Pre-algebra in 6th - score cutoffs

[Anonymous]

Now that APS has posted BOY testing scores, does anyone know what SOL or MAP score will be expected to be placed into pre-Algebra in 6th grade?

I know there used to be a Math Inventory cutoff, but I don't know if APS has shared the new cutoff for the MAP test.

APS doesn't provide much information about the MAP scores, but Google tells me that the 90-99th percentile score for fall of 5th grade is 229-244. For spring of 5th grade 90-99th percentile is 240-258.

[Anonymous]

No, but I came here to ask the same thing.

[Anonymous]

I have no idea. BUT I will say my kid missed the cut off and I asked him to be placed in pre-algebra anyway. He was placed and his grade for Q1 is 98% and it's his favorite class. So, the cut offs aren't the best predicators for success in the class IMO.

[Anonymous]

Neither of my kid have had their BOY test results posted on ParentVue, so maybe they haven't gotten to every school yet (my kids aren't at the same school).

I think the SOL score last year 550+

[Anonymous]

Some other districts in USA use 230 for Prealgebra readiness (which IMO is too low for advanced learners who expect to get a high A in math classes. I'd recommend 240-250 for Fall of year before Prealgebra)

But the MAP is a poor test for this purpose so correlations are weak.

Over in FCPS, 91%ile in 6th grade is used for Algebra in 7th

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Neither of my kid have had their BOY test results posted on ParentVue, so maybe they haven't gotten to every school yet (my kids aren't at the same school).

I think the SOL score last year 550+

It's up for both my kids, but not in "Documents" like prior years. There's a new tab called "Test Scores," in case you missed it with the new format.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some other districts in USA use 230 for Prealgebra readiness (which IMO is too low for advanced learners who expect to get a high A in math classes. I'd recommend 240-250 for Fall of year before Prealgebra)

But the MAP is a poor test for this purpose so correlations are weak.

Over in FCPS, 91%ile in 6th grade is used for Algebra in 7th

I don't know that you can even get a 250 in the fall of 5th grade. The charts I looked at topped out at 244 as the top score. But that seems like a reasonable range (240-250) for spring of 5th and aligns with the 91st+ percentile that FCPS uses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some other districts in USA use 230 for Prealgebra readiness (which IMO is too low for advanced learners who expect to get a high A in math classes. I'd recommend 240-250 for Fall of year before Prealgebra)

But the MAP is a poor test for this purpose so correlations are weak.

Over in FCPS, 91%ile in 6th grade is used for Algebra in 7th

I don't know that you can even get a 250 in the fall of 5th grade. The charts I looked at topped out at 244 as the top score. But that seems like a reasonable range (240-250) for spring of 5th and aligns with the 91st+ percentile that FCPS uses.

oh thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some other districts in USA use 230 for Prealgebra readiness (which IMO is too low for advanced learners who expect to get a high A in math classes. I'd recommend 240-250 for Fall of year before Prealgebra)

But the MAP is a poor test for this purpose so correlations are weak.

Over in FCPS, 91%ile in 6th grade is used for Algebra in 7th

I don't know that you can even get a 250 in the fall of 5th grade. The charts I looked at topped out at 244 as the top score. But that seems like a reasonable range (240-250) for spring of 5th and aligns with the 91st+ percentile that FCPS uses.

oh thanks!

Just know that my post is based on Google searching and not any actual information from APS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some other districts in USA use 230 for Prealgebra readiness (which IMO is too low for advanced learners who expect to get a high A in math classes. I'd recommend 240-250 for Fall of year before Prealgebra)

But the MAP is a poor test for this purpose so correlations are weak.

Over in FCPS, 91%ile in 6th grade is used for Algebra in 7th

I don't know that you can even get a 250 in the fall of 5th grade. The charts I looked at topped out at 244 as the top score. But that seems like a reasonable range (240-250) for spring of 5th and aligns with the 91st+ percentile that FCPS uses.

oh thanks!

Just know that my post is based on Google searching and not any actual information from APS.

Ha, i actually meant to say thanks to the poster who told me where to find the scores! But thanks to you too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some other districts in USA use 230 for Prealgebra readiness (which IMO is too low for advanced learners who expect to get a high A in math classes. I'd recommend 240-250 for Fall of year before Prealgebra)

But the MAP is a poor test for this purpose so correlations are weak.

Over in FCPS, 91%ile in 6th grade is used for Algebra in 7th

I don't know that you can even get a 250 in the fall of 5th grade. The charts I looked at topped out at 244 as the top score. But that seems like a reasonable range (240-250) for spring of 5th and aligns with the 91st+ percentile that FCPS uses.

You can score off the charts, my 6th grader did by 6 points

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea. BUT I will say my kid missed the cut off and I asked him to be placed in pre-algebra anyway. He was placed and his grade for Q1 is 98% and it's his favorite class. So, the cut offs aren't the best predicators for success in the class IMO.

There isn't much difference between Math 6 and Pre-Alg 6-7-8. The big difference happens in 7th grade, when the Pre-Alg 6-7-8 kids move to Intensified Algebra in 7th grade -- which is a high school credit class. In my experience, a lot of the parents who pushed their kids into Pre-Alg 6-7-8 in 6th grade were the same parents who ended up hiring math tutors in 7th grade. APS has the score cutoffs for a reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea. BUT I will say my kid missed the cut off and I asked him to be placed in pre-algebra anyway. He was placed and his grade for Q1 is 98% and it's his favorite class. So, the cut offs aren't the best predicators for success in the class IMO.

There isn't much difference between Math 6 and Pre-Alg 6-7-8. The big difference happens in 7th grade, when the Pre-Alg 6-7-8 kids move to Intensified Algebra in 7th grade -- which is a high school credit class. In my experience, a lot of the parents who pushed their kids into Pre-Alg 6-7-8 in 6th grade were the same parents who ended up hiring math tutors in 7th grade. APS has the score cutoffs for a reason.

My 8th grader is in Alg 1 intensified and it isn’t him - he understands the material when I teach it but doesn’t when he relies on the teaching methods at school. I suspect the tutors are for parents who don’t have the time or knowledge to tutor themselves. If I couldn’t teach it, he would need a tutor because the teacher isn’t great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea. BUT I will say my kid missed the cut off and I asked him to be placed in pre-algebra anyway. He was placed and his grade for Q1 is 98% and it's his favorite class. So, the cut offs aren't the best predicators for success in the class IMO.

There isn't much difference between Math 6 and Pre-Alg 6-7-8. The big difference happens in 7th grade, when the Pre-Alg 6-7-8 kids move to Intensified Algebra in 7th grade -- which is a high school credit class. In my experience, a lot of the parents who pushed their kids into Pre-Alg 6-7-8 in 6th grade were the same parents who ended up hiring math tutors in 7th grade. APS has the score cutoffs for a reason.

My 8th grader is in Alg 1 intensified and it isn’t him - he understands the material when I teach it but doesn’t when he relies on the teaching methods at school. I suspect the tutors are for parents who don’t have the time or knowledge to tutor themselves. If I couldn’t teach it, he would need a tutor because the teacher isn’t great.

Which middle school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea. BUT I will say my kid missed the cut off and I asked him to be placed in pre-algebra anyway. He was placed and his grade for Q1 is 98% and it's his favorite class. So, the cut offs aren't the best predicators for success in the class IMO.

There isn't much difference between Math 6 and Pre-Alg 6-7-8. The big difference happens in 7th grade, when the Pre-Alg 6-7-8 kids move to Intensified Algebra in 7th grade -- which is a high school credit class. In my experience, a lot of the parents who pushed their kids into Pre-Alg 6-7-8 in 6th grade were the same parents who ended up hiring math tutors in 7th grade. APS has the score cutoffs for a reason.

6-7-8 has more pre-Geometry.