RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines

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Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.

How in the F would you possibly administer placebo for horrific infectious disease in an ethical manner? How is science education m the US so bad?

And what would even be the benefit? We are so cooked as society

Exactly, you cannot run a double blind placebo controlled trial without clinical equipoise. This administration doesn't understand clinical trials 101 and is going to make the US 10000x worse for infectious disease. MAGA, by making it virtually impossible to develop preventative therapies for the worst diseases known to man. Can you imagine if we had this dimwit alive while smallpox was around? Imagine giving placebos to people with smallpox. Utter madness.

Actually, almost all vaccines in the US have gone through double blind placebo testing the only ones approved, not having done this, via the animal rule are: anthrax (three different ones I think) Ebola, and monkey pox/small pox. Education is useful. This just shows how dumber the administration is.

But that's only when it is ethical. If the news is reporting correctly, RFK is saying it is for ALL.

Here's some placebo kiddies, now go out and play in some zika infested woods. Yay.

And I’m saying that all approved vaccines already go through it in phase iii prior to their approval with the exception of the ones listed: anthrax, Ebola and monkey pox. This is not a new thing, it is already happening. There may be trials out there but anything deemed “approved” has already met these standards. The only thing I can think of is that he will make companies do them again (chicken pox or flu vaccine) where currently they are able to rely on the data of the placebo group from the original study.

The flu vaccine formula is updated very year to match the most recent flu strains. It will be literally impossible to a clinical trial with a placebo every year just to update the flu vaccine. That standard would effectively shut down production of annual flu vaccines because the timeline is too short and it would be cost prohibitive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.

Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.

This is something new and it will prevent the production of the flu vaccine altogether. This policy show exactly why we shouldnt appoint a conspiracy theorist nut job lawyer with no healthcare experience to run HHS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.

How in the F would you possibly administer placebo for horrific infectious disease in an ethical manner? How is science education m the US so bad?

And what would even be the benefit? We are so cooked as society

Exactly, you cannot run a double blind placebo controlled trial without clinical equipoise. This administration doesn't understand clinical trials 101 and is going to make the US 10000x worse for infectious disease. MAGA, by making it virtually impossible to develop preventative therapies for the worst diseases known to man. Can you imagine if we had this dimwit alive while smallpox was around? Imagine giving placebos to people with smallpox. Utter madness.

Actually, almost all vaccines in the US have gone through double blind placebo testing the only ones approved, not having done this, via the animal rule are: anthrax (three different ones I think) Ebola, and monkey pox/small pox. Education is useful. This just shows how dumber the administration is.

But that's only when it is ethical. If the news is reporting correctly, RFK is saying it is for ALL.

Here's some placebo kiddies, now go out and play in some zika infested woods. Yay.

And I’m saying that all approved vaccines already go through it in phase iii prior to their approval with the exception of the ones listed: anthrax, Ebola and monkey pox. This is not a new thing, it is already happening. There may be trials out there but anything deemed “approved” has already met these standards. The only thing I can think of is that he will make companies do them again (chicken pox or flu vaccine) where currently they are able to rely on the data of the placebo group from the original study.

Not all of them. There are vaccines for terrible conditions where they have to give active treatment due to ethics, which this seems to want to do away with.

They're probably trying to make it extremely difficult to run trials for vaccines. They'll magically have "data" soon showing how autism rates are declining after vaccine rates decreased due to making them harder to approve. They'll argue it is "evidence" vaccine cause autism therefore we need to severely curtain their approvals and use.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.

How in the F would you possibly administer placebo for horrific infectious disease in an ethical manner? How is science education m the US so bad?

And what would even be the benefit? We are so cooked as society

Exactly, you cannot run a double blind placebo controlled trial without clinical equipoise. This administration doesn't understand clinical trials 101 and is going to make the US 10000x worse for infectious disease. MAGA, by making it virtually impossible to develop preventative therapies for the worst diseases known to man. Can you imagine if we had this dimwit alive while smallpox was around? Imagine giving placebos to people with smallpox. Utter madness.

Actually, almost all vaccines in the US have gone through double blind placebo testing the only ones approved, not having done this, via the animal rule are: anthrax (three different ones I think) Ebola, and monkey pox/small pox. Education is useful. This just shows how dumber the administration is.

But that's only when it is ethical. If the news is reporting correctly, RFK is saying it is for ALL.

Here's some placebo kiddies, now go out and play in some zika infested woods. Yay.

And I’m saying that all approved vaccines already go through it in phase iii prior to their approval with the exception of the ones listed: anthrax, Ebola and monkey pox. This is not a new thing, it is already happening. There may be trials out there but anything deemed “approved” has already met these standards. The only thing I can think of is that he will make companies do them again (chicken pox or flu vaccine) where currently they are able to rely on the data of the placebo group from the original study.

The flu vaccine formula is updated very year to match the most recent flu strains. It will be literally impossible to a clinical trial with a placebo every year just to update the flu vaccine. That standard would effectively shut down production of annual flu vaccines because the timeline is too short and it would be cost prohibitive.

Do they make the flu vaccine in Canada or Mexico? Can Americans go across the border and just get some vaccines from our neighbors if we pay for it?

[Anonymous]

RFK is a murderer who did this before.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rfk-jr-samoa-measles-vaccine-crisis-rcna187787

Sadly, lots of babies are going to have die before people wake up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vaccines are one of humankind's most incredible successes and achievements. A real testament to our ability to problem solve through science. Millions of lives saved and because of one corrupt study almost thirty years ago, Jenny McCarthy, and people butthurt over COVID vaccines, we are throwing it all away.

That short sightedness is one of humankind's greatest downsides.

Jenny McCarthy is a Democrat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.

Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.

This is something new and it will prevent the production of the flu vaccine altogether. This policy show exactly why we shouldnt appoint a conspiracy theorist nut job lawyer with no healthcare experience to run HHS.

I bet RFK is working with DOGE. No flu vaccine= scores of older people dead= big SS and Medicare savings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vaccines are one of humankind's most incredible successes and achievements. A real testament to our ability to problem solve through science. Millions of lives saved and because of one corrupt study almost thirty years ago, Jenny McCarthy, and people butthurt over COVID vaccines, we are throwing it all away.

That short sightedness is one of humankind's greatest downsides.

Jenny McCarthy is a Democrat.

And?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vaccines are one of humankind's most incredible successes and achievements. A real testament to our ability to problem solve through science. Millions of lives saved and because of one corrupt study almost thirty years ago, Jenny McCarthy, and people butthurt over COVID vaccines, we are throwing it all away.

That short sightedness is one of humankind's greatest downsides.

Jenny McCarthy is a Democrat.

And?

Good thing Biden didn't make her HHS Secretary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.

How in the F would you possibly administer placebo for horrific infectious disease in an ethical manner? How is science education m the US so bad?

And what would even be the benefit? We are so cooked as society

Exactly, you cannot run a double blind placebo controlled trial without clinical equipoise. This administration doesn't understand clinical trials 101 and is going to make the US 10000x worse for infectious disease. MAGA, by making it virtually impossible to develop preventative therapies for the worst diseases known to man. Can you imagine if we had this dimwit alive while smallpox was around? Imagine giving placebos to people with smallpox. Utter madness.

Actually, almost all vaccines in the US have gone through double blind placebo testing the only ones approved, not having done this, via the animal rule are: anthrax (three different ones I think) Ebola, and monkey pox/small pox. Education is useful. This just shows how dumber the administration is.

But that's only when it is ethical. If the news is reporting correctly, RFK is saying it is for ALL.

Here's some placebo kiddies, now go out and play in some zika infested woods. Yay.

And I’m saying that all approved vaccines already go through it in phase iii prior to their approval with the exception of the ones listed: anthrax, Ebola and monkey pox. This is not a new thing, it is already happening. There may be trials out there but anything deemed “approved” has already met these standards. The only thing I can think of is that he will make companies do them again (chicken pox or flu vaccine) where currently they are able to rely on the data of the placebo group from the original study.

Not all of them. There are vaccines for terrible conditions where they have to give active treatment due to ethics, which this seems to want to do away with.

They're probably trying to make it extremely difficult to run trials for vaccines. They'll magically have "data" soon showing how autism rates are declining after vaccine rates decreased due to making them harder to approve. They'll argue it is "evidence" vaccine cause autism therefore we need to severely curtain their approvals and use.

Can you identify them because they do not exist outside of the ones previously mentioned. You need to understand the difference between approved vaccines and trials. There are no approved vaccines that have not gone through this process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.

How in the F would you possibly administer placebo for horrific infectious disease in an ethical manner? How is science education m the US so bad?

And what would even be the benefit? We are so cooked as society

Exactly, you cannot run a double blind placebo controlled trial without clinical equipoise. This administration doesn't understand clinical trials 101 and is going to make the US 10000x worse for infectious disease. MAGA, by making it virtually impossible to develop preventative therapies for the worst diseases known to man. Can you imagine if we had this dimwit alive while smallpox was around? Imagine giving placebos to people with smallpox. Utter madness.

Actually, almost all vaccines in the US have gone through double blind placebo testing the only ones approved, not having done this, via the animal rule are: anthrax (three different ones I think) Ebola, and monkey pox/small pox. Education is useful. This just shows how dumber the administration is.

But that's only when it is ethical. If the news is reporting correctly, RFK is saying it is for ALL.

Here's some placebo kiddies, now go out and play in some zika infested woods. Yay.

And I’m saying that all approved vaccines already go through it in phase iii prior to their approval with the exception of the ones listed: anthrax, Ebola and monkey pox. This is not a new thing, it is already happening. There may be trials out there but anything deemed “approved” has already met these standards. The only thing I can think of is that he will make companies do them again (chicken pox or flu vaccine) where currently they are able to rely on the data of the placebo group from the original study.

The flu vaccine formula is updated very year to match the most recent flu strains. It will be literally impossible to a clinical trial with a placebo every year just to update the flu vaccine. That standard would effectively shut down production of annual flu vaccines because the timeline is too short and it would be cost prohibitive.

Yes particularly with respect to the flu vaccine seeing as these change yearly. Perhaps they can create a new category of vaccine “legacy vaccine” where you can circumvent this requirement. It’s idiotic. Maybe they can focus on idiot vaccines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.

How in the F would you possibly administer placebo for horrific infectious disease in an ethical manner? How is science education m the US so bad?

And what would even be the benefit? We are so cooked as society

Exactly, you cannot run a double blind placebo controlled trial without clinical equipoise. This administration doesn't understand clinical trials 101 and is going to make the US 10000x worse for infectious disease. MAGA, by making it virtually impossible to develop preventative therapies for the worst diseases known to man. Can you imagine if we had this dimwit alive while smallpox was around? Imagine giving placebos to people with smallpox. Utter madness.

Actually, almost all vaccines in the US have gone through double blind placebo testing the only ones approved, not having done this, via the animal rule are: anthrax (three different ones I think) Ebola, and monkey pox/small pox. Education is useful. This just shows how dumber the administration is.

But that's only when it is ethical. If the news is reporting correctly, RFK is saying it is for ALL.

Here's some placebo kiddies, now go out and play in some zika infested woods. Yay.

And I’m saying that all approved vaccines already go through it in phase iii prior to their approval with the exception of the ones listed: anthrax, Ebola and monkey pox. This is not a new thing, it is already happening. There may be trials out there but anything deemed “approved” has already met these standards. The only thing I can think of is that he will make companies do them again (chicken pox or flu vaccine) where currently they are able to rely on the data of the placebo group from the original study.

The flu vaccine formula is updated very year to match the most recent flu strains. It will be literally impossible to a clinical trial with a placebo every year just to update the flu vaccine. That standard would effectively shut down production of annual flu vaccines because the timeline is too short and it would be cost prohibitive.

Do they make the flu vaccine in Canada or Mexico? Can Americans go across the border and just get some vaccines from our neighbors if we pay for it?

Yes, they manufacture flu vaccines in both countries and it should not be a problem to get one in either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:USA is absolutely doomed with unbelievable levels of stupidity:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/rfk-jr-require-all-new-vaccines-undergo-placebo-testing

I hate to agree with this nut job RFKjr, but I think this is a good idea. Vaccines should be evaluated uding double-blind placebo tests, as are most drugs. It completely makes sense. The results will calm down the skeptics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.

So you are volunteering?

FFS, how do you think any drugs are tested?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USA is absolutely doomed with unbelievable levels of stupidity:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/rfk-jr-require-all-new-vaccines-undergo-placebo-testing

I hate to agree with this nut job RFKjr, but I think this is a good idea. Vaccines should be evaluated uding double-blind placebo tests, as are most drugs. It completely makes sense. The results will calm down the skeptics.

They already are.