Daycare violating child to teacher ratio

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Ratios vary by locality and you did not share the location of your daycare. If you think they are violating licensing requirements, contact the DSS. This is a non-negotiable requirement and I don’t understand why you have t already said something.


It is DC, I have checked the requirements online. I am afraid to create trouble as I do not plan to leave that daycare. It is the cheapest in the area and it is not that bad otherwise.


DP. Frankly, this kind of thing is why they are the cheapest. If you report it, the daycare may very well have to drop some families unless/until they can hire more staff. I’m not saying it’s okay, but it’s reality. The squeaky wheel is likely to be dropped first, so if you report it I would have a back-up plan in mind.


How can they remove me? The main problem is the stuff, the extra kid does not happen often - a few times per 6 months, BUT pulling kids into one room because the stuff hours do not match the daycare hours is a problem. The daycare used to work till 6 pm before COVID, the licence say 6:30pm , when we join it was till 5:30 and parents had to fight to move it to 5:45 with some increase in tuition

Is it 5 times in two months, or just a few times over six months? Your description of the issue is not consistent.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ratios vary by locality and you did not share the location of your daycare. If you think they are violating licensing requirements, contact the DSS. This is a non-negotiable requirement and I don’t understand why you have t already said something.


It is DC, I have checked the requirements online. I am afraid to create trouble as I do not plan to leave that daycare. It is the cheapest in the area and it is not that bad otherwise.

Failing to maintain proper ratios is bad.

Shall I try to properly document it with videos and pictures as they can always say- the parent is confused but both me and my husband noticed, the other parents do not seem to care much about it though


They probably won’t act based on your report alone, they will do an unannounced inspection and count ratios for themselves.


This. It happened at my old daycare and someone reported them (we think a former teacher). They didn’t get shut down or anything but it shows up in the inspection reports online and they were more careful after that. Inspections are so rare that some daycares know they can get away playing loose with the rules.
Anonymous
OP I know parents who have had their kids in daycares (center and in-homes) that violate ratios. These parents don't really have an issue with it. They say "everyone does it". They are happy with the care.

Our child is in a daycare center that typically has more than the minimum staff required. I assume to allow for sick and vacation days. I know my child does a lot better when she has more attention so I think this is important. I wouldn't consider this an issue of the children being in imminent danger necessarily, but unless I really really liked the provider I might look for other care.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ratios vary by locality and you did not share the location of your daycare. If you think they are violating licensing requirements, contact the DSS. This is a non-negotiable requirement and I don’t understand why you have t already said something.


It is DC, I have checked the requirements online. I am afraid to create trouble as I do not plan to leave that daycare. It is the cheapest in the area and it is not that bad otherwise.


DP. Frankly, this kind of thing is why they are the cheapest. If you report it, the daycare may very well have to drop some families unless/until they can hire more staff. I’m not saying it’s okay, but it’s reality. The squeaky wheel is likely to be dropped first, so if you report it I would have a back-up plan in mind.


How can they remove me? The main problem is the stuff, the extra kid does not happen often - a few times per 6 months, BUT pulling kids into one room because the stuff hours do not match the daycare hours is a problem. The daycare used to work till 6 pm before COVID, the licence say 6:30pm , when we join it was till 5:30 and parents had to fight to move it to 5:45 with some increase in tuition

Is it 5 times in two months, or just a few times over six months? Your description of the issue is not consistent.


I have been with this daycare for 6 months, the "new" "extra" child, out of state, started to drop in around 2 months ago. We had kids who were missing the daycare so the new kid increased the ratio only a few times when every regular child was present
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ratios vary by locality and you did not share the location of your daycare. If you think they are violating licensing requirements, contact the DSS. This is a non-negotiable requirement and I don’t understand why you have t already said something.


It is DC, I have checked the requirements online. I am afraid to create trouble as I do not plan to leave that daycare. It is the cheapest in the area and it is not that bad otherwise.

Failing to maintain proper ratios is bad.

Shall I try to properly document it with videos and pictures as they can always say- the parent is confused but both me and my husband noticed, the other parents do not seem to care much about it though


They probably won’t act based on your report alone, they will do an unannounced inspection and count ratios for themselves.


This. It happened at my old daycare and someone reported them (we think a former teacher). They didn’t get shut down or anything but it shows up in the inspection reports online and they were more careful after that. Inspections are so rare that some daycares know they can get away playing loose with the rules.


Thank you for sharing. I kinda thought along the same line ...t if the daycare is being that obvious with violating the ratio, they do not care much about reports ...
Anonymous
Never happened at our daycare in the 2 years I was there. Staff were not dismissed in the evening unless ratios were met. The Director or Asst. Dir. would constantly go room to room in the evening and headcount and then motion that Ms. x could leave.

The ratios and age separation exist for a reason.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Never happened at our daycare in the 2 years I was there. Staff were not dismissed in the evening unless ratios were met. The Director or Asst. Dir. would constantly go room to room in the evening and headcount and then motion that Ms. x could leave.

The ratios and age separation exist for a reason.


Good to know. I am also concern about extra exposure to viruses, with my child being placed in various rooms and interacting with more people he has higher chances to get sick It is not just new kids, but also new teachers in the last 30 minutes of the day when he is tired already
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ratios vary by locality and you did not share the location of your daycare. If you think they are violating licensing requirements, contact the DSS. This is a non-negotiable requirement and I don’t understand why you have t already said something.


It is DC, I have checked the requirements online. I am afraid to create trouble as I do not plan to leave that daycare. It is the cheapest in the area and it is not that bad otherwise.


You get what you pay for.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Never happened at our daycare in the 2 years I was there. Staff were not dismissed in the evening unless ratios were met. The Director or Asst. Dir. would constantly go room to room in the evening and headcount and then motion that Ms. x could leave.

The ratios and age separation exist for a reason.


Agree with this. Staff should not be dismissed for the day until enough children have gone home so they can stay in-ratio. Another qualified adult (like the Director or Assistant Director or a floater) may need to sub in to meet ratio. It is a licensing violation to go out of ratio.

It's probably worth either mentioning to the Director that you've noticed a couple of times when there aren't enough staff for the number of children you've observed in the classroom, and you were curious about how they manage that. It might be telling how the Director responds - are they defensive, or glad you brought it to your attention? Ratios are a really critical child safety issue, and you have every right to know the center is meeting their stated ratios at all times throughout the day.

I have been in your shoes and knowing I needed to stay at that center I didn't want to make a stink. Looking back, I should have felt more confident in stating what I had seen and asking how the center was going to ensure they stayed in ratio at all times.
Anonymous
12 - 24 months spans about three classrooms - infants, toddlers and twos. I believe toddlers and twos have a larger ratio than infants.

I would have a conversation with the Director. It may be that they can't find staff. Our CDC Director said people aren't interested and won't even apply for daycare work these days. Our school reduced hours, raised tuition and closed a classroom that is now used for rainy day space. Your school may be in a similar position and will need to reduce capacity which may mean turning some current families away if staffing is truly the issue.
Anonymous
So what if they are together in 1 room. Everybody has priorities. Just come early if you want to see your child in its own room.
Who cares if its in a different room for 40 minutes
Anonymous
If this is Blandi on Kennedy street... Run.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ratios vary by locality and you did not share the location of your daycare. If you think they are violating licensing requirements, contact the DSS. This is a non-negotiable requirement and I don’t understand why you have t already said something.


It is DC, I have checked the requirements online. I am afraid to create trouble as I do not plan to leave that daycare. It is the cheapest in the area and it is not that bad otherwise.


Then what’s the question?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ratios vary by locality and you did not share the location of your daycare. If you think they are violating licensing requirements, contact the DSS. This is a non-negotiable requirement and I don’t understand why you have t already said something.


It is DC, I have checked the requirements online. I am afraid to create trouble as I do not plan to leave that daycare. It is the cheapest in the area and it is not that bad otherwise.


DP. Frankly, this kind of thing is why they are the cheapest. If you report it, the daycare may very well have to drop some families unless/until they can hire more staff. I’m not saying it’s okay, but it’s reality. The squeaky wheel is likely to be dropped first, so if you report it I would have a back-up plan in mind.


How can they remove me? The main problem is the stuff, the extra kid does not happen often - a few times per 6 months, BUT pulling kids into one room because the stuff hours do not match the daycare hours is a problem. The daycare used to work till 6 pm before COVID, the licence say 6:30pm , when we join it was till 5:30 and parents had to fight to move it to 5:45 with some increase in tuition


What do you mean “how can they remove me?” You caused them trouble. They can tell you not to bring your kid back. You’re welcome to sue, of course, if you think it’s breach of your contract, but since you can only afford a cheap daycare, you can’t afford that. It won’t be on contingency.
Anonymous
Are you already picking up your son as soon as possible?
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