PVS October Open and Time Standards

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also. open meets have no time standards are typically the slower swimmers.

The top kids in the area showed up for this Open, at least in the 9/10 girls.

Yes, we were at Claude Moore and the top 15 or so girls in every event were JO level swimmers. Claude Moore had a much deeper pool of JO level 9-10 girls than the other 2 sites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also. open meets have no time standards are typically the slower swimmers.

The top kids in the area showed up for this Open, at least in the 9/10 girls.

Yes, we were at Claude Moore and the top 15 or so girls in every event were JO level swimmers. Claude Moore had a much deeper pool of JO level 9-10 girls than the other 2 sites.

Yes this is true. Weird. The top 15 is so at Claude Moore were getting jo cuts whereas the other sites were just top 2 or 3. Although I suspect a chunk of those kids will turn 11 before March so not really getting a jo cut.

[Anonymous]

This is a big country. Maybe the fastest 9-10 boys right now are in Texas, New Jersey, Florida, California, or anywhere besides DC.

I also agree that a 9-10 year old is not getting his fastest times of the season at an October meet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also. open meets have no time standards are typically the slower swimmers.

The top kids in the area showed up for this Open, at least in the 9/10 girls.

Yes, we were at Claude Moore and the top 15 or so girls in every event were JO level swimmers. Claude Moore had a much deeper pool of JO level 9-10 girls than the other 2 sites.

Yes this is true. Weird. The top 15 is so at Claude Moore were getting jo cuts whereas the other sites were just top 2 or 3. Although I suspect a chunk of those kids will turn 11 before March so not really getting a jo cut.

It was weird, the number 15 finishers at Claude Moore generally would have been between 5-10 at either of the other 2 sites. Roughly half the girls who were finishing in the top 15 at CM will still be 10 in March. The teams that fed to CM were pretty strong though, ASA has some really good swimmers, and NCAP West, NCAP Dulles and NCAP CM are low key some of the strongest and deepest NCAP sites.

[Anonymous]

Another factor about Opens is a lot of kids swim “off” events meaning ones they won’t choose to swim at JOs or higher level meets. My daughter generally mixes it up with a few faves and a few she doesn’t swim that much.

Championship meets (with prelims and finals), kids often swim best events only.

[Anonymous]

Anecdotal but PVS does not seem to have a very strong 9-10 group. We were at LC Zones and Virginia team was heads and shoulders above PVS with many AAAA times (especially the boys).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also. open meets have no time standards are typically the slower swimmers.

The top kids in the area showed up for this Open, at least in the 9/10 girls.

I don't think that this statement is true.

[Anonymous]

I don't think that PVS is as strong as a league as Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think that PVS is as strong as a league as Virginia.

I have kids who have swum in both LSCs (PVS and Virginia). This is a true statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think that PVS is as strong as a league as Virginia.

I have kids who have swum in both LSCs (PVS and Virginia). This is a true statement.

I agree with you both on this statement. But what I wonder is why. For what reason?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New swim mom of a 9 year old boy here. I was looking over the times for the PVS October Open and it made me curious about the USA Swimming time standards. From just eyeballing it, the top boy in each event across all three sites usually has an AA time with just a few AAA times. There are usually just a couple AA/AAA times in each event. I'm not seeing any AAAA times over the three sites in any boys 9-10 event. I thought AAAA meant top 2%, AAA top 6% and AA top 8%. Most of the events have 150 to 200 swimmers over the three sites. It seems like most events should have at least one AAAA time, and every event should have a handful of AAA times. Are the best area swimmers not competing in these opens? Or is this just because this is early in the season? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding?

The 9-10 boy who won the 100 BK at the Alexandria site had a AAAA time that appears to be the fastest in the country for his age group so far this season. He also crushed the field, of pretty decent swimmers, in the 200 BK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think that PVS is as strong as a league as Virginia.

I have kids who have swum in both LSCs (PVS and Virginia). This is a true statement.

I agree with you both on this statement. But what I wonder is why. For what reason?

I also agree with this statement and I think it comes down to pool space/access. A lot of Virginia teams own their own water and and have much greater flexibility, and therefore are able to offer more/better practice times, smaller groups, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New swim mom of a 9 year old boy here. I was looking over the times for the PVS October Open and it made me curious about the USA Swimming time standards. From just eyeballing it, the top boy in each event across all three sites usually has an AA time with just a few AAA times. There are usually just a couple AA/AAA times in each event. I'm not seeing any AAAA times over the three sites in any boys 9-10 event. I thought AAAA meant top 2%, AAA top 6% and AA top 8%. Most of the events have 150 to 200 swimmers over the three sites. It seems like most events should have at least one AAAA time, and every event should have a handful of AAA times. Are the best area swimmers not competing in these opens? Or is this just because this is early in the season? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding?

The 9-10 boy who won the 100 BK at the Alexandria site had a AAAA time that appears to be the fastest in the country for his age group so far this season. He also crushed the field, of pretty decent swimmers, in the 200 BK.

Newer swim parent here -- how do you pull all the times for the country YTD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New swim mom of a 9 year old boy here. I was looking over the times for the PVS October Open and it made me curious about the USA Swimming time standards. From just eyeballing it, the top boy in each event across all three sites usually has an AA time with just a few AAA times. There are usually just a couple AA/AAA times in each event. I'm not seeing any AAAA times over the three sites in any boys 9-10 event. I thought AAAA meant top 2%, AAA top 6% and AA top 8%. Most of the events have 150 to 200 swimmers over the three sites. It seems like most events should have at least one AAAA time, and every event should have a handful of AAA times. Are the best area swimmers not competing in these opens? Or is this just because this is early in the season? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding?

The 9-10 boy who won the 100 BK at the Alexandria site had a AAAA time that appears to be the fastest in the country for his age group so far this season. He also crushed the field, of pretty decent swimmers, in the 200 BK.

I went to USAswimming and when I pull up the month for AAAA time standards there is no such person. USAswimming has been wonky buy it pulled the 12 swimmers in the database with AAAA cuts.

Now, there are two NOVA Aquatic boys that had AAA standard for backstroke, a 9 and a 10 year old. Pretty impressive for that club. But they are like 26th ranked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New swim mom of a 9 year old boy here. I was looking over the times for the PVS October Open and it made me curious about the USA Swimming time standards. From just eyeballing it, the top boy in each event across all three sites usually has an AA time with just a few AAA times. There are usually just a couple AA/AAA times in each event. I'm not seeing any AAAA times over the three sites in any boys 9-10 event. I thought AAAA meant top 2%, AAA top 6% and AA top 8%. Most of the events have 150 to 200 swimmers over the three sites. It seems like most events should have at least one AAAA time, and every event should have a handful of AAA times. Are the best area swimmers not competing in these opens? Or is this just because this is early in the season? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding?

The 9-10 boy who won the 100 BK at the Alexandria site had a AAAA time that appears to be the fastest in the country for his age group so far this season. He also crushed the field, of pretty decent swimmers, in the 200 BK.

I went to USAswimming and when I pull up the month for AAAA time standards there is no such person. USAswimming has been wonky buy it pulled the 12 swimmers in the database with AAAA cuts.

Now, there are two NOVA Aquatic boys that had AAA standard for backstroke, a 9 and a 10 year old. Pretty impressive for that club. But they are like 26th ranked.

DP, that kid definitely had a AAAA time. I don’t think USA swimming has uploaded the times from this weekend yet.