Pre-algebra in 6th - score cutoffs

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea. BUT I will say my kid missed the cut off and I asked him to be placed in pre-algebra anyway. He was placed and his grade for Q1 is 98% and it's his favorite class. So, the cut offs aren't the best predicators for success in the class IMO.

There isn't much difference between Math 6 and Pre-Alg 6-7-8. The big difference happens in 7th grade, when the Pre-Alg 6-7-8 kids move to Intensified Algebra in 7th grade -- which is a high school credit class. In my experience, a lot of the parents who pushed their kids into Pre-Alg 6-7-8 in 6th grade were the same parents who ended up hiring math tutors in 7th grade. APS has the score cutoffs for a reason.

The difference is that you won’t have kids several grade levels behind in pre-algebra.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea. BUT I will say my kid missed the cut off and I asked him to be placed in pre-algebra anyway. He was placed and his grade for Q1 is 98% and it's his favorite class. So, the cut offs aren't the best predicators for success in the class IMO.

There isn't much difference between Math 6 and Pre-Alg 6-7-8. The big difference happens in 7th grade, when the Pre-Alg 6-7-8 kids move to Intensified Algebra in 7th grade -- which is a high school credit class. In my experience, a lot of the parents who pushed their kids into Pre-Alg 6-7-8 in 6th grade were the same parents who ended up hiring math tutors in 7th grade. APS has the score cutoffs for a reason.

Well I will check back in a year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some other districts in USA use 230 for Prealgebra readiness (which IMO is too low for advanced learners who expect to get a high A in math classes. I'd recommend 240-250 for Fall of year before Prealgebra)

But the MAP is a poor test for this purpose so correlations are weak.

Over in FCPS, 91%ile in 6th grade is used for Algebra in 7th

I don't know that you can even get a 250 in the fall of 5th grade. The charts I looked at topped out at 244 as the top score. But that seems like a reasonable range (240-250) for spring of 5th and aligns with the 91st+ percentile that FCPS uses.

oh thanks!

Just know that my post is based on Google searching and not any actual information from APS.

Can you please share a link?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some other districts in USA use 230 for Prealgebra readiness (which IMO is too low for advanced learners who expect to get a high A in math classes. I'd recommend 240-250 for Fall of year before Prealgebra)

But the MAP is a poor test for this purpose so correlations are weak.

Over in FCPS, 91%ile in 6th grade is used for Algebra in 7th

I don't know that you can even get a 250 in the fall of 5th grade. The charts I looked at topped out at 244 as the top score. But that seems like a reasonable range (240-250) for spring of 5th and aligns with the 91st+ percentile that FCPS uses.

oh thanks!

Just know that my post is based on Google searching and not any actual information from APS.

Can you please share a link?

https://masterygenius.com/blog/nwea-map-scores/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea. BUT I will say my kid missed the cut off and I asked him to be placed in pre-algebra anyway. He was placed and his grade for Q1 is 98% and it's his favorite class. So, the cut offs aren't the best predicators for success in the class IMO.

There isn't much difference between Math 6 and Pre-Alg 6-7-8. The big difference happens in 7th grade, when the Pre-Alg 6-7-8 kids move to Intensified Algebra in 7th grade -- which is a high school credit class. In my experience, a lot of the parents who pushed their kids into Pre-Alg 6-7-8 in 6th grade were the same parents who ended up hiring math tutors in 7th grade. APS has the score cutoffs for a reason.

Well, wasn’t true for my kid… did well in algebra in 7th, geometry in 8th, and currently doing well in algebra ii in 9th. But at least when he was younger, just being in the advanced math class in 6th did not automatically translate to algebra in 7th. They had high cutoff scores for that, and most kids were not placed in algebra in 7th because the cutoffs were so high. I don’t know if that is still the case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some other districts in USA use 230 for Prealgebra readiness (which IMO is too low for advanced learners who expect to get a high A in math classes. I'd recommend 240-250 for Fall of year before Prealgebra)

But the MAP is a poor test for this purpose so correlations are weak.

Over in FCPS, 91%ile in 6th grade is used for Algebra in 7th

I don't know that you can even get a 250 in the fall of 5th grade. The charts I looked at topped out at 244 as the top score. But that seems like a reasonable range (240-250) for spring of 5th and aligns with the 91st+ percentile that FCPS uses.

oh thanks!

Just know that my post is based on Google searching and not any actual information from APS.

Can you please share a link?

https://masterygenius.com/blog/nwea-map-scores/

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

If anyone can get APS to tell them what the cutoffs will be before we get the letters over the summer, that would be fantastic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If anyone can get APS to tell them what the cutoffs will be before we get the letters over the summer, that would be fantastic.

They also factor in SOL scores (550+)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anyone can get APS to tell them what the cutoffs will be before we get the letters over the summer, that would be fantastic.

They also factor in SOL scores (550+)

And Cogat 126+

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea. BUT I will say my kid missed the cut off and I asked him to be placed in pre-algebra anyway. He was placed and his grade for Q1 is 98% and it's his favorite class. So, the cut offs aren't the best predicators for success in the class IMO.

There isn't much difference between Math 6 and Pre-Alg 6-7-8. The big difference happens in 7th grade, when the Pre-Alg 6-7-8 kids move to Intensified Algebra in 7th grade -- which is a high school credit class. In my experience, a lot of the parents who pushed their kids into Pre-Alg 6-7-8 in 6th grade were the same parents who ended up hiring math tutors in 7th grade. APS has the score cutoffs for a reason.

This has my observation as well with two cohorts. One kid was so traumatized by Int Alg 1 that they never took intensified again. HATED math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anyone can get APS to tell them what the cutoffs will be before we get the letters over the summer, that would be fantastic.

They also factor in SOL scores (550+)

And Cogat 126+

Most of the current 5th graders never took a real Cogat because of COVID. There was a short screener, but they never got the real test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anyone can get APS to tell them what the cutoffs will be before we get the letters over the summer, that would be fantastic.

They also factor in SOL scores (550+)

And Cogat 126+

2nd grade Cogat scores?

[Anonymous]

Yes, 2nd grade Cogat but you can have it re-administered, especially given the impact of COVID on those years for current 5th graders.

Does anyone else’s test explanations not work? I am unrealistically hoping it says something like “we see your kid needs…(blank)” but mine just spins and reloads the title box without content.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, 2nd grade Cogat but you can have it re-administered, especially given the impact of COVID on those years for current 5th graders.

Does anyone else’s test explanations not work? I am unrealistically hoping it says something like “we see your kid needs…(blank)” but mine just spins and reloads the title box without content.

APS hasn't readministered it to the current 5th graders, to the best of my understanding. The current 5th graders missed the 2nd grade Cogat testing because schools were closed for COVID. There was a make up screener in spring of 3rd for those who were back part time in person, but not the normal test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, 2nd grade Cogat but you can have it re-administered, especially given the impact of COVID on those years for current 5th graders.

Does anyone else’s test explanations not work? I am unrealistically hoping it says something like “we see your kid needs…(blank)” but mine just spins and reloads the title box without content.

APS hasn't readministered it to the current 5th graders, to the best of my understanding. The current 5th graders missed the 2nd grade Cogat testing because schools were closed for COVID. There was a make up screener in spring of 3rd for those who were back part time in person, but not the normal test.

My 5th grader took it last year upon request from us. All kids without a full test can take it again (or they will be given it in middle school anyway).