What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

As of today, all California National Forests have been temporarily closed due to fire danger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As of today, all California National Forests have been temporarily closed due to fire danger.

Yes. This national forest was closed on Sunday due to hazards. All national forests are closed as of today due to fires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is saying that it should be obvious that they died of heat stroke if that was the case, you're forgetting that their bodies baked in the relentless heat for 24 hours before they were found. The decomposition process is accelerated in high temperatures. I think people are picturing a far different picture than what the medical examiner is dealing with.

This website describes what happens to the body in extremely hot and dry temperatures. I imagine this is what searchers discovered and why it may be hard to determine a cause of death.

While heat speeds up the process of decomposition, it only does so up to a point. In extremely hot and dry temperatures, instead of decomposing, the body is mummified. With moisture from the body absorbed into the dry air, the skin grows tough and hard to break through. Fly larvae, too, die off at temperatures between 104F° and 122F°, thus slowing down the breaking down of the body tissues and fluids.

https://bioteamaz.com/2019/09/24/phoenix-heat-speeds-up-the-decomposition-process/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is saying that it should be obvious that they died of heat stroke if that was the case, you're forgetting that their bodies baked in the relentless heat for 24 hours before they were found. The decomposition process is accelerated in high temperatures. I think people are picturing a far different picture than what the medical examiner is dealing with.

This website describes what happens to the body in extremely hot and dry temperatures. I imagine this is what searchers discovered and why it may be hard to determine a cause of death.

While heat speeds up the process of decomposition, it only does so up to a point. In extremely hot and dry temperatures, instead of decomposing, the body is mummified. With moisture from the body absorbed into the dry air, the skin grows tough and hard to break through. Fly larvae, too, die off at temperatures between 104F° and 122F°, thus slowing down the breaking down of the body tissues and fluids.

https://bioteamaz.com/2019/09/24/phoenix-heat-speeds-up-the-decomposition-process/

Yeah I was going to say “but it’s a dry heat” but this post covered it way better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is saying that it should be obvious that they died of heat stroke if that was the case, you're forgetting that their bodies baked in the relentless heat for 24 hours before they were found. The decomposition process is accelerated in high temperatures. I think people are picturing a far different picture than what the medical examiner is dealing with.

Ugh that is awful to think about. That poor family. It must have been horrifying to be the responders/investigators on the scene.

[Anonymous]

Yeah that link is gonna stay blue for me.

[Anonymous]

Little water, lots of heat, inexperienced hikers in a threatening wilderness, a helpless infant. Hey, bring the dog along too, so we can be distracted from the welfare of our child. These were bone-stupid parents. I blame them fully for killing themselves and their kid out out of carelessness. The braying person seeking to absolve them of their idiotic final acts by finding some strained explanation is pointless. Yes, they were “nice enough”, but they lacked fundamental judgement here. They killed their child with reckless negligence. Let this be a lesson for all of us to think carefully before we do something like this. These are our kids, whose well being should not be risked so we can have a nice adventure story to tell people. This is very tough, but needs to be said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And to add 97 degrees is pretty normal summer weather in the foothills, not something that would cause a change in plans. Without humidity 97 degrees is not oppressive heat.

OMG. It is oppressive heat when you have a carrier, a child, and a dog that is not good in that type of heat. And no shade. And not enough water. It is not safe. You people who say 97° is not hot are f****** nuts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And to add 97 degrees is pretty normal summer weather in the foothills, not something that would cause a change in plans. Without humidity 97 degrees is not oppressive heat.

OMG. It is oppressive heat when you have a carrier, a child, and a dog that is not good in that type of heat. And no shade. And not enough water. It is not safe. You people who say 97° is not hot are f****** nuts

DP. You don't live there. So how do you know?

Nice name-calling. On a thread about a family who died under mysterious circumstances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Little water, lots of heat, inexperienced hikers in a threatening wilderness, a helpless infant. Hey, bring the dog along too, so we can be distracted from the welfare of our child. These were bone-stupid parents. I blame them fully for killing themselves and their kid out out of carelessness. The braying person seeking to absolve them of their idiotic final acts by finding some strained explanation is pointless. Yes, they were “nice enough”, but they lacked fundamental judgement here. They killed their child with reckless negligence. Let this be a lesson for all of us to think carefully before we do something like this. These are our kids, whose well being should not be risked so we can have a nice adventure story to tell people. This is very tough, but needs to be said.

I wish I was as smart and worldly as you.

[Anonymous]

Hear stroke is a diagnosis of exclusion. It’s not a stabbing where it’s obvious what’s happened. There’s no giant arrow showing these people and dog died of heat stroke. The ME needs the toxicology reports to come in then he/she will have a full picture of what happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is saying that it should be obvious that they died of heat stroke if that was the case, you're forgetting that their bodies baked in the relentless heat for 24 hours before they were found. The decomposition process is accelerated in high temperatures. I think people are picturing a far different picture than what the medical examiner is dealing with.

Ugh that is awful to think about. That poor family. It must have been horrifying to be the responders/investigators on the scene.

Well it’s even worse for the two two deputies who had to stay overnight at the site to keep the site from being tampered with. Do you shine your flashlights on the bodies? Do you pretend the dead aren’t there? So weird at least to me, but I’m not cop and maybe they’re used to seeing all kinds of situations so this doesn’t faze them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is saying that it should be obvious that they died of heat stroke if that was the case, you're forgetting that their bodies baked in the relentless heat for 24 hours before they were found. The decomposition process is accelerated in high temperatures. I think people are picturing a far different picture than what the medical examiner is dealing with.

Ugh that is awful to think about. That poor family. It must have been horrifying to be the responders/investigators on the scene.

Well it’s even worse for the two two deputies who had to stay overnight at the site to keep the site from being tampered with. Do you shine your flashlights on the bodies? Do you pretend the dead aren’t there? So weird at least to me, but I’m not cop and maybe they’re used to seeing all kinds of situations so this doesn’t faze them.

The police left the bodies there overnight?

Or they were just protecting the site after the bodies were removed?

They are cops. I’m sure it wasn’t fun but it’s part of the job description.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Little water, lots of heat, inexperienced hikers in a threatening wilderness, a helpless infant. Hey, bring the dog along too, so we can be distracted from the welfare of our child. These were bone-stupid parents. I blame them fully for killing themselves and their kid out out of carelessness. The braying person seeking to absolve them of their idiotic final acts by finding some strained explanation is pointless. Yes, they were “nice enough”, but they lacked fundamental judgement here. They killed their child with reckless negligence. Let this be a lesson for all of us to think carefully before we do something like this. These are our kids, whose well being should not be risked so we can have a nice adventure story to tell people. This is very tough, but needs to be said.

You have no idea what happened. Stop sh1tting on these parents with baseless accusations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And to add 97 degrees is pretty normal summer weather in the foothills, not something that would cause a change in plans. Without humidity 97 degrees is not oppressive heat.

OMG. It is oppressive heat when you have a carrier, a child, and a dog that is not good in that type of heat. And no shade. And not enough water. It is not safe. You people who say 97° is not hot are f****** nuts

DP. You don't live there. So how do you know?

Nice name-calling. On a thread about a family who died under mysterious circumstances.

DP. Well, the heat might have killed three people and a dog. So that’s one piece of evidence that it might be risky.