Is dual-enrollment a scam?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least the students will no longer have to pay tuition:

https://mocoshow.com/blog/mcps-students-dually-enrolled-at-montgomery-college-will-no-longer-be-charged-tuition/

OP here, yes, I'm aware. So MC is double-dipping and now benefiting from funds that were meant to go to K-12, to instead fund its higher ed operations. Hence, my "scam" comment.

I don't know where you are getting your conspiracy theories but no one I know in the DCC feels pushed into that program. Maybe it's one teacher or one counselor who believes in it? I know 2 children who are dual enrolled and one is bored in HS and wanted more challenge and another did it to save money. This child will go to MC after graduation. I think it's great they are offering it. Sorry it's not appealing to you but I see no basis for you claiming it's a "scam."

No one you know in the DCC feels pushed into the program but people I do felt pushed into it. So now what? Who's right and who's wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least the students will no longer have to pay tuition:

https://mocoshow.com/blog/mcps-students-dually-enrolled-at-montgomery-college-will-no-longer-be-charged-tuition/

OP here, yes, I'm aware. So MC is double-dipping and now benefiting from funds that were meant to go to K-12, to instead fund its higher ed operations. Hence, my "scam" comment.

I don't know where you are getting your conspiracy theories but no one I know in the DCC feels pushed into that program. Maybe it's one teacher or one counselor who believes in it? I know 2 children who are dual enrolled and one is bored in HS and wanted more challenge and another did it to save money. This child will go to MC after graduation. I think it's great they are offering it. Sorry it's not appealing to you but I see no basis for you claiming it's a "scam."

MCPS is redirecting funds from its own schools to fund this initiative. It's literally taking money from public schools to subsidize MC, which is having a serious enrollment dropoff like many community colleges, as the article posted highlighted.

At least try to engage with the premise before you dismiss it.

[Anonymous]

More about the enrollment dropoff at MC specifically: https://www.montgomerycollege.edu/_documents/news/wbj-enrollment-story.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids college will not give credit for a course that counted towards HS grad but it can be helpful for kids going to UMD. I learned it is considered an easier route then AP because there is no big exam.

+1 DE can be much easier than AP. Top-tier schools do not like seeing DE. This makes sense for lower income students going to local colleges who really need to save money by graduating in less than four years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids college will not give credit for a course that counted towards HS grad but it can be helpful for kids going to UMD. I learned it is considered an easier route then AP because there is no big exam.

+1 DE can be much easier than AP. Top-tier schools do not like seeing DE. This makes sense for lower income students going to local colleges who really need to save money by graduating in less than four years.

Wow! Well this is insightful. Definitely not something MCPS or MC discuss openly. I wonder why....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids college will not give credit for a course that counted towards HS grad but it can be helpful for kids going to UMD. I learned it is considered an easier route then AP because there is no big exam.

+1 DE can be much easier than AP. Top-tier schools do not like seeing DE. This makes sense for lower income students going to local colleges who really need to save money by graduating in less than four years.

Wow! Well this is insightful. Definitely not something MCPS or MC discuss openly. I wonder why....

Yeah. FCPS tries to push it too. Private counselors will clarify this, and public school counselors will if you know them well enough that they’ll talk off the record.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids college will not give credit for a course that counted towards HS grad but it can be helpful for kids going to UMD. I learned it is considered an easier route then AP because there is no big exam.

+1 DE can be much easier than AP. Top-tier schools do not like seeing DE. This makes sense for lower income students going to local colleges who really need to save money by graduating in less than four years.

Wow! Well this is insightful. Definitely not something MCPS or MC discuss openly. I wonder why....

Probably because most people don't care what "top tier" schools do or do not like?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least the students will no longer have to pay tuition:

https://mocoshow.com/blog/mcps-students-dually-enrolled-at-montgomery-college-will-no-longer-be-charged-tuition/

OP here, yes, I'm aware. So MC is double-dipping and now benefiting from funds that were meant to go to K-12, to instead fund its higher ed operations. Hence, my "scam" comment.

I don't know where you are getting your conspiracy theories but no one I know in the DCC feels pushed into that program. Maybe it's one teacher or one counselor who believes in it? I know 2 children who are dual enrolled and one is bored in HS and wanted more challenge and another did it to save money. This child will go to MC after graduation. I think it's great they are offering it. Sorry it's not appealing to you but I see no basis for you claiming it's a "scam."

MCPS is redirecting funds from its own schools to fund this initiative. It's literally taking money from public schools to subsidize MC, which is having a serious enrollment dropoff like many community colleges, as the article posted highlighted.

At least try to engage with the premise before you dismiss it.

Montgomery College is also a public school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids college will not give credit for a course that counted towards HS grad but it can be helpful for kids going to UMD. I learned it is considered an easier route then AP because there is no big exam.

+1 DE can be much easier than AP. Top-tier schools do not like seeing DE. This makes sense for lower income students going to local colleges who really need to save money by graduating in less than four years.

Wow! Well this is insightful. Definitely not something MCPS or MC discuss openly. I wonder why....

Probably because most people don't care what "top tier" schools do or do not like?

?? Is that for the counselors to determine? What parents would care about? Honesty regarding how schools treat a type of course would be better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids college will not give credit for a course that counted towards HS grad but it can be helpful for kids going to UMD. I learned it is considered an easier route then AP because there is no big exam.

+1 DE can be much easier than AP. Top-tier schools do not like seeing DE. This makes sense for lower income students going to local colleges who really need to save money by graduating in less than four years.

At the start of my son's high school years, we thought about it and came to all the same conclusions. The way dual enrollment was advertised always seemed fishy to me, and now posters have explained about declining community college enrollment and funds diversion, it all makes better sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids college will not give credit for a course that counted towards HS grad but it can be helpful for kids going to UMD. I learned it is considered an easier route then AP because there is no big exam.

+1 DE can be much easier than AP. Top-tier schools do not like seeing DE. This makes sense for lower income students going to local colleges who really need to save money by graduating in less than four years.

The bolded is what I think is the true purpose of DE. Yes, I'm sure some students take because they are bored with their high school classes, blah blah blah but I can only think of one higher income student who is taking it. Most kids I am aware of seem to take it so they can save money on their college educations. Not a bad deal for those students. I can't blame them for taking that path.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids college will not give credit for a course that counted towards HS grad but it can be helpful for kids going to UMD. I learned it is considered an easier route then AP because there is no big exam.

+1 DE can be much easier than AP. Top-tier schools do not like seeing DE. This makes sense for lower income students going to local colleges who really need to save money by graduating in less than four years.

Wow! Well this is insightful. Definitely not something MCPS or MC discuss openly. I wonder why....

Probably because most people don't care what "top tier" schools do or do not like?

Then I don't know anybody of the group you call "most people"! They all care very much, not in the sense they expect their kids to go to Ivies, but because second tier schools always try to imitate the top tier, and that's what most families we know are aiming for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids college will not give credit for a course that counted towards HS grad but it can be helpful for kids going to UMD. I learned it is considered an easier route then AP because there is no big exam.

+1 DE can be much easier than AP. Top-tier schools do not like seeing DE. This makes sense for lower income students going to local colleges who really need to save money by graduating in less than four years.

The bolded is what I think is the true purpose of DE. Yes, I'm sure some students take because they are bored with their high school classes, blah blah blah but I can only think of one higher income student who is taking it. Most kids I am aware of seem to take it so they can save money on their college educations. Not a bad deal for those students. I can't blame them for taking that path.

Hit send too soon.

We can pay for college for our kids. We would rather our kids have the traditional high school experience then the traditional 4 year college experience. There is so much to gain from those experiences. Unfortunately right now in our society, it is becoming that only kids with money can have that experience. Others need to enter the adult world a little bit earlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least the students will no longer have to pay tuition:

https://mocoshow.com/blog/mcps-students-dually-enrolled-at-montgomery-college-will-no-longer-be-charged-tuition/

OP here, yes, I'm aware. So MC is double-dipping and now benefiting from funds that were meant to go to K-12, to instead fund its higher ed operations. Hence, my "scam" comment.

I don't know where you are getting your conspiracy theories but no one I know in the DCC feels pushed into that program. Maybe it's one teacher or one counselor who believes in it? I know 2 children who are dual enrolled and one is bored in HS and wanted more challenge and another did it to save money. This child will go to MC after graduation. I think it's great they are offering it. Sorry it's not appealing to you but I see no basis for you claiming it's a "scam."

MCPS is redirecting funds from its own schools to fund this initiative. It's literally taking money from public schools to subsidize MC, which is having a serious enrollment dropoff like many community colleges, as the article posted highlighted.

At least try to engage with the premise before you dismiss it.

Montgomery College is also a public school.

MC is a public Higher Education school. Surely you know that K-12 and Higher Ed institutions have distinct budgets and funding sources, even if both are public.

I was very clear that my concern was K-12 dollars being used to subsidize higher ed losses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids college will not give credit for a course that counted towards HS grad but it can be helpful for kids going to UMD. I learned it is considered an easier route then AP because there is no big exam.

+1 DE can be much easier than AP. Top-tier schools do not like seeing DE. This makes sense for lower income students going to local colleges who really need to save money by graduating in less than four years.

The bolded is what I think is the true purpose of DE. Yes, I'm sure some students take because they are bored with their high school classes, blah blah blah but I can only think of one higher income student who is taking it. Most kids I am aware of seem to take it so they can save money on their college educations. Not a bad deal for those students. I can't blame them for taking that path.

At issue is the fact that DE is sold indiscriminately to all as a benefit, when it only benefits of subset of the population; and that funds that could bolster public K-12 after the pandemic are going to support declining community colleges, which fact is also not advertised...