ECNL Mid-Atlantic Girls - Halfway Point

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly ECNL or other expensive league is another club experience membership for privileged families. Compare it to a vacation club membership. Likely a low number players would make it and play one or two years at top colleges. The rest would go to low profile colleges or would prefer not to play.

75 percent of top women’s soccer college programs are ECNL. Rest is GA and international. For D1 this number holds true. Not sure what you are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Older ECNL parent here. With the goal of college in mind, even the team performance isn't as important as the individual. It really is all about your DD and playing in ECNL and your club go to pedigree.

On social media I saw a class of 2025 Union player commit to UCLA but the team is nowhere near the top of the mid atlantic let alone nationally.

Agreed, with my DD already committed. She has less interest on showcases and winning nationals than she does to continue on what her college coach has asked her to work on. With 7 commits already on the team, no kid seems to care about winning/losing these games...focus is definitely shifted to individual improvement....I do not think USA youth soccer will ever be set up to give 2 sheets about team winning...it has turned into a college soccer recruiting swamp

And not to say anything is wrong with that in the current model but this is another reason why the women’s national team is on the decline when the top of the pyramid for youth soccer currently is collegiate rather than the senior national team. The collegiate game and the international game are different.

Sure. But the goal for most is college not the national team.

I'd even say the goal of "most" kids who play soccer is to enjoy playing a sport they like. What's the percentage of kids playing in DMV who will go on and play in college? 5%? Yeah, don't even bring up national team, where it's .(lots of zeros)1%

How did we get to a place where everything needs to have an end goal? What happened to just doing things for the enjoyment? I spend a lot of money on golf equipment, family vacations, video games, hobbies, eating out because I enjoy it. They aren’t investments that have an end goal. Soccer is the same thing.

+1. It’s the journey, not the destination. As a pretty good former player who played high level but never made a dime at it, I will always treasure those years of practicing and playing.

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Anonymous wrote:Older ECNL parent here. With the goal of college in mind, even the team performance isn't as important as the individual. It really is all about your DD and playing in ECNL and your club go to pedigree.

On social media I saw a class of 2025 Union player commit to UCLA but the team is nowhere near the top of the mid atlantic let alone nationally.

Agreed, with my DD already committed. She has less interest on showcases and winning nationals than she does to continue on what her college coach has asked her to work on. With 7 commits already on the team, no kid seems to care about winning/losing these games...focus is definitely shifted to individual improvement....I do not think USA youth soccer will ever be set up to give 2 sheets about team winning...it has turned into a college soccer recruiting swamp

This is why the European have past the US in terms of women soccer. These are the ages where you learn how to play soccer as a team. This is just not the USWNT thing. Girls/women’s ECNL, College, Pro all play the same way because of this. It is some ugly and not really good soccer.

The USWNT in ‘23 if put back in 2015 and 2019 would have won the World Cup. The 2015 and 2019 teams would have lost in 2023. Things have changed. The athleticism and speed have equalized and it becomes a skill game.

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Anonymous wrote:Older ECNL parent here. With the goal of college in mind, even the team performance isn't as important as the individual. It really is all about your DD and playing in ECNL and your club go to pedigree.

On social media I saw a class of 2025 Union player commit to UCLA but the team is nowhere near the top of the mid atlantic let alone nationally.

Have you seen her play? I've seen a bunch of girls from the DMV commit to top schools (Duke, UVA etc.). They will never play at these schools but the parents have big influence at the schools and get them roster spots. Unfortunately they also blast it all over social media endlessly. Kid gets to school...ZERO minutes. Season over. Soccer career over, but great school. Not really sure why these top D1 programs want practice players at such a low level...can't be good for the team in the long run. There are commitment announcement that are earned by great players with athletic scholarships attached to them and there are commits with all types of behind the scenes efforts to make it to the social media blast that is from a soccer perspective "fake".

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Anonymous wrote:Older ECNL parent here. With the goal of college in mind, even the team performance isn't as important as the individual. It really is all about your DD and playing in ECNL and your club go to pedigree.

On social media I saw a class of 2025 Union player commit to UCLA but the team is nowhere near the top of the mid atlantic let alone nationally.

Have you seen her play? I've seen a bunch of girls from the DMV commit to top schools (Duke, UVA etc.). They will never play at these schools but the parents have big influence at the schools and get them roster spots. Unfortunately they also blast it all over social media endlessly. Kid gets to school...ZERO minutes. Season over. Soccer career over, but great school. Not really sure why these top D1 programs want practice players at such a low level...can't be good for the team in the long run. There are commitment announcement that are earned by great players with athletic scholarships attached to them and there are commits with all types of behind the scenes efforts to make it to the social media blast that is from a soccer perspective "fake".

College soccer is just part time amateur soccer. The college administration do not care about it. It has the same importance as college baseball…which is pretty close to zero. There is no pressure to win. Bad coaches(as measured by their record) stay for years and years. It is a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you seen her play? I've seen a bunch of girls from the DMV commit to top schools (Duke, UVA etc.). They will never play at these schools but the parents have big influence at the schools and get them roster spots. Unfortunately they also blast it all over social media endlessly. Kid gets to school...ZERO minutes. Season over. Soccer career over, but great school. Not really sure why these top D1 programs want practice players at such a low level...can't be good for the team in the long run. There are commitment announcement that are earned by great players with athletic scholarships attached to them and there are commits with all types of behind the scenes efforts to make it to the social media blast that is from a soccer perspective "fake".

Not sure your point in this response. Sure, some players from the DMV make top college rosters and don't get significant playing time at that level. And an easy Google search can also illustrate plenty of DMV players who are or were successful at the top college and national level. Are you trying to say NO DMV player is successful at the top college programs? Because that seems like a baseless and easily debatable opinion.

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Top college teams like Duke/UVA add from 5 to 8-ish new players every year. Every one of them was probably the best player from their ECNL/GA team, but in college they are just one of dozens. The level of play going from club to top college is a big step up. Just making it to the roster is a real accomplishment. There are NFL players who never see the field but they are still impressive, elite players. Someone needs to ride the bench on every team.

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Anonymous wrote:Older ECNL parent here. With the goal of college in mind, even the team performance isn't as important as the individual. It really is all about your DD and playing in ECNL and your club go to pedigree.

On social media I saw a class of 2025 Union player commit to UCLA but the team is nowhere near the top of the mid atlantic let alone nationally.

Have you seen her play? I've seen a bunch of girls from the DMV commit to top schools (Duke, UVA etc.). They will never play at these schools but the parents have big influence at the schools and get them roster spots. Unfortunately they also blast it all over social media endlessly. Kid gets to school...ZERO minutes. Season over. Soccer career over, but great school. Not really sure why these top D1 programs want practice players at such a low level...can't be good for the team in the long run. There are commitment announcement that are earned by great players with athletic scholarships attached to them and there are commits with all types of behind the scenes efforts to make it to the social media blast that is from a soccer perspective "fake".

You are off. No parent has any control over UCLA, Duke, and UVA unless they are billionaires. Get a grip. These local kids will in fact play. Their goal is to go to college. And play and they will. You are living in a world that does not exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Older ECNL parent here. With the goal of college in mind, even the team performance isn't as important as the individual. It really is all about your DD and playing in ECNL and your club go to pedigree.

On social media I saw a class of 2025 Union player commit to UCLA but the team is nowhere near the top of the mid atlantic let alone nationally.

Have you seen her play? I've seen a bunch of girls from the DMV commit to top schools (Duke, UVA etc.). They will never play at these schools but the parents have big influence at the schools and get them roster spots. Unfortunately they also blast it all over social media endlessly. Kid gets to school...ZERO minutes. Season over. Soccer career over, but great school. Not really sure why these top D1 programs want practice players at such a low level...can't be good for the team in the long run. There are commitment announcement that are earned by great players with athletic scholarships attached to them and there are commits with all types of behind the scenes efforts to make it to the social media blast that is from a soccer perspective "fake".

You are off. No parent has any control over UCLA, Duke, and UVA unless they are billionaires. Get a grip. These local kids will in fact play. Their goal is to go to college. And play and they will. You are living in a world that does not exist.

check the zero minutes at these schools. it exists. it happens every year and NO...they will not play. politics and money for the prestige of the roster spot at a great school. and YES the good players will play. we have a bunch of great players from the DMV. wasn't the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Older ECNL parent here. With the goal of college in mind, even the team performance isn't as important as the individual. It really is all about your DD and playing in ECNL and your club go to pedigree.

On social media I saw a class of 2025 Union player commit to UCLA but the team is nowhere near the top of the mid atlantic let alone nationally.

Have you seen her play? I've seen a bunch of girls from the DMV commit to top schools (Duke, UVA etc.). They will never play at these schools but the parents have big influence at the schools and get them roster spots. Unfortunately they also blast it all over social media endlessly. Kid gets to school...ZERO minutes. Season over. Soccer career over, but great school. Not really sure why these top D1 programs want practice players at such a low level...can't be good for the team in the long run. There are commitment announcement that are earned by great players with athletic scholarships attached to them and there are commits with all types of behind the scenes efforts to make it to the social media blast that is from a soccer perspective "fake".

You are off. No parent has any control over UCLA, Duke, and UVA unless they are billionaires. Get a grip. These local kids will in fact play. Their goal is to go to college. And play and they will. You are living in a world that does not exist.

check the zero minutes at these schools. it exists. it happens every year and NO...they will not play. politics and money for the prestige of the roster spot at a great school. and YES the good players will play. we have a bunch of great players from the DMV. wasn't the point.

Of course there are people with zero minutes. So does Alabama football. Your comment was that the girls from the dmv are subpar and get slots because of politics. That is nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Older ECNL parent here. With the goal of college in mind, even the team performance isn't as important as the individual. It really is all about your DD and playing in ECNL and your club go to pedigree.

On social media I saw a class of 2025 Union player commit to UCLA but the team is nowhere near the top of the mid atlantic let alone nationally.

Have you seen her play? I've seen a bunch of girls from the DMV commit to top schools (Duke, UVA etc.). They will never play at these schools but the parents have big influence at the schools and get them roster spots. Unfortunately they also blast it all over social media endlessly. Kid gets to school...ZERO minutes. Season over. Soccer career over, but great school. Not really sure why these top D1 programs want practice players at such a low level...can't be good for the team in the long run. There are commitment announcement that are earned by great players with athletic scholarships attached to them and there are commits with all types of behind the scenes efforts to make it to the social media blast that is from a soccer perspective "fake".

You are off. No parent has any control over UCLA, Duke, and UVA unless they are billionaires. Get a grip. These local kids will in fact play. Their goal is to go to college. And play and they will. You are living in a world that does not exist.

check the zero minutes at these schools. it exists. it happens every year and NO...they will not play. politics and money for the prestige of the roster spot at a great school. and YES the good players will play. we have a bunch of great players from the DMV. wasn't the point.

There are zero minutes players on every d1 team in every sport. Football, basketball, soccer. In football even some of the scholarship players get no playing time. Just like there are pros who get zero playing time. The coaches like a large pool of players to pull from in case of injuries, for practice squads.

Why are you bothered that there are players willing to be part of a team, put in all the practice and workouts, even if they don’t get any game time?

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Anonymous wrote:Top college teams like Duke/UVA add from 5 to 8-ish new players every year. Every one of them was probably the best player from their ECNL/GA team, but in college they are just one of dozens. The level of play going from club to top college is a big step up. Just making it to the roster is a real accomplishment. There are NFL players who never see the field but they are still impressive, elite players. Someone needs to ride the bench on every team.

Lol no it is not. Go watch them play. As for playing time freshmen are lucky to get a few minutes in a blowout. If you are a junior or senior getting zero minutes it is really time to question what you are doing.

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Anonymous wrote:Top college teams like Duke/UVA add from 5 to 8-ish new players every year. Every one of them was probably the best player from their ECNL/GA team, but in college they are just one of dozens. The level of play going from club to top college is a big step up. Just making it to the roster is a real accomplishment. There are NFL players who never see the field but they are still impressive, elite players. Someone needs to ride the bench on every team.

Lol no it is not. Go watch them play. As for playing time freshmen are lucky to get a few minutes in a blowout. If you are a junior or senior getting zero minutes it is really time to question what you are doing.

The level of soccer is the same. The level of the players is certainly better. In a typical ECNL team, a few might eventually play for a power 5 D1 school. For really good club teams, maybe a few more. On the top college teams, every one of their players was one of the few standouts from the club teams, making the college teams like all star teams of the best players from club. This does not make the soccer level better, but it does mean all of their players are individually the best athletes and club players. The college game has faster and more physical players than club. In that aspect it is higher level

[Anonymous]

Here are the 2023 salaries for the two listed Pipeline Soccer Club (non-profit Foundation) owners and Sean Rush's mom:

(1) SEAN PATRICK RUSH $226,645 
(2) SANTINO QUARANTA VICE PRESIDENT  $240,000 
(3) MARYANN RUSH TREASURER $84,000

These salaries total $550,645.  The total club revenue was $3,625,000.  Total salaries were $1,885,333.

Just these three salaries constitute 15% of the revenue.  
Total salaries & comp = 52% of total revenue

Let's look at the United Way of Central Maryland which has an operating budget of $65,500,000 and total salaries of  $18,000,000:

Top Salaries = $984,000
CEO $347K
CFO $221K
CIO $210K
COO $206K

These top salaries constitute only 1.5% of the revenue.
However, total salaries constitute just 27% of revenue

BEST PRACTICES GUIDELINES FOR A NON-PROFIT REGARDING TOTAL SALARIES AS A % OF TOTAL REVENUE is 25-35%.

PIPELINE PARENTS....YOU NEED TO START ASKING QUESTIONS.  IS PIPELINE A NON-PROFIT FOUNDATION OR IS IT A MONEY MINTING MACHINE?

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Anonymous wrote:Older ECNL parent here. With the goal of college in mind, even the team performance isn't as important as the individual. It really is all about your DD and playing in ECNL and your club go to pedigree.

On social media I saw a class of 2025 Union player commit to UCLA but the team is nowhere near the top of the mid atlantic let alone nationally.

Have you seen her play? I've seen a bunch of girls from the DMV commit to top schools (Duke, UVA etc.). They will never play at these schools but the parents have big influence at the schools and get them roster spots. Unfortunately they also blast it all over social media endlessly. Kid gets to school...ZERO minutes. Season over. Soccer career over, but great school. Not really sure why these top D1 programs want practice players at such a low level...can't be good for the team in the long run. There are commitment announcement that are earned by great players with athletic scholarships attached to them and there are commits with all types of behind the scenes efforts to make it to the social media blast that is from a soccer perspective "fake".

You are off. No parent has any control over UCLA, Duke, and UVA unless they are billionaires. Get a grip. These local kids will in fact play. Their goal is to go to college. And play and they will. You are living in a world that does not exist.

Whoever posted this is not off. UCLA DUKE and UVA are taking players from the DMV with parents that have orchestrated the entire process of getting these roster spots. The schools had zero interest in these girls as soccer players until the parents put on the campaign to make it all happen. This person posting is bothered by it because the parents blast this crap in everyone's face on social media. I've seen all of these girls play after this was all pointed out to me and they will never play one meaningful minute at these schools. They will not play in a ACC game unless it's 8-0. I'm sure the kids are all great kids. The parents need to show some class and humility. One of these clowns is posting this garbage on linkedin.