Dollars and cents

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s cut to the chase: how much do you spend on club swimming on a per practice basis, annually?

I’m interested because I feel like we getting ripped off, especially since the coaches aren’t exactly coaching the kids at meets and practice. Kids show up and do the sets and get very little stroke feedback. Swim at meets but gets zero coaching there.

I’ve worked it out and we are paying around 40 dollars per practice.

And go!

Which club and what age/age group?

middle school aged, twice a week

Do they offer more sessions that you can't/don't make or is this all that is available?

How long are the practices and does your fee include meets or is that a separate fee?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s cut to the chase: how much do you spend on club swimming on a per practice basis, annually?

I’m interested because I feel like we getting ripped off, especially since the coaches aren’t exactly coaching the kids at meets and practice. Kids show up and do the sets and get very little stroke feedback. Swim at meets but gets zero coaching there.

I’ve worked it out and we are paying around 40 dollars per practice.

And go!

Which club and what age/age group?

middle school aged, twice a week

Do they offer more sessions that you can't/don't make or is this all that is available?

How long are the practices and does your fee include meets or is that a separate fee?

We pay for 2x per week. If we were to do three times per week, it would be more. We pay meet fees but they aren’t that expensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a MS aged kid at NCAP and we are paying roughly $23 per practice (my kid swims 5-6 days a week). This doesn’t factor in the meet fees, which are usually somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 a meet, and my kid swims between 10-15 meets a year.

Do you mind sharing which location? Because we are with NCAP and pay much more for much less.

One of the suburban VA locations.

thanks for narrowing it down….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s cut to the chase: how much do you spend on club swimming on a per practice basis, annually?

I’m interested because I feel like we getting ripped off, especially since the coaches aren’t exactly coaching the kids at meets and practice. Kids show up and do the sets and get very little stroke feedback. Swim at meets but gets zero coaching there.

I’ve worked it out and we are paying around 40 dollars per practice.

And go!

Which club and what age/age group?

middle school aged, twice a week

Do they offer more sessions that you can't/don't make or is this all that is available?

How long are the practices and does your fee include meets or is that a separate fee?

We pay for 2x per week. If we were to do three times per week, it would be more. We pay meet fees but they aren’t that expensive.

Practices are one hour long. It really seems like our club is very expensive for the area, which surprises me. And it looks like the high performance groups practice 5-6 times a week but pay the same rate as those who practice 3. So that’s kind of crappy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a MS aged kid at NCAP and we are paying roughly $23 per practice (my kid swims 5-6 days a week). This doesn’t factor in the meet fees, which are usually somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 a meet, and my kid swims between 10-15 meets a year.

10-15 meets. Our club swims like seven.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Without any estimating days off for meets and such (but did count two weeks off in spring, one of which includes a meet for those who travel) and our calendar actually starts two weeks earlier than what's listed with prices online, we are just under $100 per week for 45w of the year.

Just under $14 per practice at 7 swims per week.

RMSC NTG

We were RMSC NTG and I felt it was very reasonably priced for the # of practices and the level of competition. Plus meet fees were included.

True! It's hard to pull that out, but that makes it even less per practice! Or maybe breaks even since I didn't account for any days off for meets or holidays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a MS aged kid at NCAP and we are paying roughly $23 per practice (my kid swims 5-6 days a week). This doesn’t factor in the meet fees, which are usually somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 a meet, and my kid swims between 10-15 meets a year.

10-15 meets. Our club swims like seven.

There is usually one meet a month, then qualifier meets like IMX, NCSAs/Zones, NCAP Elite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s cut to the chase: how much do you spend on club swimming on a per practice basis, annually?

I’m interested because I feel like we getting ripped off, especially since the coaches aren’t exactly coaching the kids at meets and practice. Kids show up and do the sets and get very little stroke feedback. Swim at meets but gets zero coaching there.

I’ve worked it out and we are paying around 40 dollars per practice.

And go!

Which club and what age/age group?

middle school aged, twice a week

Do they offer more sessions that you can't/don't make or is this all that is available?

How long are the practices and does your fee include meets or is that a separate fee?

We pay for 2x per week. If we were to do three times per week, it would be more. We pay meet fees but they aren’t that expensive.

40 seems like a lot to me but I don't know what all the various rates are - DD who is in a 9-12 yo group that offers 5 practices a week it works out to - 12-15 per practice if you calculate based on 5/wk but we never do that many; that price includes meets as well, probably 1 a month or so.

[Anonymous]

Think of swimming cost like you do Costco vs Safeway. If you only want to buy the bare minimum the price per unit is going to be drastically higher than if you were to buy in bulk!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Think of swimming cost like you do Costco vs Safeway. If you only want to buy the bare minimum the price per unit is going to be drastically higher than if you were to buy in bulk!

But why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Think of swimming cost like you do Costco vs Safeway. If you only want to buy the bare minimum the price per unit is going to be drastically higher than if you were to buy in bulk!

This is what I have a problem with. We have a talented swimmer who can’t make 5 practices a week because they are heavily involved in another sport. The kids that do swim five days a week get much more attention at meets and in practice, even though they aren’t any faster or paying any more. How does this make any sense? Seems like a pyramid scheme.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think of swimming cost like you do Costco vs Safeway. If you only want to buy the bare minimum the price per unit is going to be drastically higher than if you were to buy in bulk!

This is what I have a problem with. We have a talented swimmer who can’t make 5 practices a week because they are heavily involved in another sport. The kids that do swim five days a week get much more attention at meets and in practice, even though they aren’t any faster or paying any more. How does this make any sense? Seems like a pyramid scheme.

This is just a natural consequence of having more face time with the coach. If you’re at practice 5 times a week and another kid is there only 3, you are getting more attention at practice because the coach is seeing the 5x a week kid 1.5x more a week. I’ve not noticed at meets the coaches treating the kids differently, but the goals may be different based on how committed the coach perceives a kid to be. Some clubs, or certain training groups within a club, are just not a cost-effective fit for kids who are multi-sport athletes once they hit MS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We did PAC for 2 years. It’s definitely at the power price point. It was $105 per month for 2-3 times a week practice.
Now my 11yo is just doing stroke and turn because she’s gone off club swim but wants to stay in shape for summer swim.

Question was there a particular reason why you left PAC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think of swimming cost like you do Costco vs Safeway. If you only want to buy the bare minimum the price per unit is going to be drastically higher than if you were to buy in bulk!

This is what I have a problem with. We have a talented swimmer who can’t make 5 practices a week because they are heavily involved in another sport. The kids that do swim five days a week get much more attention at meets and in practice, even though they aren’t any faster or paying any more. How does this make any sense? Seems like a pyramid scheme.

Our club team is quite open, including in parent meetings, about practice frequency being one metric for demonstrated commitment, and commitment being one qualification for advancement. Obviously kids who don't have the tines won't move up groups, but considering the extent to which swimming is an individual sport, a kid who likes another sport equally or better may eventually have to choose - at least that's how the teams feel. The limited coaches' attention goes to the people who are putting in the development time, not the kids who can just hop in and swim fast for their age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think of swimming cost like you do Costco vs Safeway. If you only want to buy the bare minimum the price per unit is going to be drastically higher than if you were to buy in bulk!

This is what I have a problem with. We have a talented swimmer who can’t make 5 practices a week because they are heavily involved in another sport. The kids that do swim five days a week get much more attention at meets and in practice, even though they aren’t any faster or paying any more. How does this make any sense? Seems like a pyramid scheme.

I don't think you really know what that means.