Why such an emphasis on holistically building a class?

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Anonymous wrote:Studies have consistently shown that diversity leads to success. The more diverse a business, the greater the profitability. This is because diversity brings many different viewpoints and experiences. If you don't believe me, read the article below...

https://online.uncp.edu/degrees/business/mba/general/diversity-and-inclusion-good-for-business/

Read that McKinsey report more closely. They mention minorities not underrepresented minorities. They are talking about companies with more asians being more profitable than companies than are almost exclusively white. It's not diversity that makes them profitable, it's having more asians.

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Anonymous wrote:so everyone isn't the same robot STEM kid.
seriously......

balance. a great American college experience is based on diversity of life experiences, thought, interests, background, majors, etc.

also, it allows them to pick students they KNOW will succeed (get jobs, not drop out, etc)

lastly, holistic admissions allows them to make sure they have students in ALL departments.

this. its not india people.

Also, we don't need Engineering schools because we can import better educated Indians who weren't held back by equity-focused education.

India has affirmative action, doesn't it?

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Anonymous wrote:no one, esp a 17/18 yo senior (or if you are DCUM 19/20 yo senior), that gets into a test score only school is picking it over a school that curates a class a la IVY+

Why are DC kids so much older in HS?? 19/20 is wayyyyy too old for HS.

People around here redshirt their kids for school and "play up" for sports.

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Anonymous wrote:When you only have 1500-1700 kids per class like most small elite universities, you want to have an interesting mix. You don't want everyone to be a CS nerd, pre-med, or future consultant.

That's what they say, but the reality is that it means "we want more blacks, we don't want too many Asians". That is the working definition of "interesting".

I mean... black american culture is the most consumed culture in the world by far. :)

In any case, people are sleeping on fact that one result of getting rid of AA will be a huge increase in blk student SAT scores in a few years. And those students will still be just as "interesting" as they are now.

Unclear why this person is still complaining about asian racism, what more do you want?

Then why the F*k didn't we get rid of it sooner?

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Anonymous wrote:All the TO talk makes me wonder - what's the point of creating a specific class to your standards, whatever those standards are? Just a prestige thing?

I don't see how this is a prestige thing. Exposure to peers with a diversity of backgrounds, thoughts, geographies, etc is crucial to an enriching educational experience.

What you are describing is a white people thing. Most minorities have already co-existed in environments diverse in the examples you give. You make it seem so precious and rare. Maybe if you stopped segregating k-12 and making your kids live in your life bubble, they could worry as adults about more important things such as getting the best education they can. Now if you're talking about international students from around the world who have the same academic ability, then sure.

You have no idea what race I am or my kids are or where my kids live or have gone to school but nice try.

Very minority of you to say something like that. Or not. If your kid was already in a diverse environment in k-12, then they wouldn't need to learn how to navigate in one as an adult. And if that's true then that is the parent's fault.
BTW, was that you who ran the PTA at school and was so over the top woke only in those settings and their kids only played with kids that looked like them? Or did you coach or bro around with the coach in my kids' sports teams and gave them little playing time even though they were better than your kid and most of the other kids? Or did you bulldoze your way into the gifted clusters so learning screeched to a halt? Any one example is not specific to you because I don't know you but they represent people like you. You get so offended and take it personally when a statement about minority kids not needing to learn how to experience diversity as adults is blatantly true. Minorities have had to deal with a sense of not belonging and loss all the time and prove that they belonged in white society.

DP. My, you have a chip on your shoulder and buy into a lot if conspiracy theory and conjecture. This is fantastical. And a little scary that you are so set to whip up all of these scenarios just because PP make a statement about the value of diversity. She is correct.

Not to mention holistic is much more than racial consideration. And it benefits boys too in this day and age.

The supreme court case was about race and had nothing to say about sex.

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Anonymous wrote:so everyone isn't the same robot STEM kid.
seriously......

balance. a great American college experience is based on diversity of life experiences, thought, interests, background, majors, etc.

also, it allows them to pick students they KNOW will succeed (get jobs, not drop out, etc)

lastly, holistic admissions allows them to make sure they have students in ALL departments.

But why does this matter? I ask this as a engineering graduate from a large university. They didn't care about a holistic class.

so maybe you weren't at a selective school (yes, i get a selective major)....but a large flagship doesn't care about "holistic" admissions bc their mission is to educate the state's people.

private colleges have different missions.

MIT doesn't care about holistic - they look at academics and athletes. And live to tell the tale

Actually, MIT is very holistic. Not particularly athletic, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. Maybe confused with Stanford. But the MIT Admissions blog is very informative. Obviously, every applicant is a stellar student. But that's just the beginning. It's a very impressive school. All the numbers and stats get you is a serious read. And then it becomes very holistic. It's an impressive school with some really remarkable students.

our HS seems to send a lot of athletes to MIT. more athletes than not. they actively recruit for all their teams.

no idea about Stanford

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Anonymous wrote:When you only have 1500-1700 kids per class like most small elite universities, you want to have an interesting mix. You don't want everyone to be a CS nerd, pre-med, or future consultant.

That's what they say, but the reality is that it means "we want more blacks, we don't want too many Asians". That is the working definition of "interesting".

I mean... black american culture is the most consumed culture in the world by far. :)

In any case, people are sleeping on fact that one result of getting rid of AA will be a huge increase in blk student SAT scores in a few years. And those students will still be just as "interesting" as they are now.

Unclear why this person is still complaining about asian racism, what more do you want?

Then why the F*k didn't we get rid of it sooner?

DP but because there’s no real clear thread on why black students’ scores would change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so everyone isn't the same robot STEM kid.
seriously......

balance. a great American college experience is based on diversity of life experiences, thought, interests, background, majors, etc.

also, it allows them to pick students they KNOW will succeed (get jobs, not drop out, etc)

lastly, holistic admissions allows them to make sure they have students in ALL departments.

this. its not india people.

Also, we don't need Engineering schools because we can import better educated Indians who weren't held back by equity-focused
education.

China does this much less than either India or the US.

India has affirmative action, doesn't it?

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Anonymous wrote:A community with variety of backgrounds, race, religion, ability, status, interests,hobbies, geography, strengths and weaknesses is a much better environment to enrich young minds than some monolithic echo chamber.

The benefits of "diversity" for factors unrelated to talent is mostly a myth. There is basically no benefit to "diversity" preferences in hiring or admission for non-creative fields after you control for publication bias in the research. However, the data is very strong to indicate that standardized test scores are a strong predictor of future academic and professional performance. This trend of holistic admissions for medical school is especially concerning to me because prioritizing nebulous "diversity" factors over merit will literally kill people. The test scores on these tests are directly correlated with patient outcomes. Range restriction makes this relationship appear smaller than it actually is because the least qualified people are filtered through multiple rounds of exams. If you want to consider diversity for art school or literary arts school fine, but it should play no role in admissions/employment decisions for medical professionals or engineers where mistakes kill people.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-safety-outcomes/high-board-exam-scores-linked-to-reduced-patient-deaths.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37816217/
https://www.aamc.org/media/78266/download

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Anonymous wrote:When you only have 1500-1700 kids per class like most small elite universities, you want to have an interesting mix. You don't want everyone to be a CS nerd, pre-med, or future consultant.

That's what they say, but the reality is that it means "we want more blacks, we don't want too many Asians". That is the working definition of "interesting".

Multiple people have provided the same, logical explanation. But still you play the victim card. Just get therapy or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so everyone isn't the same robot STEM kid.
seriously......

balance. a great American college experience is based on diversity of life experiences, thought, interests, background, majors, etc.

also, it allows them to pick students they KNOW will succeed (get jobs, not drop out, etc)

lastly, holistic admissions allows them to make sure they have students in ALL departments.

this. its not india people.

Also, we don't need Engineering schools because we can import better educated Indians who weren't held back by equity-focused
education.

China does this much less than either India or the US.

India has affirmative action, doesn't it?

So does China

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so everyone isn't the same robot STEM kid.
seriously......

balance. a great American college experience is based on diversity of life experiences, thought, interests, background, majors, etc.

also, it allows them to pick students they KNOW will succeed (get jobs, not drop out, etc)

lastly, holistic admissions allows them to make sure they have students in ALL departments.

But why does this matter? I ask this as an engineering graduate from a large university. They didn't care about a holistic class.

Yes, it matters. Look at your inability to think critically.

[Anonymous]

They have so many applicants that they have many different people reviewing. They don't want to admit that they are inconsistent so use holistic as an excuse when they let in a weaker candidate.

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Anonymous wrote:Studies have consistently shown that diversity leads to success. The more diverse a business, the greater the profitability. This is because diversity brings many different viewpoints and experiences. If you don't believe me, read the article below...

https://online.uncp.edu/degrees/business/mba/general/diversity-and-inclusion-good-for-business/

Read that McKinsey report more closely. They mention minorities not underrepresented minorities. They are talking about companies with more asians being more profitable than companies than are almost exclusively white. It's not diversity that makes them profitable, it's having more asians.

You can't know that, because the report doesn't say how they measured diversity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:no one, esp a 17/18 yo senior (or if you are DCUM 19/20 yo senior), that gets into a test score only school is picking it over a school that curates a class a la IVY+

Why are DC kids so much older in HS?? 19/20 is wayyyyy too old for HS.

Guys, is educating your children bad parenting?

Im PP, no idea. Hopefully our fellow posters can enlighten us. Assume it is so their mediocre kids do better in school/sports. I think its gross.