I hate how fraternities brag that they are so great when they reject most students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rush is great preparation for the real world. Not everyone is going to like you, you may not be a good fit or your skills/likeness fit in with the culture and you are exactly what is needed. Go where you are wanted. Most kids these days seem to have a very different view of themselves versus what everyone else sees. Kids from the DC area seem to think they are “better” than kids from other areas and rush may actually be a good wake up call

Don't lie to yourself. You know full well that fraternities and sororities place great weight on a certain look and manner - you need to be handsome in a certain way, presentable in a certain way, and talk in a certain way. And white American for a lot of the frats and sororities. A whole lot of diverse populations who might do very well in the real world get left out of that. The real world is actually much wider and more tolerant than you think it is, with careers to suit a great many intellects and social profiles.

My husband is an Asian MD/PhD on the spectrum - he doesn't do small talk, he doesn't present particularly well, he wouldn't check any of the standard boxes. He would never have had a chance in a Greek life system. How can you be so stupid to believe that rushing is a great preparation for the real world? And yet he's done exceptionally well for himself in the real world, because older people looking for real professional talent aren't as shallow as most young idiots in frats and sororities.

What a moron you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rush is great preparation for the real world. Not everyone is going to like you, you may not be a good fit or your skills/likeness fit in with the culture and you are exactly what is needed. Go where you are wanted. Most kids these days seem to have a very different view of themselves versus what everyone else sees. Kids from the DC area seem to think they are “better” than kids from other areas and rush may actually be a good wake up call

Don't lie to yourself. You know full well that fraternities and sororities place great weight on a certain look and manner - you need to be handsome in a certain way, presentable in a certain way, and talk in a certain way. And white American for a lot of the frats and sororities. A whole lot of diverse populations who might do very well in the real world get left out of that. The real world is actually much wider and more tolerant than you think it is, with careers to suit a great many intellects and social profiles.

My husband is an Asian MD/PhD on the spectrum - he doesn't do small talk, he doesn't present particularly well, he wouldn't check any of the standard boxes. He would never have had a chance in a Greek life system. How can you be so stupid to believe that rushing is a great preparation for the real world? And yet he's done exceptionally well for himself in the real world, because older people looking for real professional talent aren't as shallow as most young idiots in frats and sororities.

What a moron you are.

Did you really just call most of the young adults in Greek houses “idiots”?

[Anonymous]

Even Tri-Lamb didn’t give him a bid!? Rough go for sure Susan. He could always transfer out.

[Anonymous]

I would never advise anyone to rush unless they already had an in at one of the houses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was in a fraternity and think Greek life is absurd in hindsight. But to be fair, most of your first paragraph is basically a description of the real world. This process may not be the worst thing for these kids to experience.

Real world is not totally like that. Yes, you may sometimes get passed over for a job because the other candidate had connections (knows the boss/knows the bosses boss), but 90%+ of getting the job has to do with your work history/your connections that you have built in your professional career, so things that you have control over. I don't go into a job interview where I am judged by how much money I have, how pretty I am, do I wear the "right brand name outfits", etc like sorority or frat rush.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess somebody’s kid didn’t get a bid.

Agreed. Someone has a [major] chip on their shoulder. Their rejection has apparently made a huge impact on their sense of self and confidence. It might be time for them to talk to a professional.

But, moving on: I find that Greek chapters adopt a culture similar to that of their university. Over time, practices, traditions, and operations start to meld; sometimes leading to individual chapters having wildly different ways of doing things. So, if the university is selective, then the Greek system will be as well.

[Anonymous]

Yet DCUM measures the quality of schools by their low acceptance rates. Maybe fraternities are just engaged in yield protection.

[Anonymous]

Many clubs at college are exclusive and hard to join too, some even more so than social Greek life. The just “sign up” clubs often fall apart. Finding a group doesn’t seem as easy as it used to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rush is great preparation for the real world. Not everyone is going to like you, you may not be a good fit or your skills/likeness fit in with the culture and you are exactly what is needed. Go where you are wanted. Most kids these days seem to have a very different view of themselves versus what everyone else sees. Kids from the DC area seem to think they are “better” than kids from other areas and rush may actually be a good wake up call

Don't lie to yourself. You know full well that fraternities and sororities place great weight on a certain look and manner - you need to be handsome in a certain way, presentable in a certain way, and talk in a certain way. And white American for a lot of the frats and sororities. A whole lot of diverse populations who might do very well in the real world get left out of that. The real world is actually much wider and more tolerant than you think it is, with careers to suit a great many intellects and social profiles.

My husband is an Asian MD/PhD on the spectrum - he doesn't do small talk, he doesn't present particularly well, he wouldn't check any of the standard boxes. He would never have had a chance in a Greek life system. How can you be so stupid to believe that rushing is a great preparation for the real world? And yet he's done exceptionally well for himself in the real world, because older people looking for real professional talent aren't as shallow as most young idiots in frats and sororities.

What a moron you are.

Did you really just call most of the young adults in Greek houses “idiots”?

Yes, PP is exceptionally angry and bitter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was in a fraternity and think Greek life is absurd in hindsight. But to be fair, most of your first paragraph is basically a description of the real world. This process may not be the worst thing for these kids to experience.

Real world is not totally like that. Yes, you may sometimes get passed over for a job because the other candidate had connections (knows the boss/knows the bosses boss), but 90%+ of getting the job has to do with your work history/your connections that you have built in your professional career, so things that you have control over. I don't go into a job interview where I am judged by how much money I have, how pretty I am, do I wear the "right brand name outfits", etc like sorority or frat rush.

You say all this and yet admit right in the second sentence that 90% of getting a job involves your connections. Not sure you’re making the counterpoint you think you’re making.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yet DCUM measures the quality of schools by their low acceptance rates. Maybe fraternities are just engaged in yield protection.

Lol great comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would never advise anyone to rush unless they already had an in at one of the houses.

What should a high school senior do to get an “in” and work on getting into a top house?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rush is great preparation for the real world. Not everyone is going to like you, you may not be a good fit or your skills/likeness fit in with the culture and you are exactly what is needed. Go where you are wanted. Most kids these days seem to have a very different view of themselves versus what everyone else sees. Kids from the DC area seem to think they are “better” than kids from other areas and rush may actually be a good wake up call

Don't lie to yourself. You know full well that fraternities and sororities place great weight on a certain look and manner - you need to be handsome in a certain way, presentable in a certain way, and talk in a certain way. And white American for a lot of the frats and sororities. A whole lot of diverse populations who might do very well in the real world get left out of that. The real world is actually much wider and more tolerant than you think it is, with careers to suit a great many intellects and social profiles.

My husband is an Asian MD/PhD on the spectrum - he doesn't do small talk, he doesn't present particularly well, he wouldn't check any of the standard boxes. He would never have had a chance in a Greek life system. How can you be so stupid to believe that rushing is a great preparation for the real world? And yet he's done exceptionally well for himself in the real world, because older people looking for real professional talent aren't as shallow as most young idiots in frats and sororities.

What a moron you are.

I’m not going to resort to name calling but please face reality. Your husband would not be hired for a public facing job because he likely lacks the skills needed. Greek life is essentially a social club. You need to be presentable and have social skills. There are clubs and jobs for everyone. People should know where they would do best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rush is great preparation for the real world. Not everyone is going to like you, you may not be a good fit or your skills/likeness fit in with the culture and you are exactly what is needed. Go where you are wanted. Most kids these days seem to have a very different view of themselves versus what everyone else sees. Kids from the DC area seem to think they are “better” than kids from other areas and rush may actually be a good wake up call

Don't lie to yourself. You know full well that fraternities and sororities place great weight on a certain look and manner - you need to be handsome in a certain way, presentable in a certain way, and talk in a certain way. And white American for a lot of the frats and sororities. A whole lot of diverse populations who might do very well in the real world get left out of that. The real world is actually much wider and more tolerant than you think it is, with careers to suit a great many intellects and social profiles.

My husband is an Asian MD/PhD on the spectrum - he doesn't do small talk, he doesn't present particularly well, he wouldn't check any of the standard boxes. He would never have had a chance in a Greek life system. How can you be so stupid to believe that rushing is a great preparation for the real world? And yet he's done exceptionally well for himself in the real world, because older people looking for real professional talent aren't as shallow as most young idiots in frats and sororities.

What a moron you are.

DP. Would he even want to be in a fraternity? I am similar and would have actively hated it.

The biggest misconception is that you somehow need to join a frat to be successful. Or have a social life. Or for any reason other than you want to pay some people to be friends. What a ripoff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never advise anyone to rush unless they already had an in at one of the houses.

What should a high school senior do to get an “in” and work on getting into a top house?

They don’t need to be in a “top
House”! They need to be in a house where they gel with the other guys and feel comfortable. Trust me, you don’t want your kid in a top house. If by chance you do, the only thing they can do is dirty rush while on campus. Most of those chapters only take people they’ve gotten to know or went to a particular private high school where they will know some of the brothers.