Comfort level around unvaxxed family

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP. Thanks for the two replies above, but does this mean you would just never see your parents again? I can’t fly out there and just see them for 15 mins outside. Plus if something did happen to them and I never saw them again since before COVID I would have major regrets.

Uh yeah you can restrict visits to outside only. Why “can’t “ you?

Family does not mean much to some of the PPs.

OP, Dr. Fauci himself has stated that once someone has omicron, they will most likely be protected by their natural immunity against BOTH omicron and delta for 3 months.

Can you wait until your family has gotten omicron and then restart your normal family visits again?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-21/omicron-reinfections-unlikely-over-several-months-fauci-says

On the contrary, it means so much we are willing to forego visits with unvaccinated relatives to preserve everyone's families.

We are doctors and scientists, and see first hand the unconscionable consequences that vaccination refusal puts on our healthcare systems, the valuable, courageous people that save lives every day, as well as the innocent patients who are seriously ill with other diseases or injuries and who cannot receive adequate and timely care.

We CANNOT socialize with the unvaccinated as if nothing had happened. It's a question of ethics, morals, conscience... call it what you want, but the unvaccinated are collectively responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people.

No.

So you value your politics more than family. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is OP. Thanks for the two replies above, but does this mean you would just never see your parents again? I can’t fly out there and just see them for 15 mins outside. Plus if something did happen to them and I never saw them again since before COVID I would have major regrets.

Uh yeah you can restrict visits to outside only. Why “can’t “ you?

Family does not mean much to some of the PPs.

OP, Dr. Fauci himself has stated that once someone has omicron, they will most likely be protected by their natural immunity against BOTH omicron and delta for 3 months.

Can you wait until your family has gotten omicron and then restart your normal family visits again?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-21/omicron-reinfections-unlikely-over-several-months-fauci-says

On the contrary, it means so much we are willing to forego visits with unvaccinated relatives to preserve everyone's families.

We are doctors and scientists, and see first hand the unconscionable consequences that vaccination refusal puts on our healthcare systems, the valuable, courageous people that save lives every day, as well as the innocent patients who are seriously ill with other diseases or injuries and who cannot receive adequate and timely care.

We CANNOT socialize with the unvaccinated as if nothing had happened. It's a question of ethics, morals, conscience... call it what you want, but the unvaccinated are collectively responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people.

No.

Me again. And to put this in context, we believe there will be at least one more dangerous variant like Delta and Omicron that will sweep the world. So this isn't about punishment for past irresponsible behavior. It's action to prevent more deaths in the future, by making clear that vaccine refusal is profoundly reprehensible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is OP. Thanks for the two replies above, but does this mean you would just never see your parents again? I can’t fly out there and just see them for 15 mins outside. Plus if something did happen to them and I never saw them again since before COVID I would have major regrets.

Uh yeah you can restrict visits to outside only. Why “can’t “ you?

Family does not mean much to some of the PPs.

OP, Dr. Fauci himself has stated that once someone has omicron, they will most likely be protected by their natural immunity against BOTH omicron and delta for 3 months.

Can you wait until your family has gotten omicron and then restart your normal family visits again?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-21/omicron-reinfections-unlikely-over-several-months-fauci-says

On the contrary, it means so much we are willing to forego visits with unvaccinated relatives to preserve everyone's families.

We are doctors and scientists, and see first hand the unconscionable consequences that vaccination refusal puts on our healthcare systems, the valuable, courageous people that save lives every day, as well as the innocent patients who are seriously ill with other diseases or injuries and who cannot receive adequate and timely care.

We CANNOT socialize with the unvaccinated as if nothing had happened. It's a question of ethics, morals, conscience... call it what you want, but the unvaccinated are collectively responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people.

No.

So you value your politics more than family. Got it.

You mentioned politics in a pandemic thread, when it's all about saving lives. You're the one who doesn't get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is OP. Thanks for the two replies above, but does this mean you would just never see your parents again? I can’t fly out there and just see them for 15 mins outside. Plus if something did happen to them and I never saw them again since before COVID I would have major regrets.

Uh yeah you can restrict visits to outside only. Why “can’t “ you?

Family does not mean much to some of the PPs.

OP, Dr. Fauci himself has stated that once someone has omicron, they will most likely be protected by their natural immunity against BOTH omicron and delta for 3 months.

Can you wait until your family has gotten omicron and then restart your normal family visits again?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-21/omicron-reinfections-unlikely-over-several-months-fauci-says

On the contrary, it means so much we are willing to forego visits with unvaccinated relatives to preserve everyone's families.

We are doctors and scientists, and see first hand the unconscionable consequences that vaccination refusal puts on our healthcare systems, the valuable, courageous people that save lives every day, as well as the innocent patients who are seriously ill with other diseases or injuries and who cannot receive adequate and timely care.

We CANNOT socialize with the unvaccinated as if nothing had happened. It's a question of ethics, morals, conscience... call it what you want, but the unvaccinated are collectively responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people.

No.

Me again. And to put this in context, we believe there will be at least one more dangerous variant like Delta and Omicron that will sweep the world. So this isn't about punishment for past irresponsible behavior. It's action to prevent more deaths in the future, by making clear that vaccine refusal is profoundly reprehensible.

No, you just made it very clear that it's about ethics and morals. Not actual science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is OP. Thanks for the two replies above, but does this mean you would just never see your parents again? I can’t fly out there and just see them for 15 mins outside. Plus if something did happen to them and I never saw them again since before COVID I would have major regrets.

Uh yeah you can restrict visits to outside only. Why “can’t “ you?

Family does not mean much to some of the PPs.

OP, Dr. Fauci himself has stated that once someone has omicron, they will most likely be protected by their natural immunity against BOTH omicron and delta for 3 months.

Can you wait until your family has gotten omicron and then restart your normal family visits again?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-21/omicron-reinfections-unlikely-over-several-months-fauci-says

On the contrary, it means so much we are willing to forego visits with unvaccinated relatives to preserve everyone's families.

We are doctors and scientists, and see first hand the unconscionable consequences that vaccination refusal puts on our healthcare systems, the valuable, courageous people that save lives every day, as well as the innocent patients who are seriously ill with other diseases or injuries and who cannot receive adequate and timely care.

We CANNOT socialize with the unvaccinated as if nothing had happened. It's a question of ethics, morals, conscience... call it what you want, but the unvaccinated are collectively responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people.

No.

O god PP, you’re just as bad as the anti vaxx trumpers on the other side. It’s fine that you apparently live in a utopian black and white world, but the rest of us do not. It’s not reasonable to recommend people put politics before family and everyone needs to make calculated decisions for themselves. If you and your family is fully vaccinated I’d say go live your life and if you get covid, you’ll recover just like you would with any other illness. Unless you are one or are a caretaker for a severely immunocompromised person, please go live your life and continue encouraging your friends and family to get vaccinated! For their health.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
My policy has always been clear - we will not socialize with any unvaccinated people, given that this population has put our country through so much. My husband has no close relatives that are unvaccinated. Sadly, I have two aunts and three cousins who are unvaccinated, one of whom just died. We will not see anyone who is unvaccinated, period.

If I was your family member, I’d lie and say I wasn’t vaccinated so I wouldn’t have to deal with your judginess. I doubt your family missed you.

[Anonymous]

Unvaxxed people are likely doing other risky behaviors as well, like socializing unmasked with other unvaxxed people and not washing hands frequently. So unless you accept the same level of risk, NO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is OP. Thanks for the two replies above, but does this mean you would just never see your parents again? I can’t fly out there and just see them for 15 mins outside. Plus if something did happen to them and I never saw them again since before COVID I would have major regrets.

Uh yeah you can restrict visits to outside only. Why “can’t “ you?

Family does not mean much to some of the PPs.

OP, Dr. Fauci himself has stated that once someone has omicron, they will most likely be protected by their natural immunity against BOTH omicron and delta for 3 months.

Can you wait until your family has gotten omicron and then restart your normal family visits again?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-21/omicron-reinfections-unlikely-over-several-months-fauci-says

On the contrary, it means so much we are willing to forego visits with unvaccinated relatives to preserve everyone's families.

We are doctors and scientists, and see first hand the unconscionable consequences that vaccination refusal puts on our healthcare systems, the valuable, courageous people that save lives every day, as well as the innocent patients who are seriously ill with other diseases or injuries and who cannot receive adequate and timely care.

We CANNOT socialize with the unvaccinated as if nothing had happened. It's a question of ethics, morals, conscience... call it what you want, but the unvaccinated are collectively responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people.

No.

Me again. And to put this in context, we believe there will be at least one more dangerous variant like Delta and Omicron that will sweep the world. So this isn't about punishment for past irresponsible behavior. It's action to prevent more deaths in the future, by making clear that vaccine refusal is profoundly reprehensible.

No, you just made it very clear that it's about ethics and morals. Not actual science.

It’s about self-righteousness and being able to scold people who disagree with you. If we were living a few centuries ago, some of these posters would be demanding that adulterers wear a scarlet letter.

[Jkirsh64]

I would limit visits to outside and inside if masked. You already said you would do outdoor dining so that is more than just a 15 minute visit. If they want to go to the zoo or other activity (assuming outdoors) meet them there with your kids and then let them hang out just with the kids while you go off on your own. I would say no to the sleepover and tell them why. Your kids may be disappointed but they will be ok.

[Anonymous]

Good question OP. I have a parent, step parent, and half sibling that aren’t vaxxed and have the same dilemma. They don’t mask anywhere it isn’t mandated (which in their state is only medical facilities) either.

[Anonymous]

I think I've been pretty middle of the road throughout this pandemic (by DC standards anyway).

Right now, Omicron is still raging, and it doesn't seem to matter very much if you're vaxxed on or not in terms of contracting it. So if your goal is to reduce the likelihood of contracting covid, I think you're taking similar risk staying with your dad indoors as with your mom (unless she's already had Omicron).

To me, the question I would be asking is: "Am I willing to have Covid on my vacation?" Because if you fly during this Omircon peak you will almost certainly get it, and being sick away from home can suck. Just something to keep in mind.

If your goal is to protect your unvaxxed family from harm, then you are likely more of a risk, coming from this area, on an airplane etc.

[Anonymous]

#1 ONLY. Don't wear masks because I don't think you have to if you're outdoors but you are ridiculous, ridiculous to state that their view should matter at all.

[Anonymous]

I would only do things that would be completely outdoors. For me, that would mean no trip to the zoo, because I know kids love the reptile house. I wouldn't require masks outdoors all the time, but I also wouldn't allow hugs and kisses with them breathing on a 4yo who can't be vaccinated unless they were masked. Go run around and kick the soccer ball, but keep arms distance between until the child's mask is back on. For the sake of family peace (ie. both kids, NOT the adults), both kids and I would abide by the same parameters with these relatives.

[Anonymous]

No, not seeing unvaccinated relatives. Also not seeing vaccinated relatives who aren't taking any precautions.

Maybe after this surge, we will go.back to seeing them, but will have no regrets about accidentally giving them Covid if they decide to stay unvaccinated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
My policy has always been clear - we will not socialize with any unvaccinated people, given that this population has put our country through so much. My husband has no close relatives that are unvaccinated. Sadly, I have two aunts and three cousins who are unvaccinated, one of whom just died. We will not see anyone who is unvaccinated, period.

+1. I do not see my unvaccinated sister and her husband. She’s never even met my baby (now 16 months old). It’s sad but she made her choices.