Serious question: why are tech suits allowed in summer league dual meets?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the logic of Divisionals and All Stars being different from the rest.

Divisionals and All Stars should be the opportunity for kids who love summer swim to shine. Instead they seem to be opportunities for club swimmers who invest very little in summer swim to show off.

“Invest very little time in summer swim”? What is the basis for your statement? Our team club swimmers are highly involved in summer swim, leaving high, high level meet prelims sessions at championship LC meets to race back for a summer league meet, only to then race back for LC finals. Our club swimmers even ensure to travel back after out-of-state meets to be there for the A Meet. None of this is because they need individual summer league accolades. They come back to help the team. I don’t recall a pep rally or team outing where all our club swimmers did not attend, barring illness.

Ours don't show up to practice regularly. Top D1 team. I understand why so you don't need to explain it to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the logic of Divisionals and All Stars being different from the rest.

Divisionals and All Stars should be the opportunity for kids who love summer swim to shine. Instead they seem to be opportunities for club swimmers who invest very little in summer swim to show off.

“Invest very little time in summer swim”? What is the basis for your statement? Our team club swimmers are highly involved in summer swim, leaving high, high level meet prelims sessions at championship LC meets to race back for a summer league meet, only to then race back for LC finals. Our club swimmers even ensure to travel back after out-of-state meets to be there for the A Meet. None of this is because they need individual summer league accolades. They come back to help the team. I don’t recall a pep rally or team outing where all our club swimmers did not attend, barring illness.

Come on. I know of no swimmers doing high, high level meet prelims, then a summer league meet, and then going back for finals that night at the high level meet. There are plenty of high level club swimmers that participate in and enjoy summer swim but none do the craziness that you just described.

Well, they do on our team and on the team we competed against on 7/15. And our swimmers who have been competing out of town have absolutely come back sooner than they probably would have to compete at our A Meet.

7/15 was a Monday, please name me the high level meet that had prelims on that day and the summer league team that had an important meet that day. I’ll wait because there were none. You don’t need to just make sh!t up to prove the point that elite swimmers enjoy summer swim. No elite swimmer is doing prelims at a high level club meet, then dashing across town to swim in a summer league meet, and then dashing back to the elite club meet to do finals. It’s just not happening.

[Anonymous]

D1 pp, you wouldn't be in that division without your club kids...if their presence bothers you, there are many, many lower division teams that would happily enroll your swimmers (mine included).

[Anonymous]

This is a stupid thing to care about.

[Anonymous]

if a kid wants to swim fast and it's important to them, wear it when you want. or don't. but I hate shaming kids who wear one at meets that parents designate as not important

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the logic of Divisionals and All Stars being different from the rest.

Divisionals and All Stars should be the opportunity for kids who love summer swim to shine. Instead they seem to be opportunities for club swimmers who invest very little in summer swim to show off.

“Invest very little time in summer swim”? What is the basis for your statement? Our team club swimmers are highly involved in summer swim, leaving high, high level meet prelims sessions at championship LC meets to race back for a summer league meet, only to then race back for LC finals. Our club swimmers even ensure to travel back after out-of-state meets to be there for the A Meet. None of this is because they need individual summer league accolades. They come back to help the team. I don’t recall a pep rally or team outing where all our club swimmers did not attend, barring illness.

Come on. I know of no swimmers doing high, high level meet prelims, then a summer league meet, and then going back for finals that night at the high level meet. There are plenty of high level club swimmers that participate in and enjoy summer swim but none do the craziness that you just described.

Well, they do on our team and on the team we competed against on 7/15. And our swimmers who have been competing out of town have absolutely come back sooner than they probably would have to compete at our A Meet.

7/15 was a Monday, please name me the high level meet that had prelims on that day and the summer league team that had an important meet that day. I’ll wait because there were none. You don’t need to just make sh!t up to prove the point that elite swimmers enjoy summer swim. No elite swimmer is doing prelims at a high level club meet, then dashing across town to swim in a summer league meet, and then dashing back to the elite club meet to do finals. It’s just not happening.

PVS Champs, 7/13 — clearly the poster just had a typo. Ask teams in D1 and D2 if their swimmers did this. Because we saw it at our D1 meet with two 15-18 swimmers, one from each team. Better yet, check the roster for who swam PVS Champs and NVSL that day. Moreover, why do you care? The point is club kids DO care about their summer teams and, especially in D1, they even find ways to make club and summer league meets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the logic of Divisionals and All Stars being different from the rest.

Divisionals and All Stars should be the opportunity for kids who love summer swim to shine. Instead they seem to be opportunities for club swimmers who invest very little in summer swim to show off.

“Invest very little time in summer swim”? What is the basis for your statement? Our team club swimmers are highly involved in summer swim, leaving high, high level meet prelims sessions at championship LC meets to race back for a summer league meet, only to then race back for LC finals. Our club swimmers even ensure to travel back after out-of-state meets to be there for the A Meet. None of this is because they need individual summer league accolades. They come back to help the team. I don’t recall a pep rally or team outing where all our club swimmers did not attend, barring illness.

Come on. I know of no swimmers doing high, high level meet prelims, then a summer league meet, and then going back for finals that night at the high level meet. There are plenty of high level club swimmers that participate in and enjoy summer swim but none do the craziness that you just described.

Well, they do on our team and on the team we competed against on 7/15. And our swimmers who have been competing out of town have absolutely come back sooner than they probably would have to compete at our A Meet.

7/15 was a Monday, please name me the high level meet that had prelims on that day and the summer league team that had an important meet that day. I’ll wait because there were none. You don’t need to just make sh!t up to prove the point that elite swimmers enjoy summer swim. No elite swimmer is doing prelims at a high level club meet, then dashing across town to swim in a summer league meet, and then dashing back to the elite club meet to do finals. It’s just not happening.

When we swam OKM, their swimmer who swam Trials 1 1/2 days earlier had flown back to swim in the A Meet. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the logic of Divisionals and All Stars being different from the rest.

Divisionals and All Stars should be the opportunity for kids who love summer swim to shine. Instead they seem to be opportunities for club swimmers who invest very little in summer swim to show off.

“Invest very little time in summer swim”? What is the basis for your statement? Our team club swimmers are highly involved in summer swim, leaving high, high level meet prelims sessions at championship LC meets to race back for a summer league meet, only to then race back for LC finals. Our club swimmers even ensure to travel back after out-of-state meets to be there for the A Meet. None of this is because they need individual summer league accolades. They come back to help the team. I don’t recall a pep rally or team outing where all our club swimmers did not attend, barring illness.

Ours don't show up to practice regularly. Top D1 team. I understand why so you don't need to explain it to me.

Same, but that makes sense and actually allows coaches to concentrate instruction on summer only swimmers. They are present when it counts, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the logic of Divisionals and All Stars being different from the rest.

Divisionals and All Stars should be the opportunity for kids who love summer swim to shine. Instead they seem to be opportunities for club swimmers who invest very little in summer swim to show off.

“Invest very little time in summer swim”? What is the basis for your statement? Our team club swimmers are highly involved in summer swim, leaving high, high level meet prelims sessions at championship LC meets to race back for a summer league meet, only to then race back for LC finals. Our club swimmers even ensure to travel back after out-of-state meets to be there for the A Meet. None of this is because they need individual summer league accolades. They come back to help the team. I don’t recall a pep rally or team outing where all our club swimmers did not attend, barring illness.

Come on. I know of no swimmers doing high, high level meet prelims, then a summer league meet, and then going back for finals that night at the high level meet. There are plenty of high level club swimmers that participate in and enjoy summer swim but none do the craziness that you just described.

Well, they do on our team and on the team we competed against on 7/15. And our swimmers who have been competing out of town have absolutely come back sooner than they probably would have to compete at our A Meet.

7/15 was a Monday, please name me the high level meet that had prelims on that day and the summer league team that had an important meet that day. I’ll wait because there were none. You don’t need to just make sh!t up to prove the point that elite swimmers enjoy summer swim. No elite swimmer is doing prelims at a high level club meet, then dashing across town to swim in a summer league meet, and then dashing back to the elite club meet to do finals. It’s just not happening.

When we swam OKM, their swimmer who swam Trials 1 1/2 days earlier had flown back to swim in the A Meet. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Which is not remotely the same thing as doing high level club prelims in the morning, a summer meet in the late morning or afternoon, and then high level club finals in the evening. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:D1 pp, you wouldn't be in that division without your club kids...if their presence bothers you, there are many, many lower division teams that would happily enroll your swimmers (mine included).

I would be thrilled to not be in D1! It’s our local pool where all our friends go. Most of us do not care about being in D1 and wish we weren’t and it could be normal summer swim team not dominated by the club kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the logic of Divisionals and All Stars being different from the rest.

Divisionals and All Stars should be the opportunity for kids who love summer swim to shine. Instead they seem to be opportunities for club swimmers who invest very little in summer swim to show off.

“Invest very little time in summer swim”? What is the basis for your statement? Our team club swimmers are highly involved in summer swim, leaving high, high level meet prelims sessions at championship LC meets to race back for a summer league meet, only to then race back for LC finals. Our club swimmers even ensure to travel back after out-of-state meets to be there for the A Meet. None of this is because they need individual summer league accolades. They come back to help the team. I don’t recall a pep rally or team outing where all our club swimmers did not attend, barring illness.

Come on. I know of no swimmers doing high, high level meet prelims, then a summer league meet, and then going back for finals that night at the high level meet. There are plenty of high level club swimmers that participate in and enjoy summer swim but none do the craziness that you just described.

Well, they do on our team and on the team we competed against on 7/15. And our swimmers who have been competing out of town have absolutely come back sooner than they probably would have to compete at our A Meet.

7/15 was a Monday, please name me the high level meet that had prelims on that day and the summer league team that had an important meet that day. I’ll wait because there were none. You don’t need to just make sh!t up to prove the point that elite swimmers enjoy summer swim. No elite swimmer is doing prelims at a high level club meet, then dashing across town to swim in a summer league meet, and then dashing back to the elite club meet to do finals. It’s just not happening.

PVS Champs, 7/13 — clearly the poster just had a typo. Ask teams in D1 and D2 if their swimmers did this. Because we saw it at our D1 meet with two 15-18 swimmers, one from each team. Better yet, check the roster for who swam PVS Champs and NVSL that day. Moreover, why do you care? The point is club kids DO care about their summer teams and, especially in D1, they even find ways to make club and summer league meets.

Why do people need to lie? Prelims on 7/13 in College Park started at 8:30 am, so no swimmers were swimming prelims and then making it to an NVSL meet. I’m sure there were swimmers that didn’t have an event on 7/13 at PVS champs that swam at an NVSL meet that morning. But I defy you to name someone that actually swam in College Park on 7/13 in prelims and also swam their NVSL meet that morning. I don’t care that much but the blatant lies people tell are too easy to call out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the logic of Divisionals and All Stars being different from the rest.

Divisionals and All Stars should be the opportunity for kids who love summer swim to shine. Instead they seem to be opportunities for club swimmers who invest very little in summer swim to show off.

“Invest very little time in summer swim”? What is the basis for your statement? Our team club swimmers are highly involved in summer swim, leaving high, high level meet prelims sessions at championship LC meets to race back for a summer league meet, only to then race back for LC finals. Our club swimmers even ensure to travel back after out-of-state meets to be there for the A Meet. None of this is because they need individual summer league accolades. They come back to help the team. I don’t recall a pep rally or team outing where all our club swimmers did not attend, barring illness.

Ours don't show up to practice regularly. Top D1 team. I understand why so you don't need to explain it to me.

Same, but that makes sense and actually allows coaches to concentrate instruction on summer only swimmers. They are present when it counts, right?

If the argument is they are fully invested in summer swim, it’s just making the point they are not. The practices are a big part of the camaraderie and experience day in and day out. I agree it’s less kids to coach which is a plus.

[Anonymous]

We had a swimmer on our team compete in prelims on 7/13 and make it back for the second half of the A meet (MCSL) and back for finals in the evening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 pp, you wouldn't be in that division without your club kids...if their presence bothers you, there are many, many lower division teams that would happily enroll your swimmers (mine included).

I would be thrilled to not be in D1! It’s our local pool where all our friends go. Most of us do not care about being in D1 and wish we weren’t and it could be normal summer swim team not dominated by the club kids.

There are plenty of not-D1 (and some not-NVSL) pools in close proximity to the D1 pools, with lots of neighborhood swimmers. And their waitlists are shorter (or nonexistent). I'm sure you could switch to one if you'd like to.

[Anonymous]

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If summer is supposed to fun and inclusive; a sport that athletic kids can Doswell because it is short sprints. Why allow tech suits/kneeskins to be worn at dual meets? Seems to go against the spirit of summer swim.

Division meets and all stars sure - wear them. They should not be allowed in a a regular A meet.

Staring at kids butts to determine if their suit is legal or not is a lot worse.