Why California’s Public Universities Are So Good

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Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

There is no grade inflation in public schools, you're taking a DMV problem and applying it to an areas you clearly have no experience with. We have kids in a Los Angeles HS and it is so much harder than it was at Whitman. Their grades are not just based on testing, they are based on contributions during class time, the content of their homework (not simply that it has been completed) and other projects. There's also a law that CA HS teachers can decide willy-nilly how to approach grading, without reproach. One teacher doesn't give an A in her class unless the kid is getting a 92% or higher. So they get a 90-91.75% and they have a B on their report card.

Grade inflation in California public schools has been well documented. Here’s just a few sources. https://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/_files/grade-inflation-in-california-high-schools.pdf, https://reason.com/2023/01/11/los-angles-public-schools-are-increasingly-passing-students-who-dont-meet-grade-level-standards/; https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-12-22/la-student-reports-card-grades-are-high-test-scores-are-low-why-the-big-disconnect

Incredibly, post Covid, some CA public schools have done away with the grades of D and F. A C is the lowest possible grade at those schools. https://edsource.org/2021/why-some-california-school-districts-are-changing-how-students-earn-grades/664226. ; https://newsnationnow.com/us-news/west/why-some-california-schools-are-changing-student-grades/

Thanks for the links. It is interesting that what has been "documented" is not in our current experience at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

There is no grade inflation in public schools, you're taking a DMV problem and applying it to an areas you clearly have no experience with. We have kids in a Los Angeles HS and it is so much harder than it was at Whitman. Their grades are not just based on testing, they are based on contributions during class time, the content of their homework (not simply that it has been completed) and other projects. There's also a law that CA HS teachers can decide willy-nilly how to approach grading, without reproach. One teacher doesn't give an A in her class unless the kid is getting a 92% or higher. So they get a 90-91.75% and they have a B on their report card.

Grade inflation in California public schools has been well documented. Here’s just a few sources. https://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/_files/grade-inflation-in-california-high-schools.pdf, https://reason.com/2023/01/11/los-angles-public-schools-are-increasingly-passing-students-who-dont-meet-grade-level-standards/; https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-12-22/la-student-reports-card-grades-are-high-test-scores-are-low-why-the-big-disconnect

Incredibly, post Covid, some CA public schools have done away with the grades of D and F. A C is the lowest possible grade at those schools. https://edsource.org/2021/why-some-california-school-districts-are-changing-how-students-earn-grades/664226. ; https://newsnationnow.com/us-news/west/why-some-california-schools-are-changing-student-grades/

Links didn’t work so reposting

https://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/_files/grade-inflation-in-california-high-schools.pdf

https://reason.com/2023/01/11/los-angles-public-schools-are-increasingly-passing-students-who-dont-meet-grade-level-standards/


https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-12-22/la-student-reports-card-grades-are-high-test-scores-are-low-why-the-big-disconnect

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

There is no grade inflation in public schools, you're taking a DMV problem and applying it to an areas you clearly have no experience with. We have kids in a Los Angeles HS and it is so much harder than it was at Whitman. Their grades are not just based on testing, they are based on contributions during class time, the content of their homework (not simply that it has been completed) and other projects. There's also a law that CA HS teachers can decide willy-nilly how to approach grading, without reproach. One teacher doesn't give an A in her class unless the kid is getting a 92% or higher. So they get a 90-91.75% and they have a B on their report card.

Grade inflation in California public schools has been well documented. Here’s just a few sources. https://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/_files/grade-inflation-in-california-high-schools.pdf, https://reason.com/2023/01/11/los-angles-public-schools-are-increasingly-passing-students-who-dont-meet-grade-level-standards/; https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-12-22/la-student-reports-card-grades-are-high-test-scores-are-low-why-the-big-disconnect

Incredibly, post Covid, some CA public schools have done away with the grades of D and F. A C is the lowest possible grade at those schools. https://edsource.org/2021/why-some-california-school-districts-are-changing-how-students-earn-grades/664226. ; https://newsnationnow.com/us-news/west/why-some-california-schools-are-changing-student-grades/

Thanks for the links. It is interesting that what has been "documented" is not in our current experience at all.

In terms pd admissions, the quality of an incoming class based on only gpa (and extracurriculars) with no standardized test scores, the overall trends in gpa at the majority of high schools is of course what matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

It's from a California native

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this ChatGPT or a terrible shill to get clicks on an article?

It definitely has that feel, guess the author ran it through a bot.

Hmmm.... yea it does have that bit of that GPT feel.

Also the 366 days is for the Cal State system, not UCs, which require two years to count as a resident.

I have tried to research but found no distinction between UCs and Cal State system. Do you have a link to something that indicates you need two years for UCs?

Sorry, I should have double checked, there's been a revision, this is much better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I gather if you work remote and your kid gets into a UC school, then there is nothing stopping you from moving to CA and then your kid gets residency for Soph - Senior years?

Yes, but the tradeoff is you'll pay CA taxes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

There is no grade inflation in public schools, you're taking a DMV problem and applying it to an areas you clearly have no experience with. We have kids in a Los Angeles HS and it is so much harder than it was at Whitman. Their grades are not just based on testing, they are based on contributions during class time, the content of their homework (not simply that it has been completed) and other projects. There's also a law that CA HS teachers can decide willy-nilly how to approach grading, without reproach. One teacher doesn't give an A in her class unless the kid is getting a 92% or higher. So they get a 90-91.75% and they have a B on their report card.

Grade inflation in California public schools has been well documented. Here’s just a few sources. https://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/_files/grade-inflation-in-california-high-schools.pdf, https://reason.com/2023/01/11/los-angles-public-schools-are-increasingly-passing-students-who-dont-meet-grade-level-standards/; https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-12-22/la-student-reports-card-grades-are-high-test-scores-are-low-why-the-big-disconnect

Incredibly, post Covid, some CA public schools have done away with the grades of D and F. A C is the lowest possible grade at those schools. https://edsource.org/2021/why-some-california-school-districts-are-changing-how-students-earn-grades/664226. ; https://newsnationnow.com/us-news/west/why-some-california-schools-are-changing-student-grades/

Thanks for the links. It is interesting that what has been "documented" is not in our current experience at all.

In terms pd admissions, the quality of an incoming class based on only gpa (and extracurriculars) with no standardized test scores, the overall trends in gpa at the majority of high schools is of course what matters.

Except also the UC system in terms of acceptance, favors the top 8% of each graduating class, as in they literally will guarantee a place at one of the UC colleges, so they look at the overall WGPA in isolation, in terms of each public school, not just as a whole group across every school in the state and not including privates in the same way. They don't get the guarantee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

There is no grade inflation in public schools, you're taking a DMV problem and applying it to an areas you clearly have no experience with. We have kids in a Los Angeles HS and it is so much harder than it was at Whitman. Their grades are not just based on testing, they are based on contributions during class time, the content of their homework (not simply that it has been completed) and other projects. There's also a law that CA HS teachers can decide willy-nilly how to approach grading, without reproach. One teacher doesn't give an A in her class unless the kid is getting a 92% or higher. So they get a 90-91.75% and they have a B on their report card.

Grade inflation in California public schools has been well documented. Here’s just a few sources. https://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/_files/grade-inflation-in-california-high-schools.pdf, https://reason.com/2023/01/11/los-angles-public-schools-are-increasingly-passing-students-who-dont-meet-grade-level-standards/; https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-12-22/la-student-reports-card-grades-are-high-test-scores-are-low-why-the-big-disconnect

Incredibly, post Covid, some CA public schools have done away with the grades of D and F. A C is the lowest possible grade at those schools. https://edsource.org/2021/why-some-california-school-districts-are-changing-how-students-earn-grades/664226. ; https://newsnationnow.com/us-news/west/why-some-california-schools-are-changing-student-grades/

Thanks for the links. It is interesting that what has been "documented" is not in our current experience at all.

In terms pd admissions, the quality of an incoming class based on only gpa (and extracurriculars) with no standardized test scores, the overall trends in gpa at the majority of high schools is of course what matters.

Extracurriculars don't matter that much for UC schools.

Grades have always mattered the most (even before they got rid of testing). Specifically, grades from 10th grade onward, adjusted for the difficulty of the course load.

That's why, unless they're gunning for privates, a common pattern for high schoolers who are aiming for Berkeley is to not take any APs freshman year, then take some soph year and really load up junior year. That maximizes your instate GPA. Junior year is the killer.

[Anonymous]

Also, while UC schools don't have honors colleges per se, the UCs have Regents' and Chancellors' Scholar Programs, which basically function that way--priority guaranteed housing for four years, priority class selection, assigned professor mentors, and fellowships.

The top student in my high school actually picked this option over Harvard.

[Anonymous]

UC campuses are beautiful and they have D1 sports/school spirit. In contrast, SUNY schools look like prisons and have zero school spirit and few sports. These things matter to 17 year olds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UC campuses are beautiful and they have D1 sports/school spirit. In contrast, SUNY schools look like prisons and have zero school spirit and few sports. These things matter to 17 year olds.

...and the weather .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

Doesn’t grade inflation happen at FCPS? And yet everyone extols the virtues of UVA. I don’t suggest anyone go to UCs from out of state, but for those of us who live in CA, it’s a great choice! And they have across the board scholarships for middle class families for FREE tuition!

What I don’t understand is why does everyone keep talking about and arguing about UCs? It’s not your public university so why do you even care about it, PP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, while UC schools don't have honors colleges per se, the UCs have Regents' and Chancellors' Scholar Programs, which basically function that way--priority guaranteed housing for four years, priority class selection, assigned professor mentors, and fellowships.

The top student in my high school actually picked this option over Harvard.

MY DS chose Berkeley and (Regents & Chancellor's Scholarship) over Caltech and Stanford.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

Doesn’t grade inflation happen at FCPS? And yet everyone extols the virtues of UVA. I don’t suggest anyone go to UCs from out of state, but for those of us who live in CA, it’s a great choice! And they have across the board scholarships for middle class families for FREE tuition!

What I don’t understand is why does everyone keep talking about and arguing about UCs? It’s not your public university so why do you even care about it, PP?

UVA is test optional, not test blind so they have a means of norming grades the UC system lacks.

I don’t particularly care about the UC system, just responding to a strange post lauding the system.

[Anonymous]

California invested a shit ton of money into its public university system prior to California property tax reform in the late 70s. They took the top students from California, tuition free. I think that investment is still paying dividends.