Arlington Co. and its deer problem

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sounds like a waste of money, you can just add an extra week of bow hunting and let the rednecks handle it. Too many deer caught at once in one area can really throw off a herd. Also if you hire people to cull the population in only one area then the other herds nearby will just spread out naturally in a couple years. They travel several miles, especially the bucks. Also how long are they doing this for? One night only we take them all out? Who is going to process all that meat? Will they waste it? Sounds like the people making these rules never watched a deer herd in their life.

All very good points! Arlington Co is full of ideas but rarely do they think them all the way through and then create another problem. This needs to be very carefully researched and the parties involved in making the decision need to thoroughly understand the downstream impact of their choices.

Sounds like we need a couple million dollar government funded studies! Does anyone know of a nonprofit willing to do this work?

So you want to send some guy in a suit with a government badge to talk to hunters?

Sounds BRILLIANT!

[Anonymous]

“The effect of deer browsing — which is described as deer eating leaves, twigs and woody plants — was determined to be currently “moderate” in Arlington County, but does “not bode well for the future forest health of Arlington’s parks,” according to the consultant report by White Buffalo, Inc.”

Did anyone suggest feeding the deer? Throw up a few troughs or feeders and hire some guys to fill it with corn every day. Or plant some apple trees, berry bushes, etc. In the meantime they can go local farms and pick up their seconds of apples and pumpkins and other fruits and veg, deer love those and there’s always too much. What about a local bakery- deer love bread. Do they provide salt blocks right now? They’re like 10 bucks (cheaper in bulk) and last for months. If they have other things to eat they won’t eat as many plants, though it does not sound like an actual problem right now, just a made up problem because some higher up doesn’t like deer eating their flowers or has their pockets tied to white Buffalo.

Instead of killing something beautiful turn it into a teaching opportunity, send some science classes out there to learn about deer behavior and feeding patterns. Heck I’ll buy them a couple trail cams. Let the parents that are hunters teach their kids what they know. Let the kids with extra land plant a garden and test different foods that deer like to eat. They’d probably learn more doing that for a year or two than paying some multi-million dollar “non-profit”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The library had a program and a book talk. Apparently some culling operations in yards is via nets and bolt guns. Book described the "eee eee eee" cries of fawns being killed. It's not painless.
See The Age of Deer pp 190-194.

I am not supportive of culling 40% of the deer.
But I encourage supporters to be clear just what means are planned. Just sharpshooter and head shots? Or....????

Not in my yard.

Almost no legit hunter would purposely kill a fawn, especially not with a net, that’s just stupid. Clearly there’s an agenda if that’s their plan. Someone needs to start asking questions to the people making decisions.

[Anonymous]

They could just drop the regulations for selling venison and increase yearly hunting tags.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“The effect of deer browsing — which is described as deer eating leaves, twigs and woody plants — was determined to be currently “moderate” in Arlington County, but does “not bode well for the future forest health of Arlington’s parks,” according to the consultant report by White Buffalo, Inc.”

Did anyone suggest feeding the deer? Throw up a few troughs or feeders and hire some guys to fill it with corn every day. Or plant some apple trees, berry bushes, etc. In the meantime they can go local farms and pick up their seconds of apples and pumpkins and other fruits and veg, deer love those and there’s always too much. What about a local bakery- deer love bread. Do they provide salt blocks right now? They’re like 10 bucks (cheaper in bulk) and last for months. If they have other things to eat they won’t eat as many plants, though it does not sound like an actual problem right now, just a made up problem because some higher up doesn’t like deer eating their flowers or has their pockets tied to white Buffalo.

Instead of killing something beautiful turn it into a teaching opportunity, send some science classes out there to learn about deer behavior and feeding patterns. Heck I’ll buy them a couple trail cams. Let the parents that are hunters teach their kids what they know. Let the kids with extra land plant a garden and test different foods that deer like to eat. They’d probably learn more doing that for a year or two than paying some multi-million dollar “non-profit”.

And this is why Trump will be our president again.

[Anonymous]

Ok so I’m reading this (ridiculous) report. They talk about how great Fairfax county is doing using primarily a lottery system for archery hunting. This means a whole lot of red necks wanting in line to go shoot deer for free. They say how safe it’s been, how it’s effectively culled the herds, etc.

Now in the same report they recommend Arlington not use bow hunting unless as an absolute last resort, and how hiring trained snipers is a much better idea.

WTF is wrong with these people?

Seriously makes me wonder whose pockets are being lined right now. This is just a dumb waste of money and resources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey I am the alleged conflate. The book referenced was one the County chose to highlight for a library discussion. That company did use sharpshooter and then the net method in yards.
Arlington apparently would use sharpshooter. But they do say painless, instantaneous kills. Sounds like blarney based on comments here.
I am not supportive but definitely am extremely unsupportive of amateurs doing it.
They do give numbers amounting to 40% of the deer.

Ah, so you guessed headshot from the use of the word sharpshooter. A sharpshooter would not be defined as an amateur.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The effect of deer browsing — which is described as deer eating leaves, twigs and woody plants — was determined to be currently “moderate” in Arlington County, but does “not bode well for the future forest health of Arlington’s parks,” according to the consultant report by White Buffalo, Inc.”

Did anyone suggest feeding the deer? Throw up a few troughs or feeders and hire some guys to fill it with corn every day. Or plant some apple trees, berry bushes, etc. In the meantime they can go local farms and pick up their seconds of apples and pumpkins and other fruits and veg, deer love those and there’s always too much. What about a local bakery- deer love bread. Do they provide salt blocks right now? They’re like 10 bucks (cheaper in bulk) and last for months. If they have other things to eat they won’t eat as many plants, though it does not sound like an actual problem right now, just a made up problem because some higher up doesn’t like deer eating their flowers or has their pockets tied to white Buffalo.

Instead of killing something beautiful turn it into a teaching opportunity, send some science classes out there to learn about deer behavior and feeding patterns. Heck I’ll buy them a couple trail cams. Let the parents that are hunters teach their kids what they know. Let the kids with extra land plant a garden and test different foods that deer like to eat. They’d probably learn more doing that for a year or two than paying some multi-million dollar “non-profit”.

And this is why Trump will be our president again.

Bite your tongue. Arlington is highly educated!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They could just drop the regulations for selling venison and increase yearly hunting tags.

Does Arlington issue hunting permits? Virginia lets you take up to three deer under certain conditions.

Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun, and Prince William (except on Department of Defense lands) counties

Within a license year and within each individual county listed above, before you can take a second antlered deer in that county (your second buck), you must have taken at least one antler- less deer in that county. Furthermore, before you can take a third antlered deer in that county (your third buck), you must have taken at least two antlerless deer in that county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The effect of deer browsing — which is described as deer eating leaves, twigs and woody plants — was determined to be currently “moderate” in Arlington County, but does “not bode well for the future forest health of Arlington’s parks,” according to the consultant report by White Buffalo, Inc.”

Did anyone suggest feeding the deer? Throw up a few troughs or feeders and hire some guys to fill it with corn every day. Or plant some apple trees, berry bushes, etc. In the meantime they can go local farms and pick up their seconds of apples and pumpkins and other fruits and veg, deer love those and there’s always too much. What about a local bakery- deer love bread. Do they provide salt blocks right now? They’re like 10 bucks (cheaper in bulk) and last for months. If they have other things to eat they won’t eat as many plants, though it does not sound like an actual problem right now, just a made up problem because some higher up doesn’t like deer eating their flowers or has their pockets tied to white Buffalo.

Instead of killing something beautiful turn it into a teaching opportunity, send some science classes out there to learn about deer behavior and feeding patterns. Heck I’ll buy them a couple trail cams. Let the parents that are hunters teach their kids what they know. Let the kids with extra land plant a garden and test different foods that deer like to eat. They’d probably learn more doing that for a year or two than paying some multi-million dollar “non-profit”.

And this is why Trump will be our president again.

Bite your tongue. Arlington is highly educated!

Arlington just paid multiple people to figure out that deer eat plants and like some plants more than others. They could’ve figured that out in week at the local library. Now they want to pay more money for people to kill then when multiple people will literally do it for free. So they’re spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to solve a problem that could have been solved in a week with a waiting list and a few extra hunting permits, maybe an overdue book charge. They’re clearly so educated they’re stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They could just drop the regulations for selling venison and increase yearly hunting tags.

Does Arlington issue hunting permits? Virginia lets you take up to three deer under certain conditions.

Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun, and Prince William (except on Department of Defense lands) counties

Within a license year and within each individual county listed above, before you can take a second antlered deer in that county (your second buck), you must have taken at least one antler- less deer in that county. Furthermore, before you can take a third antlered deer in that county (your third buck), you must have taken at least two antlerless deer in that county.

From what I read they don’t currently allow any hunting in the county/fed land areas they’re “testing” for foliage damage in the county. I don’t know what regulations on private lands are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The effect of deer browsing — which is described as deer eating leaves, twigs and woody plants — was determined to be currently “moderate” in Arlington County, but does “not bode well for the future forest health of Arlington’s parks,” according to the consultant report by White Buffalo, Inc.”

Did anyone suggest feeding the deer? Throw up a few troughs or feeders and hire some guys to fill it with corn every day. Or plant some apple trees, berry bushes, etc. In the meantime they can go local farms and pick up their seconds of apples and pumpkins and other fruits and veg, deer love those and there’s always too much. What about a local bakery- deer love bread. Do they provide salt blocks right now? They’re like 10 bucks (cheaper in bulk) and last for months. If they have other things to eat they won’t eat as many plants, though it does not sound like an actual problem right now, just a made up problem because some higher up doesn’t like deer eating their flowers or has their pockets tied to white Buffalo.

Instead of killing something beautiful turn it into a teaching opportunity, send some science classes out there to learn about deer behavior and feeding patterns. Heck I’ll buy them a couple trail cams. Let the parents that are hunters teach their kids what they know. Let the kids with extra land plant a garden and test different foods that deer like to eat. They’d probably learn more doing that for a year or two than paying some multi-million dollar “non-profit”.

And this is why Trump will be our president again.

Bite your tongue. Arlington is highly educated!

Arlington just paid multiple people to figure out that deer eat plants and like some plants more than others. They could’ve figured that out in week at the local library. Now they want to pay more money for people to kill then when multiple people will literally do it for free. So they’re spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to solve a problem that could have been solved in a week with a waiting list and a few extra hunting permits, maybe an overdue book charge. They’re clearly so educated they’re stupid.

You pay expert sharpshooters for the liability shield. The guys who “will do it for free” are not properly insured and like to drink a beer while they shoot. What could possibly go wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“The effect of deer browsing — which is described as deer eating leaves, twigs and woody plants — was determined to be currently “moderate” in Arlington County, but does “not bode well for the future forest health of Arlington’s parks,” according to the consultant report by White Buffalo, Inc.”

Did anyone suggest feeding the deer? Throw up a few troughs or feeders and hire some guys to fill it with corn every day. Or plant some apple trees, berry bushes, etc. In the meantime they can go local farms and pick up their seconds of apples and pumpkins and other fruits and veg, deer love those and there’s always too much. What about a local bakery- deer love bread. Do they provide salt blocks right now? They’re like 10 bucks (cheaper in bulk) and last for months. If they have other things to eat they won’t eat as many plants, though it does not sound like an actual problem right now, just a made up problem because some higher up doesn’t like deer eating their flowers or has their pockets tied to white Buffalo.

Instead of killing something beautiful turn it into a teaching opportunity, send some science classes out there to learn about deer behavior and feeding patterns. Heck I’ll buy them a couple trail cams. Let the parents that are hunters teach their kids what they know. Let the kids with extra land plant a garden and test different foods that deer like to eat. They’d probably learn more doing that for a year or two than paying some multi-million dollar “non-profit”.

Meanwhile, people are going hungry?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The effect of deer browsing — which is described as deer eating leaves, twigs and woody plants — was determined to be currently “moderate” in Arlington County, but does “not bode well for the future forest health of Arlington’s parks,” according to the consultant report by White Buffalo, Inc.”

Did anyone suggest feeding the deer? Throw up a few troughs or feeders and hire some guys to fill it with corn every day. Or plant some apple trees, berry bushes, etc. In the meantime they can go local farms and pick up their seconds of apples and pumpkins and other fruits and veg, deer love those and there’s always too much. What about a local bakery- deer love bread. Do they provide salt blocks right now? They’re like 10 bucks (cheaper in bulk) and last for months. If they have other things to eat they won’t eat as many plants, though it does not sound like an actual problem right now, just a made up problem because some higher up doesn’t like deer eating their flowers or has their pockets tied to white Buffalo.

Instead of killing something beautiful turn it into a teaching opportunity, send some science classes out there to learn about deer behavior and feeding patterns. Heck I’ll buy them a couple trail cams. Let the parents that are hunters teach their kids what they know. Let the kids with extra land plant a garden and test different foods that deer like to eat. They’d probably learn more doing that for a year or two than paying some multi-million dollar “non-profit”.

And this is why Trump will be our president again.

Bite your tongue. Arlington is highly educated!

Arlington just paid multiple people to figure out that deer eat plants and like some plants more than others. They could’ve figured that out in week at the local library. Now they want to pay more money for people to kill then when multiple people will literally do it for free. So they’re spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to solve a problem that could have been solved in a week with a waiting list and a few extra hunting permits, maybe an overdue book charge. They’re clearly so educated they’re stupid.

You pay expert sharpshooters for the liability shield. The guys who “will do it for free” are not properly insured and like to drink a beer while they shoot. What could possibly go wrong?

Most hunters aren’t wandering around drunk in the forest with weapons, you’re an idiot. If they use bows I imagine they’d be a terrible shot if they’re boozed up anyways. It’s easy enough to check a truck for alcohol on the way into the park if that’s your actual concern. Hell you could make them do a breathalyzer on the way in and out of the park and you’d still have more people signed up than you need. You must be one of the smart people from Arlington I hear so much about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The effect of deer browsing — which is described as deer eating leaves, twigs and woody plants — was determined to be currently “moderate” in Arlington County, but does “not bode well for the future forest health of Arlington’s parks,” according to the consultant report by White Buffalo, Inc.”

Did anyone suggest feeding the deer? Throw up a few troughs or feeders and hire some guys to fill it with corn every day. Or plant some apple trees, berry bushes, etc. In the meantime they can go local farms and pick up their seconds of apples and pumpkins and other fruits and veg, deer love those and there’s always too much. What about a local bakery- deer love bread. Do they provide salt blocks right now? They’re like 10 bucks (cheaper in bulk) and last for months. If they have other things to eat they won’t eat as many plants, though it does not sound like an actual problem right now, just a made up problem because some higher up doesn’t like deer eating their flowers or has their pockets tied to white Buffalo.

Instead of killing something beautiful turn it into a teaching opportunity, send some science classes out there to learn about deer behavior and feeding patterns. Heck I’ll buy them a couple trail cams. Let the parents that are hunters teach their kids what they know. Let the kids with extra land plant a garden and test different foods that deer like to eat. They’d probably learn more doing that for a year or two than paying some multi-million dollar “non-profit”.

Meanwhile, people are going hungry?

I never said don’t shoot them, but there are certain times of the year you should kill them and right now is one of those times. Open these parks to hunters, kill away, responsibly.