MCSL gender policy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NVSL allows a swimmer to pick their gender at the beginning of each season, they have to keep with that gender for that season once selected.

And follow the suit requirements for male and female suits, consistent with modesty rules.

+1
They have to have an approval letter from the league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NVSL allows a swimmer to pick their gender at the beginning of each season, they have to keep with that gender for that season once selected.

And follow the suit requirements for male and female suits, consistent with modesty rules.

+1
They have to have an approval letter from the league.

I’m sure they’ll enforce with the same rigor they do the transfer rules

[Anonymous]

I think there should just be XX swimming and XY swimming. That's it.

Ok, for the one in a million XXY or whatever, I don't really care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As summer swim season approaches, we noticed our pool has adopted MCSL guidance regarding gender identity. Basically, Swimmers can choose their gender regardless of what it was at birth but if you are nonbinary, you must choose one. There wasn’t any outreach or discussion about this that we’re aware of. Curious what have other pools done- for both policy/guidance as well as community outreach/feedback? Do you allow swimmers to choose their gender? What if the nonbinary individual doesn’t want to choose?

What would be your proposal/solution here for that scenario?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think there should just be XX swimming and XY swimming. That's it.

Ok, for the one in a million XXY or whatever, I don't really care.

This isn't completive swimming. This is rec league. Save the strict rules for when it actually matters if you believe it's about fairness for girls. Let everybody swim on their neighborhood teams however they want.

[Anonymous]

Did any pools solicit community feedback? Our pool seemingly just accepted MCSL guidance and made it policy. It then put that policy front and center on the registration page while it looks like other pool registration pages have buried it with vague language about following MCSL guidance or don’t mention it at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think there should just be XX swimming and XY swimming. That's it.

Ok, for the one in a million XXY or whatever, I don't really care.

Anonymous wrote:
This isn't completive swimming. This is rec league. Save the strict rules for when it actually matters if you believe it's about fairness for girls. Let everybody swim on their neighborhood teams however they want.

People with Y chromosome don't belong in women's sports is going to be sad to Griner in the WNBA, you don't belong there. Yes, it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittney_Griner 6'8" and dunks in games, nah there's no advantage there.
However, kids that have this problem should get used to it sooner than later. Somone sometime has to tell them no, you need to play with the boys. You don't want to be that parent with a college level degenerate man that thinks he's supposed to play with the girls.

I think it is odd though that the Olympics tends to be OK with Y chromosomes but regulates testosterone instead. Doesn't make anysense to me. I kind of get it though. I don't think it's OK for the standard to be that women athletes need to take testosterone supplements or something to compete. Defective testosterone regulation could be an issue reproductively speaking. But, they regulate testosterone, but not Y chromosomes. That is weird. They should both be regulated. IMO it is a gendered activity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there should just be XX swimming and XY swimming. That's it.

Ok, for the one in a million XXY or whatever, I don't really care.

Anonymous wrote:
This isn't completive swimming. This is rec league. Save the strict rules for when it actually matters if you believe it's about fairness for girls. Let everybody swim on their neighborhood teams however they want.

People with Y chromosome don't belong in women's sports is going to be sad to Griner in the WNBA, you don't belong there. Yes, it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittney_Griner 6'8" and dunks in games, nah there's no advantage there.
However, kids that have this problem should get used to it sooner than later. Somone sometime has to tell them no, you need to play with the boys. You don't want to be that parent with a college level degenerate man that thinks he's supposed to play with the girls.

I think it is odd though that the Olympics tends to be OK with Y chromosomes but regulates testosterone instead. Doesn't make anysense to me. I kind of get it though. I don't think it's OK for the standard to be that women athletes need to take testosterone supplements or something to compete. Defective testosterone regulation could be an issue reproductively speaking. But, they regulate testosterone, but not Y chromosomes. That is weird. They should both be regulated. IMO it is a gendered activity.

you do not make any sense. I think you lost a few chromosomes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there should just be XX swimming and XY swimming. That's it.

Ok, for the one in a million XXY or whatever, I don't really care.

This isn't completive swimming. This is rec league. Save the strict rules for when it actually matters if you believe it's about fairness for girls. Let everybody swim on their neighborhood teams however they want.

The logical next question is why is summer separated by gender then, why isn’t everything just mixed events separated by age? I’m sorry, but a 15 year old boy shouldn’t be able to just decide he wants to swim against the girls this season. I’m fine with him swimming in the girls heats, but he shouldn’t be scored against the girls, nor should he be able to compete at all stars or set records as a girl. As the parent of a female athlete, enough is enough with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there should just be XX swimming and XY swimming. That's it.

Ok, for the one in a million XXY or whatever, I don't really care.

This isn't completive swimming. This is rec league. Save the strict rules for when it actually matters if you believe it's about fairness for girls. Let everybody swim on their neighborhood teams however they want.

The logical next question is why is summer separated by gender then, why isn’t everything just mixed events separated by age? I’m sorry, but a 15 year old boy shouldn’t be able to just decide he wants to swim against the girls this season. I’m fine with him swimming in the girls heats, but he shouldn’t be scored against the girls, nor should he be able to compete at all stars or set records as a girl. As the parent of a female athlete, enough is enough with this.

Has this ever actually happened? What boys have girls records?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most kids who switch their gender aren’t good swimmers

That was the case for the biological boy on our team who swam as a girl their last summer on the team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there should just be XX swimming and XY swimming. That's it.

Ok, for the one in a million XXY or whatever, I don't really care.

This isn't completive swimming. This is rec league. Save the strict rules for when it actually matters if you believe it's about fairness for girls. Let everybody swim on their neighborhood teams however they want.

The logical next question is why is summer separated by gender then, why isn’t everything just mixed events separated by age? I’m sorry, but a 15 year old boy shouldn’t be able to just decide he wants to swim against the girls this season. I’m fine with him swimming in the girls heats, but he shouldn’t be scored against the girls, nor should he be able to compete at all stars or set records as a girl. As the parent of a female athlete, enough is enough with this.

Has this ever actually happened? What boys have girls records?

The point is that it should never have the opportunity to happen. Like I said, I’m fine if a kid wants to swim in heats with the opposite sex because of how they identify. That satisfies allowing a trans person to continue to participate, because isn’t that what it is about for them?

[Anonymous]

We have a handful of trans/nonbinary kids at our MCSL pool. All have been willing to choose a gender for the swim season. We have also let a kid switch mid-season (they weren't comfortable coming out until a week or two into the season).

If we had a kid who didn't want to choose, I'd offer to let them swim in the boys category. You could also rename the Boys category Boys and nonbinary.

[Anonymous]

“Announcing event 1, boys and non-binary 8 & under 25 meter freestyle”. Just sounds ridiculous

[Anonymous]

Event 1 is 12 and under 100 IM.