Ed1 prelaw

[Anonymous]

Most kids going into top law schools are not going straight from college to law school anymore. They work a few years between schooling. This has become common at my biglaw firm and I also see it on my T10 alma mater. Any of those 3 schools will prepare her as long as she majors in something that requires critical thinking and writing skills.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Steer her as well as you can towards Dartmouth. Small colleges like Claremont Mckenna and Amherst are traps for students who can't get into real universities and struggle with the real world. If she can't learn without a professor spoon feeding her everything, she'll fail in life.

Baloney.
Amherst and Williams have excellent reputations and are law pipelines just one notch under the top ivies.

Claremont...not the same league at all. On par with BC as far as law likelihood.

Another east coaster who knows nothing but spews false information proudly about west coast colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op , none of us know whether this is a good plan for ED without knowing your daughter’s stats and where she goes to school (public, private, geographical area). ED doesn’t help tremendously at any of the schools you listed and all are lottery schools.

To be accepted at Yale, she will need perfect grades and near perfect LSATs. Also highly unlikely for any student.

She's in line with her school's college record keeping system to get into all of these schools. Private prep school, 4.0/1600. National level extracurriculars and teachers' favorite. She'd apply to Harvard if she wasn't stubborn and didn't "hate the campus"

[Anonymous]

How does a 17 year old know that they want to do big law? That's not at all like "everyone else." Especially not at Yale -- Harvard would be a better choice. But they are thinking way too far ahead.

Assuming the cost is the same at those three schools, they should apply where they think is the best fit, take a variety of classes in interesting subjects, decide based on that what to major in (since pre law isn't a major), go to law school (if that's still what they want to do after college -- be open to being exposed to new ideas!) and then after the first year of law school consider what kind of law they want to practice and what work life balance they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op , none of us know whether this is a good plan for ED without knowing your daughter’s stats and where she goes to school (public, private, geographical area). ED doesn’t help tremendously at any of the schools you listed and all are lottery schools.

To be accepted at Yale, she will need perfect grades and near perfect LSATs. Also highly unlikely for any student.

She's in line with her school's college record keeping system to get into all of these schools. Private prep school, 4.0/1600. National level extracurriculars and teachers' favorite. She'd apply to Harvard if she wasn't stubborn and didn't "hate the campus"

She sounds like a real peach. If she's politically conservative she'll be more comfortable at CMC. Probably easier to excel there than Amherst or Dartmouth as they take a slightly lower tier of student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op , none of us know whether this is a good plan for ED without knowing your daughter’s stats and where she goes to school (public, private, geographical area). ED doesn’t help tremendously at any of the schools you listed and all are lottery schools.

To be accepted at Yale, she will need perfect grades and near perfect LSATs. Also highly unlikely for any student.

She's in line with her school's college record keeping system to get into all of these schools. Private prep school, 4.0/1600. National level extracurriculars and teachers' favorite. She'd apply to Harvard if she wasn't stubborn and didn't "hate the campus"

She sounds like a real peach. If she's politically conservative she'll be more comfortable at CMC. Probably easier to excel there than Amherst or Dartmouth as they take a slightly lower tier of student.

The academic profiles between CMC and Amherst students are practically identical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:... She'd apply to Harvard if she wasn't stubborn and didn't "hate the campus"

You're underestimating her and/or there's dumbing down of her reasoning going on between her and you and/or between you and this board. Her three ED finalists actually make a lot of sense in some very nuanced ways--and Harvard doesn't fit in that group.

[Anonymous]

There is no right choice. She can major in anything from English to Engineering and go to Law School. I went to U of Penn Law School and members of my class came from all over and majored in everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does a 17 year old know that they want to do big law? That's not at all like "everyone else." Especially not at Yale -- Harvard would be a better choice. But they are thinking way too far ahead.

Assuming the cost is the same at those three schools, they should apply where they think is the best fit, take a variety of classes in interesting subjects, decide based on that what to major in (since pre law isn't a major), go to law school (if that's still what they want to do after college -- be open to being exposed to new ideas!) and then after the first year of law school consider what kind of law they want to practice and what work life balance they want.

I think most of her friends are very career-minded. Of her little posse, one wants to be a Project Manager for a very specific type of firm, another an Actuary, a quant trader, and another Pharma R&D.

[Anonymous]

My rising college senior anticipates applying to law school in a few years and is definitely NOT gunning for BigLaw, but that's another matter. If your 17 yo really follows through with her plan to go to a top college, a top law school, and then to BigLaw she probably shouldn't be focusing too hard on Yale Law anyway. I say this with a gentle eye roll, she's very young she has lots years ahead for this stuff to get figured out and will almost certainly change her mind many times. She should go to the best college for her that you can afford.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:... She'd apply to Harvard if she wasn't stubborn and didn't "hate the campus"

You're underestimating her and/or there's dumbing down of her reasoning going on between her and you and/or between you and this board. Her three ED finalists actually make a lot of sense in some very nuanced ways--and Harvard doesn't fit in that group.

I don't want my daughter ruining her talent at a no-name college with community-college levels of ambitious students. She should be striving to be around the best and most competitive if that's the type of industry she is looking for.

[Anonymous]

Oh for heaven's sake. Any of them are more than fine. And tell your DC to relax a bit. Life is a journey, she doesn't want to barrel through years and years of her youth aiming at Big Law of all things.

Have her take a class where she will learn basic logic. I took a rather broad "critical thinking" class where I learned syllogisms, etc, but anything with basic logic will do. It will likely be a philosophy dept class. I scored 99th percentile on the LSAT, and yes I do just naturally think in an analytical way, it's just how my brain works, but I do credit that class with honing those skills for me in way that led to that high score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:... She'd apply to Harvard if she wasn't stubborn and didn't "hate the campus"

You're underestimating her and/or there's dumbing down of her reasoning going on between her and you and/or between you and this board. Her three ED finalists actually make a lot of sense in some very nuanced ways--and Harvard doesn't fit in that group.

I don't want my daughter ruining her talent at a no-name college with community-college levels of ambitious students. She should be striving to be around the best and most competitive if that's the type of industry she is looking for.

I really hope you're a troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Steer her as well as you can towards Dartmouth. Small colleges like Claremont Mckenna and Amherst are traps for students who can't get into real universities and struggle with the real world. If she can't learn without a professor spoon feeding her everything, she'll fail in life.

Baloney.
Amherst and Williams have excellent reputations and are law pipelines just one notch under the top ivies.

Claremont...not the same league at all. On par with BC as far as law likelihood.

Another east coaster who knows nothing but spews false information proudly about west coast colleges.

These law school question threads end up with 90% of the comments coming from a poster "who knows nothing but spews false information proudly."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does a 17 year old know that they want to do big law? That's not at all like "everyone else." Especially not at Yale -- Harvard would be a better choice. But they are thinking way too far ahead.

Assuming the cost is the same at those three schools, they should apply where they think is the best fit, take a variety of classes in interesting subjects, decide based on that what to major in (since pre law isn't a major), go to law school (if that's still what they want to do after college -- be open to being exposed to new ideas!) and then after the first year of law school consider what kind of law they want to practice and what work life balance they want.

They don't. Their momma or daddy read about "Big Law" on here. There is more talk about getting work in Big Law on DCUM than there was at my T1 law school during interview season, lol.