Why California’s Public Universities Are So Good

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

Doesn’t grade inflation happen at FCPS? And yet everyone extols the virtues of UVA. I don’t suggest anyone go to UCs from out of state, but for those of us who live in CA, it’s a great choice! And they have across the board scholarships for middle class families for FREE tuition!

What I don’t understand is why does everyone keep talking about and arguing about UCs? It’s not your public university so why do you even care about it, PP?

UVA is test optional, not test blind so they have a means of norming grades the UC system lacks.

I don’t particularly care about the UC system, just responding to a strange post lauding the system.

Well I agree that test scores are useful, and UCs are missing that piece for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

Doesn’t grade inflation happen at FCPS? And yet everyone extols the virtues of UVA. I don’t suggest anyone go to UCs from out of state, but for those of us who live in CA, it’s a great choice! And they have across the board scholarships for middle class families for FREE tuition!

What I don’t understand is why does everyone keep talking about and arguing about UCs? It’s not your public university so why do you even care about it, PP?

When did that start? I know there was free tuition back around my parents' generation (60's and 70's maybe?) but by the time I went to a UC in 1993, there was definitely tuition, and my family was middle class. If I remember correctly, tuition was roughly $4k/year. Cal States were cheaper, just under $2k per year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

Doesn’t grade inflation happen at FCPS? And yet everyone extols the virtues of UVA. I don’t suggest anyone go to UCs from out of state, but for those of us who live in CA, it’s a great choice! And they have across the board scholarships for middle class families for FREE tuition!

What I don’t understand is why does everyone keep talking about and arguing about UCs? It’s not your public university so why do you even care about it, PP?

When did that start? I know there was free tuition back around my parents' generation (60's and 70's maybe?) but by the time I went to a UC in 1993, there was definitely tuition, and my family was middle class. If I remember correctly, tuition was roughly $4k/year. Cal States were cheaper, just under $2k per year.

UCLA posts historic fees online: https://registrar.ucla.edu/archives/fees-archive

Yep, it was about 4,000 year in the late 1990s for tuition (not counting housing).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

Doesn’t grade inflation happen at FCPS? And yet everyone extols the virtues of UVA. I don’t suggest anyone go to UCs from out of state, but for those of us who live in CA, it’s a great choice! And they have across the board scholarships for middle class families for FREE tuition!

What I don’t understand is why does everyone keep talking about and arguing about UCs? It’s not your public university so why do you even care about it, PP?

When did that start? I know there was free tuition back around my parents' generation (60's and 70's maybe?) but by the time I went to a UC in 1993, there was definitely tuition, and my family was middle class. If I remember correctly, tuition was roughly $4k/year. Cal States were cheaper, just under $2k per year.

UCLA posts historic fees online: https://registrar.ucla.edu/archives/fees-archive

Yep, it was about 4,000 year in the late 1990s for tuition (not counting housing).

I can't look at that link. It's too depressing to see how much tuition has risen. But we are in-state for CA and hope to be paying that in a few years time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

Doesn’t grade inflation happen at FCPS? And yet everyone extols the virtues of UVA. I don’t suggest anyone go to UCs from out of state, but for those of us who live in CA, it’s a great choice! And they have across the board scholarships for middle class families for FREE tuition!

What I don’t understand is why does everyone keep talking about and arguing about UCs? It’s not your public university so why do you even care about it, PP?

When did that start? I know there was free tuition back around my parents' generation (60's and 70's maybe?) but by the time I went to a UC in 1993, there was definitely tuition, and my family was middle class. If I remember correctly, tuition was roughly $4k/year. Cal States were cheaper, just under $2k per year.

UCLA posts historic fees online: https://registrar.ucla.edu/archives/fees-archive

Yep, it was about 4,000 year in the late 1990s for tuition (not counting housing).

I can't look at that link. It's too depressing to see how much tuition has risen. But we are in-state for CA and hope to be paying that in a few years time.

I'm 40 and it was 60k (roughly) all-in with housing for four years there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

Doesn’t grade inflation happen at FCPS? And yet everyone extols the virtues of UVA. I don’t suggest anyone go to UCs from out of state, but for those of us who live in CA, it’s a great choice! And they have across the board scholarships for middle class families for FREE tuition!

What I don’t understand is why does everyone keep talking about and arguing about UCs? It’s not your public university so why do you even care about it, PP?

When did that start? I know there was free tuition back around my parents' generation (60's and 70's maybe?) but by the time I went to a UC in 1993, there was definitely tuition, and my family was middle class. If I remember correctly, tuition was roughly $4k/year. Cal States were cheaper, just under $2k per year.

I went to a cal state in the 90s. By the time I graduated, tuition had doubled. Same for UCs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:California invested a shit ton of money into its public university system prior to California property tax reform in the late 70s. They took the top students from California, tuition free. I think that investment is still paying dividends.

The student surveys for UC schools on teaching and commitment to undergraduate education are not good relative to other public universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:California invested a shit ton of money into its public university system prior to California property tax reform in the late 70s. They took the top students from California, tuition free. I think that investment is still paying dividends.

The student surveys for UC schools on teaching and commitment to undergraduate education are not good relative to other public universities.

Do you have a source / link ? TIA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UC campuses are beautiful and they have D1 sports/school spirit. In contrast, SUNY schools look like prisons and have zero school spirit and few sports. These things matter to 17 year olds.

Love this post !

These things matter to folks of all ages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:California invested a shit ton of money into its public university system prior to California property tax reform in the late 70s. They took the top students from California, tuition free. I think that investment is still paying dividends.

The student surveys for UC schools on teaching and commitment to undergraduate education are not good relative to other public universities.

I think you're on every California thread saying kids are locked out of class choices. Then an actual parent of someone at UCLA or Berkeley comes along and debunks it. I do wonder if you're suffering from some kind of degenerative disorder (I mean this seriously).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strangest post on this forum in quite a while.

Let’s see where the Ca schools are in a decade after years of this test blind nonsense and rampant grade inflation in their k-12 system.

Doesn’t grade inflation happen at FCPS? And yet everyone extols the virtues of UVA. I don’t suggest anyone go to UCs from out of state, but for those of us who live in CA, it’s a great choice! And they have across the board scholarships for middle class families for FREE tuition!

What I don’t understand is why does everyone keep talking about and arguing about UCs? It’s not your public university so why do you even care about it, PP?

When did that start? I know there was free tuition back around my parents' generation (60's and 70's maybe?) but by the time I went to a UC in 1993, there was definitely tuition, and my family was middle class. If I remember correctly, tuition was roughly $4k/year. Cal States were cheaper, just under $2k per year.

Sorry, it's free tuition & fees for those families making under $80k - Blue & Gold tuition plan. The Middle Class scholarship provides tuition assistance for families making under $217k (don't quote me that; it changes year-to-year also). It does not cover the full tuition amount, but it helps. Community college is also free for California students at most campuses. There is also a Cal Grant program. There are a bunch of programs in place to make college more affordable. I do think they're fairly recent. Maybe in the last 5 years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I gather if you work remote and your kid gets into a UC school, then there is nothing stopping you from moving to CA and then your kid gets residency for Soph - Senior years?

You can do that? 366 days before Sophomore year and you get in-state tuition?

I will check myself of course, but this could be a game changer for us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I gather if you work remote and your kid gets into a UC school, then there is nothing stopping you from moving to CA and then your kid gets residency for Soph - Senior years?

You can do that? 366 days before Sophomore year and you get in-state tuition?

I will check myself of course, but this could be a game changer for us.

You need to be paying income taxes only in CA. My DD is a senior at UCLA. During her Freshman year, DH joined a company in SF and moved there, while I stayed in the DMV because I run a company here. We both go back and forth and spend about 50% of our time in each city. But we couldn't get in state tuition for DD because BOTH of us had to change residency to CA, get a CA driver's license, and pay both of our income taxes in CA. And we both have to live full-time in CA.

BTW - DD LOVES UCLA and has had an amazing experience there even with her first year on-line (she moved there anyway and lived in an off-campus apartment, made a ton of friends and had a blast). The PP who said the campuses are beautiful and the weather amazing is spot on. And UCLA on her resume has opened a lot of doors to great internships and job offers. She will probably be staying in CA after graduation. She also has friends at Berkeley and UCSB and everyone loves their experiences.

For all of the problems that CA has, you just can't beat the quality of life there. Whenver we go out into nature for a hike or on a boat in the SF Bay, DH always says we are paying high taxes for this lifestyle and views. After having spent a lot of time on both coasts, the DMV just can't compare to the life in CA. I'm sure lots of you will jump in and try to prove me wrong. But we prefer the lifestyle in CA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Great options for Californians.
Hard pass from DMV area.

My DMV kid can’t wait to start there next month.

[Anonymous]

If I lived in CA, UC would be the only way to go with the instate tuition benefits.
Living OOS though, there is no way in hell the OOS costs are worth the underfunded overcrowded experience. maybe if the OOS costs were half what they are?…