But if every other group is allowed to have in-group preferences, I don't see why Western Europeans and Americans can't either.

America is different. It is a country of immigrants. Very few Americans can "trace their ancestry back to America's founding." We were founded by immigrants and most of our people are descendants of immigrants. The same is not true for most other countries.

Perhaps not all that different …

In fact, your post illuminates the only thing that the U.S. and Israel ACTUALLY have in common: established as nations of immigrants, savagely killing off the natives in the process. It turns out that yesterday’s manifest destiny with divine ordination is today’s genocide clicked as “preemptive self-defense”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:USA has swagger again

Losers are out of style

Swagger is for fools

Real power is quiet. Ask Xi. Trump knows it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't choose to move here, my family did when I was young. But I also understand that my people did not build this nation and I am a non-native inhabitant of this country. I don't believe it's right for me to try to displace my host country with millions of foreigners and try to change its demographics, culture, and language. It's patently absurd to say I'm just as American as someone who can trace his ancestry back to America's founding just because I have legal documents that declare me an American. It's like if a random Frenchman moved to South Korea and started claiming they're just as Korean as my cousins in Korea. It's so absurd flat on its face, yet if you point this out in the West, you're incessantly berated as racist and bigoted.

There needs to be an immigration moratorium in America for at least 2 generations until America can figure out what the heck its identity and unifying culture is. Right now, America does not have any coherent national identity or social cohesion. And muh capitalism and muh meritocracy is the thinnest foundation to form civic society on, which will inevitably devolve into rampant avarice and degeneracy. There is no unifying culture to assimilate to anymore because of the onslaught of multiculturalism.

Nations are a HOME to a shared people of shared history, culture, and ancestry. They are an extension of your own home and community, not an economic zone or just mere plots of land to plunder. Immigration should be highly exclusive, selective, and rare if it happens for cases of generational talent/skills or true asylum, but it's gotten so out of hand in America that unless there's an immigration moratorium, America will just become enclaves of drastically different people groups with different religions & value systems inhabiting the same plot of land (which it kinda already has become).

I want America to be America. I want Korea to be Korea. I want India to be India. I don't want America to be India. I don't want Korea to be America. I don't want India to be Korea.

The preservation of your home is not born from irrational hatred of others but a genuine love for your people and nation.

Globalism is a cancer and Satanic. Stop letting materialism and muh GDP become your only metric of what is good and necessary. Love for your people and your nation means more than just new inventions and more money. But if every other group is allowed to have in-group preferences, I don't see why Western Europeans and Americans can't either.

America is different. It is a country of immigrants. Very few Americans can "trace their ancestry back to America's founding." We were founded by immigrants and most of our people are descendants of immigrants. The same is not true for most other countries.

This is simply untrue. Millions of white Americans and African Americans have ancestors who were here before 1776.

+1…my mom’s side of the family likely arrived here shorty after the Younger Dryas.

[Anonymous]

I do not think there should be two tiers of citizenship, but I do think the US needs a moratorium on most immigration for at least 50 years. We’ve had way too many immigrants from too many disparate groups and cultures in too short of a period. Now we have Ilhan Omar advocating for her home country of Somalia, we have Mexicans waving the Mexican flag around, we have Indians who only hire other Indians and want to bring in lots more Indians on H1bs when Americans should get priority for those jobs. Each group is fighting for its own group and people, instead of for America.

America used to have a powerful ability to transmogrify immigrants into Anglos. We are quickly losing that ability. Today’s immigrants view America as simply an economic zone where they don’t have to give up loyalty to their home countries and people. It has destroyed social cohesion. We need at least two generations to assimilate the existing immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely not. Having a tiered system with second-class citizens is antithetical to the idea of equality that is central to our national identity. If a naturalized citizen breaks the law, they can go to American jail as an American citizen, along with the natural born American criminals.

Moreover, the Constitution designates both those born in America and those naturalized as citizens, without expressing one route to citizenship as another. If we allow Trump (or anyone) to say that birthright citizenship no longer applies or that naturalized citizens can have their citizenship revoked if they commit crimes, then nobody’s citizenship is guaranteed. The definition of “crime” is a lot more flexible than the definition of citizenship. Moreover, there is a set process to change the Constitution through amendment. It isn’t easy or quick, and it was deliberately designed that way. If we allow the government to override any part of the Constitution (which guarantees our freedom) without following the amendment process, the Constitution is broken and with its loss goes our freedom.

As for “national character”, I call BS. What do you think is America’s national character - New York stockbrokers, California surfers, Kansas farmers, Texas roughnecks, Hollywood filmmakers, tech billionaires, etc.? The national character of America is the melting pot. We are a very large nation of immigrants and our culture reflects the melding of those who came here, whether voluntarily, involuntarily, or were here long before the pilgrims. Aside from the Native Americans who were already here, early New York settlers were Dutch, Louisiana was colonized by the French, and the Spanish explorers starting with Columbus and followed by the conquistadors, left their marks on “the new world”, conquering much of what is now America. Enslaved Africans brought their culture with them, and while much was lost, what remained was embedded in America’s character. Wave after wave of immigrants has come to America, and while many were reviled at the time, they eventually melded into America, integrating parts of their cultures into the “American” culture and assimilating to the point that they could revile the next wave of “other” immigrants, at least until their culture had been similarly integrated in its turn. This is the problem with all those aghast at “cultural appropriation” - it is actually the larger society recognizing value in something new and wanting to adopt it to enrich it’s own culture. It’s the defining feature of American culture that we can find things to value in other cultures to add to our own, while respecting that we are all Americans and that our differences make us stronger.

[Anonymous]

I was brought here legally when I was 3 years old. I am naturalized. This is my home. What rights should I not have you sick f$cks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was brought here legally when I was 3 years old. I am naturalized. This is my home. What rights should I not have you sick f$cks?

You can't be President.

[Anonymous]

I think dual citizenship needs to be eliminated when you are naturalized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was brought here legally when I was 3 years old. I am naturalized. This is my home. What rights should I not have you sick f$cks?

You can't be President.

Yes, that's in the Constitution. It's kind of dumb but it's what I signed up for and would not make a good president anyway. What else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think dual citizenship needs to be eliminated when you are naturalized.

Why do you think that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not think there should be two tiers of citizenship, but I do think the US needs a moratorium on most immigration for at least 50 years. We’ve had way too many immigrants from too many disparate groups and cultures in too short of a period. Now we have Ilhan Omar advocating for her home country of Somalia, we have Mexicans waving the Mexican flag around, we have Indians who only hire other Indians and want to bring in lots more Indians on H1bs when Americans should get priority for those jobs. Each group is fighting for its own group and people, instead of for America.

America used to have a powerful ability to transmogrify immigrants into Anglos. We are quickly losing that ability. Today’s immigrants view America as simply an economic zone where they don’t have to give up loyalty to their home countries and people. It has destroyed social cohesion. We need at least two generations to assimilate the existing immigrants.

Do you feel the same way about St. Patrick’s Day and all the Irish flags? Or Americans who still claim strong ties to Italy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely not. Having a tiered system with second-class citizens is antithetical to the idea of equality that is central to our national identity. If a naturalized citizen breaks the law, they can go to American jail as an American citizen, along with the natural born American criminals.

Moreover, the Constitution designates both those born in America and those naturalized as citizens, without expressing one route to citizenship as another. If we allow Trump (or anyone) to say that birthright citizenship no longer applies or that naturalized citizens can have their citizenship revoked if they commit crimes, then nobody’s citizenship is guaranteed. The definition of “crime” is a lot more flexible than the definition of citizenship. Moreover, there is a set process to change the Constitution through amendment. It isn’t easy or quick, and it was deliberately designed that way. If we allow the government to override any part of the Constitution (which guarantees our freedom) without following the amendment process, the Constitution is broken and with its loss goes our freedom.

As for “national character”, I call BS. What do you think is America’s national character - New York stockbrokers, California surfers, Kansas farmers, Texas roughnecks, Hollywood filmmakers, tech billionaires, etc.? The national character of America is the melting pot. We are a very large nation of immigrants and our culture reflects the melding of those who came here, whether voluntarily, involuntarily, or were here long before the pilgrims. Aside from the Native Americans who were already here, early New York settlers were Dutch, Louisiana was colonized by the French, and the Spanish explorers starting with Columbus and followed by the conquistadors, left their marks on “the new world”, conquering much of what is now America. Enslaved Africans brought their culture with them, and while much was lost, what remained was embedded in America’s character. Wave after wave of immigrants has come to America, and while many were reviled at the time, they eventually melded into America, integrating parts of their cultures into the “American” culture and assimilating to the point that they could revile the next wave of “other” immigrants, at least until their culture had been similarly integrated in its turn. This is the problem with all those aghast at “cultural appropriation” - it is actually the larger society recognizing value in something new and wanting to adopt it to enrich it’s own culture. It’s the defining feature of American culture that we can find things to value in other cultures to add to our own, while respecting that we are all Americans and that our differences make us stronger.

The common culture in America is still Anglo. If you were born and raised in the US, and you visit another Anglo country, you will feel at home there. If you go to Somalia etc, you will not feel at home there unless you have recent ties to the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not think there should be two tiers of citizenship, but I do think the US needs a moratorium on most immigration for at least 50 years. We’ve had way too many immigrants from too many disparate groups and cultures in too short of a period. Now we have Ilhan Omar advocating for her home country of Somalia, we have Mexicans waving the Mexican flag around, we have Indians who only hire other Indians and want to bring in lots more Indians on H1bs when Americans should get priority for those jobs. Each group is fighting for its own group and people, instead of for America.

America used to have a powerful ability to transmogrify immigrants into Anglos. We are quickly losing that ability. Today’s immigrants view America as simply an economic zone where they don’t have to give up loyalty to their home countries and people. It has destroyed social cohesion. We need at least two generations to assimilate the existing immigrants.

Do you feel the same way about St. Patrick’s Day and all the Irish flags? Or Americans who still claim strong ties to Italy?

St Patrick's Day? an excuse to party--not a real cultural experience.
I know people with Italian ancestry. They don't claim strong ties to Italy.

And, they don't have dual ancestry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not think there should be two tiers of citizenship, but I do think the US needs a moratorium on most immigration for at least 50 years. We’ve had way too many immigrants from too many disparate groups and cultures in too short of a period. Now we have Ilhan Omar advocating for her home country of Somalia, we have Mexicans waving the Mexican flag around, we have Indians who only hire other Indians and want to bring in lots more Indians on H1bs when Americans should get priority for those jobs. Each group is fighting for its own group and people, instead of for America.

America used to have a powerful ability to transmogrify immigrants into Anglos. We are quickly losing that ability. Today’s immigrants view America as simply an economic zone where they don’t have to give up loyalty to their home countries and people. It has destroyed social cohesion. We need at least two generations to assimilate the existing immigrants.

Do you feel the same way about St. Patrick’s Day and all the Irish flags? Or Americans who still claim strong ties to Italy?

St Patrick's Day? an excuse to party--not a real cultural experience.
I know people with Italian ancestry. They don't claim strong ties to Italy.

And, they don't have dual ancestry.

edit: dual citizenship