Question about Messianic Judaism

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also want to say it’s strange how they celebrate holidays too. They really focus on the Old Testament ones and downplay Christmas and Easter. They don’t celebrate Halloween or decorate for Christmas much.

Frankly I think their name should be messianic Christians because they do believe in Christ. The offensive part is how they say they’re Jews.

I know one couple that is Messianic Jewish and tbf the husband is ethnically Jewish and was raised Jewish so he's not an evangelical LARPer or anything.

This is similar to a couple I know as well. The non-Jewish wife does not say she is Jewish. She is Christian. They go to a messianic Jewish congregation. But getting back to OP question you can’t get sued for your beliefs, so I think her friend’s mom is not quite right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not true. They feel extra persecuted because they’re Christians who claim they’re Jewish and they don’t understand why Jews find that obnoxious and offensive.

+1

[Anonymous]

It's not true, but she probably believes it because, frankly put, Messianic Jews are nuts. I'm Jewish and once made the mistake of striking up a conversation with one in a public place and telling her I was Jewish. I ended up literally mobbed by a group of them who insisted on praying over me and then followed me around and hounded me in order to "save" me from hell until I managed to escape onto some public transportation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A woman in my daughter's Girl Scout leadership has mentioned that she's a Messianic Jew but that her family hasn't been able to find a local congregation because anyone who starts one up gets sued by Jewish groups. Just wondering if this is true. What would the basis for the lawsuit be?

It's not true but the people who are attracted to Jews for Jesus (as they used to be called) have a screw loose. It's not hard to imagine they may believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jews hate them because they Christians who are more observant Jews than non-Christian Jews are.

I began reading your sentence thinking "there is no way this can get dumber", but then I got to the end and I was wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A woman in my daughter's Girl Scout leadership has mentioned that she's a Messianic Jew but that her family hasn't been able to find a local congregation because anyone who starts one up gets sued by Jewish groups. Just wondering if this is true. What would the basis for the lawsuit be?

It's not true but the people who are attracted to Jews for Jesus (as they used to be called) have a screw loose. It's not hard to imagine they may believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories, too.

Found the dumber post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A woman in my daughter's Girl Scout leadership has mentioned that she's a Messianic Jew but that her family hasn't been able to find a local congregation because anyone who starts one up gets sued by Jewish groups. Just wondering if this is true. What would the basis for the lawsuit be?

It's not true but the people who are attracted to Jews for Jesus (as they used to be called) have a screw loose. It's not hard to imagine they may believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories, too.

Found the dumber post.

All religions are a little crazy, but we understand that your ethnic culture has an effect on your mindset.

But mixing two religions (with belief, not merely ethnically blending in a marriage/family) is double crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not true. They feel extra persecuted because they’re Christians who claim they’re Jewish and they don’t understand why Jews find that obnoxious and offensive.

This sounds anti-semitic. Who gets to decide who is Jewish?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A woman in my daughter's Girl Scout leadership has mentioned that she's a Messianic Jew but that her family hasn't been able to find a local congregation because anyone who starts one up gets sued by Jewish groups. Just wondering if this is true. What would the basis for the lawsuit be?

It's not true but the people who are attracted to Jews for Jesus (as they used to be called) have a screw loose. It's not hard to imagine they may believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories, too.

Found the dumber post.

All religions are a little crazy, but we understand that your ethnic culture has an effect on your mindset.

But mixing two religions (with belief, not merely ethnically blending in a marriage/family) is double crazy.

Keep telling yourself that if it reduces your discomfort with the mix.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not true. They feel extra persecuted because they’re Christians who claim they’re Jewish and they don’t understand why Jews find that obnoxious and offensive.

This sounds anti-semitic. Who gets to decide who is Jewish?

Well... Jewish law has a lot of discussion about this actually. Jews get to decide who is Jewish, and Christian missionary groups that try to offer "Messianic Judaism" as a culturally sensitive way to become Christian are, in fact, antisemitic.

The Jews they are able to convert to this everything bagel-scented Christianity had weak Jewish affiliations to begin with or have psychological problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not true. They feel extra persecuted because they’re Christians who claim they’re Jewish and they don’t understand why Jews find that obnoxious and offensive.

This sounds anti-semitic. Who gets to decide who is Jewish?

Well... Jewish law has a lot of discussion about this actually. Jews get to decide who is Jewish, and Christian missionary groups that try to offer "Messianic Judaism" as a culturally sensitive way to become Christian are, in fact, antisemitic.

The Jews they are able to convert to this everything bagel-scented Christianity had weak Jewish affiliations to begin with or have psychological problems.

They see themselves as Jewish, so if you agree that Jews get to decide, then they’ve decided they’re Jews, right? You repeatedly trying to just write them off as psychologically disturbed says more about you than about them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not true. They feel extra persecuted because they’re Christians who claim they’re Jewish and they don’t understand why Jews find that obnoxious and offensive.

This sounds anti-semitic. Who gets to decide who is Jewish?

Well... Jewish law has a lot of discussion about this actually. Jews get to decide who is Jewish, and Christian missionary groups that try to offer "Messianic Judaism" as a culturally sensitive way to become Christian are, in fact, antisemitic.

The Jews they are able to convert to this everything bagel-scented Christianity had weak Jewish affiliations to begin with or have psychological problems.

They see themselves as Jewish, so if you agree that Jews get to decide, then they’ve decided they’re Jews, right? You repeatedly trying to just write them off as psychologically disturbed says more about you than about them.

They believe Jesus was the messiah, ergo, they are not Jewish. They’re Christians with Jewish trappings, and their insistence that they, not the rest of us, are the only ones who truly understand Judaism is what people especially don’t like about them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not true. They feel extra persecuted because they’re Christians who claim they’re Jewish and they don’t understand why Jews find that obnoxious and offensive.

This sounds anti-semitic. Who gets to decide who is Jewish?

Well... Jewish law has a lot of discussion about this actually. Jews get to decide who is Jewish, and Christian missionary groups that try to offer "Messianic Judaism" as a culturally sensitive way to become Christian are, in fact, antisemitic.

The Jews they are able to convert to this everything bagel-scented Christianity had weak Jewish affiliations to begin with or have psychological problems.

They see themselves as Jewish, so if you agree that Jews get to decide, then they’ve decided they’re Jews, right? You repeatedly trying to just write them off as psychologically disturbed says more about you than about them.

They believe Jesus was the messiah, ergo, they are not Jewish. They’re Christians with Jewish trappings, and their insistence that they, not the rest of us, are the only ones who truly understand Judaism is what people especially don’t like about them.

Jews believe that a messiah will come. So believing a messiah has come is consistent. Jesus never claimed to be anything different from Jewish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not true. They feel extra persecuted because they’re Christians who claim they’re Jewish and they don’t understand why Jews find that obnoxious and offensive.

This sounds anti-semitic. Who gets to decide who is Jewish?

Well... Jewish law has a lot of discussion about this actually. Jews get to decide who is Jewish, and Christian missionary groups that try to offer "Messianic Judaism" as a culturally sensitive way to become Christian are, in fact, antisemitic.

The Jews they are able to convert to this everything bagel-scented Christianity had weak Jewish affiliations to begin with or have psychological problems.

They see themselves as Jewish, so if you agree that Jews get to decide, then they’ve decided they’re Jews, right? You repeatedly trying to just write them off as psychologically disturbed says more about you than about them.

Rachel Dolezol doesn’t get to decide who is black because she lied and said she was black. You can’t “identify” your way into everything. Judaism is a tribal religion and you have to have your conversion validated by the community. This isn’t like Christianity or Islam where you can just say “I believe” and then you are one of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A woman in my daughter's Girl Scout leadership has mentioned that she's a Messianic Jew but that her family hasn't been able to find a local congregation because anyone who starts one up gets sued by Jewish groups. Just wondering if this is true. What would the basis for the lawsuit be?

It's not true but the people who are attracted to Jews for Jesus (as they used to be called) have a screw loose. It's not hard to imagine they may believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories, too.

Found the dumber post.

All religions are a little crazy, but we understand that your ethnic culture has an effect on your mindset.

But mixing two religions (with belief, not merely ethnically blending in a marriage/family) is double crazy.

This comment shows a stunning lack of cultural literacy. With the possible exception of Luke all of the attributed authors of the New Testament are Jewish. And the four most important figures in the New Testament were Jewish: Jesus, Mary, Peter (first Pope) and Paul (the most important convert).

For better or worse, Christianity is Jewish in its origin DNA and it was founded, started and advanced by Jews (even if that what not exactly the intent). It can’t possibly be shocking to either side that some straddle the middle.

To be clear, I’m not getting into the substance of the matter. But calling someone who sits in the middle here “crazy” or “screws loose” is hugely disrespectful on a matter of faith.