Why such an emphasis on holistically building a class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so everyone isn't the same robot STEM kid.
seriously......

balance. a great American college experience is based on diversity of life experiences, thought, interests, background, majors, etc.

also, it allows them to pick students they KNOW will succeed (get jobs, not drop out, etc)

lastly, holistic admissions allows them to make sure they have students in ALL departments.

But why does this matter? I ask this as an engineering graduate from a large university. They didn't care about a holistic class.

Most elite schools want to create a community of students with different interests and strengths. It’s what makes Yale a great school and Carnegie Mellon a drag full of kids who look unhappy. Failure to do this drags a school down, as is happening now at Princeton as it becomes so STEM-focused.

[Anonymous]

This is not just a feature of 'elite' schools.

[Anonymous]

I always see someone mentioning the marching band. Do schools really care about that?… Except for THE Ohio State?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so everyone isn't the same robot STEM kid.
seriously......

balance. a great American college experience is based on diversity of life experiences, thought, interests, background, majors, etc.

also, it allows them to pick students they KNOW will succeed (get jobs, not drop out, etc)

lastly, holistic admissions allows them to make sure they have students in ALL departments.

But why does this matter? I ask this as an engineering graduate from a large university. They didn't care about a holistic class.

Most elite schools want to create a community of students with different interests and strengths. It’s what makes Yale a great school and Carnegie Mellon a drag full of kids who look unhappy. Failure to do this drags a school down, as is happening now at Princeton as it becomes so STEM-focused.

Very very good point. What other schools are falling into the Princeton trap?

[Anonymous]

One thing that’s missing- most elite schools can’t support 100% of their classes being the same 3 majors. They need people to subscribe to their other departments.

It’s also good to have students with excellence in a lot of different areas. To be Frank, few people get famous off of engineering or science even at the elite level, so you wanna cast the net wide for the highest probability of getting an impactful, important alum

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so everyone isn't the same robot STEM kid.
seriously......

balance. a great American college experience is based on diversity of life experiences, thought, interests, background, majors, etc.

also, it allows them to pick students they KNOW will succeed (get jobs, not drop out, etc)

lastly, holistic admissions allows them to make sure they have students in ALL departments.

But why does this matter? I ask this as an engineering graduate from a large university. They didn't care about a holistic class.

Most elite schools want to create a community of students with different interests and strengths. It’s what makes Yale a great school and Carnegie Mellon a drag full of kids who look unhappy. Failure to do this drags a school down, as is happening now at Princeton as it becomes so STEM-focused.

Very very good point. What other schools are falling into the Princeton trap?

Many liberal arts colleges. Williams in particular is a complete drab place to study these days, because the culture is so Science and Math heavy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so everyone isn't the same robot STEM kid.
seriously......

balance. a great American college experience is based on diversity of life experiences, thought, interests, background, majors, etc.

also, it allows them to pick students they KNOW will succeed (get jobs, not drop out, etc)

lastly, holistic admissions allows them to make sure they have students in ALL departments.

But why does this matter? I ask this as an engineering graduate from a large university. They didn't care about a holistic class.

Most elite schools want to create a community of students with different interests and strengths. It’s what makes Yale a great school and Carnegie Mellon a drag full of kids who look unhappy. Failure to do this drags a school down, as is happening now at Princeton as it becomes so STEM-focused.

Very very good point. What other schools are falling into the Princeton trap?

Many liberal arts colleges. Williams in particular is a complete drab place to study these days, because the culture is so Science and Math heavy

Where can we find a list?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing that’s missing- most elite schools can’t support 100% of their classes being the same 3 majors. They need people to subscribe to their other departments.

It’s also good to have students with excellence in a lot of different areas. To be Frank, few people get famous off of engineering or science even at the elite level, so you wanna cast the net wide for the highest probability of getting an impactful, important alum

This is true. Also in terms of creating a broad network that will benefit future alums in job searches you want to have people working in business and politics and academia and the non-profit world. Even if these people are not famous they will be a link between the school and the rest of the world. Keep in mind that not everyone who does hiring at places like Google or meta is an engineer -- some of them were business or marketing majors or English majors who became lawyers or whatever. And they can still help out the engineering students. You want people to associate the school's name with smart and productive people who know how to lead and think creatively and not just in one or two areas. It's not a trade school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so everyone isn't the same robot STEM kid.
seriously......

balance. a great American college experience is based on diversity of life experiences, thought, interests, background, majors, etc.

also, it allows them to pick students they KNOW will succeed (get jobs, not drop out, etc)

lastly, holistic admissions allows them to make sure they have students in ALL departments.

But why does this matter? I ask this as an engineering graduate from a large university. They didn't care about a holistic class.

Most elite schools want to create a community of students with different interests and strengths. It’s what makes Yale a great school and Carnegie Mellon a drag full of kids who look unhappy. Failure to do this drags a school down, as is happening now at Princeton as it becomes so STEM-focused.

Very very good point. What other schools are falling into the Princeton trap?

Many liberal arts colleges. Williams in particular is a complete drab place to study these days, because the culture is so Science and Math heavy

Where can we find a list?

Not sure about a list but snoop through a colleges newspaper and put in the keyword “STEM” and see if students are complaining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Somehow the best universities in this country have figured something out about how to get results. They don’t need your input.

Douché

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing that’s missing- most elite schools can’t support 100% of their classes being the same 3 majors. They need people to subscribe to their other departments.

It’s also good to have students with excellence in a lot of different areas. To be Frank, few people get famous off of engineering or science even at the elite level, so you wanna cast the net wide for the highest probability of getting an impactful, important alum

Holistic admissions doesn't mean not admitting to the same 3 majors. It means admitting a variety of students to those 3 majors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:no one, esp a 17/18 yo senior (or if you are DCUM 19/20 yo senior), that gets into a test score only school is picking it over a school that curates a class a la IVY+

Why would my HS senior be 20 years old because I read DCUM? What is this a dig at?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that’s missing- most elite schools can’t support 100% of their classes being the same 3 majors. They need people to subscribe to their other departments.

It’s also good to have students with excellence in a lot of different areas. To be Frank, few people get famous off of engineering or science even at the elite level, so you wanna cast the net wide for the highest probability of getting an impactful, important alum

Holistic admissions doesn't mean not admitting to the same 3 majors. It means admitting a variety of students to those 3 majors.

No it’s also a population control element. Someone has to be in the classics department, even if they’re lower tier than the CS majors. Same with area studies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:no one, esp a 17/18 yo senior (or if you are DCUM 19/20 yo senior), that gets into a test score only school is picking it over a school that curates a class a la IVY+

Why would my HS senior be 20 years old because I read DCUM? What is this a dig at?

Starting Kindergarten late

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that’s missing- most elite schools can’t support 100% of their classes being the same 3 majors. They need people to subscribe to their other departments.

It’s also good to have students with excellence in a lot of different areas. To be Frank, few people get famous off of engineering or science even at the elite level, so you wanna cast the net wide for the highest probability of getting an impactful, important alum

Holistic admissions doesn't mean not admitting to the same 3 majors. It means admitting a variety of students to those 3 majors.

No it’s also a population control element. Someone has to be in the classics department, even if they’re lower tier than the CS majors. Same with area studies.

"Lower tier"?