King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?

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Anonymous wrote:The same nextdoor posters complaining (over and over again, and again and again!) about the boundary changes a few months ago, seem to be same ones up in arms about “transparency issues” with the purchase of KAA. They also appear to live in a “North Herndon” neighborhood, currently zoned for Langley. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.

I hope the purchase of KAA goes smoothly, and FCPS can successfully revamp it in time to serve the families in that area. Westfield is so far from Mcnair and Coates. How can Westfield build a thriving community when their students live so far away?

I don't live anywhere near "North Herndon," yet I also have questions about the transparency and funding of this school - even while I think it's a great purchase and will relieve the crowding issues many have spoken of. As FCPS residents, are we allowed to have questions about the process, or are we just supposed to shut up and keep our mouths closed?

One thing is for certain - if this school had been purchased in any other area (such as an area where it wouldn't benefit you), you'd be questioning the process too.

i agree. i work in a school and my kids atttend a different school. several jobs in both schools were cut due to funding. others were notified their pay is going down to make budget. how are we buying and funding a new school when there isn’t money for the current schools?

There is a difference between capital budgets and operating budgets. They are completely separate funds.

Haha. Like clockwork, the entitled pretend that money isn’t fungible.

Just admit that you feel you deserve the neighborhood school even if it means teacher job cuts and lower raises.

It’s better for you to just be honest about how you feel.

The area needs the school. That has been true for 20 years, and given the distance between all the current schools, current overcrowding, and new housing development, it will likely be true for decades in the future. And this was an opportunity that wasn’t likely to come around again anytime soon. The budget is tight now, no question, but I don’t foresee that being the case for long. Buying the school in my mind therefore admittedly creates short-term problems that will be painful (and as someone who works at a school, I really feel for the teachers and everyone else affected), but it also solves a long-term problem that has been painful and would continue to be painful for a long time and can only really be solved in this one way. I think it’s worth the trade off.

I also think the points above are why it’s unlikely this is going to be a magnet school. I think given the budget shortfall, people would be rightly furious if FCPS throws money at a magnet school that isn’t necessary and no one was asking for. Whereas putting money into a neighborhood school is painful when we don’t have a lot of it right now, but it’s understandable and solves a lot of the problems that FCPS has flagged as needing to be addressed.

I noticed you say nothing about the hundreds of seats sitting empty at Herndon. People have a high tolerance for waste when they stand to benefit, but once you get your new school will you be demanding they pinch pennies elsewhere?

Could you game out for me how Herndon is a long-term solution for all of the mess that is Western Fairfax? I could see it being a short-term, partial fix, but how would it fix things like split feeders or ensure that boundaries aren’t continually shifted every few years?

DP. The PP is just the same poster who is *dying* for a certain community to move into Herndon because she hates that particular community. It actually has nothing at all to do with the KAA school and the communities that will be going there.

So we spend tens of millions to expand HHS and then leave hundreds of seats empty there indefinitely?

Maybe those extra seats could be used for an academy or magnet program of some sort?

What kind? Isn’t this the sort of thing we ought to expect FCPS to figure out before it commits to big expansions or purchases?

You mean like their boundary study? The purchase is good. The rollout could certainly have been better. Nevertheless, you want process on the one hand, they plan to use process on figuring this out. They have said that in the articles.

DP. If we had extra funds burning a hole in our pocket, maybe we could act with reckless abandon. But this whole thing feels like it was orchestrated while the sb was drunk at a New Orleans strip club.

Come to think of it, maybe they are buying it with McDaniel’s company credit card?

I'd hardly call it "reckless abandon." It was a bargain and an opportunity that could not have been predicted. And, there is construction going on in that area that would indicate that there was competition for the site. It would be a travesty to pass this up. The excuse for not doing this earlier is that they could not find a site.

In fact you could say, this is just taking its rightful place in the queue.

DP. You could say that, but it would be a stretch, unless you're prepared to say that any project that jumps the queue is just taking its rightful place.

It's a matter of need. It's been planned longer than many things in the queue. They just couldn't find a site. Now, they found one at a bargain price. Would you really think they should have ignored it?

If you needed a bigger house and one came up that was a real, honest bargain, but would not be available for long, would you not take the money you budgeted for something that could wait? Considering that you really need that house now?

DP. To extend your analogy, would I buy a multimillion dollar house when I was barely scraping by and half a million dollars in debt by using someone else’s money and not telling them what the house will be used for or even giving them a choice in the matter?

No I probably would not. Even if it was a good deal, but at the very least, they owe us an explanation of why it’s needed. They should be able to convince us, but the silence makes me think it is not well thought out. And I’m not convinced that we really need this house now as you assert.

And, you would leave your kids scattered among other family members instead? Got it.

no i would keep them in my smaller more crowded house until i had a plan and funds to move.

no one wanted to move, split schools, communities etc until a new shiny school was presented. now everyone is trampling over neighbors to get a spot

1. No one wanted to move because the options were not closer. But, much of this community was being slated to move.
2. No one wanted to split schools--but, guess what? They were being split and are split. Additional splits were put on the table. This makes it possible to have stability and split fewer schools. In fact, if done properly, none of the elementary schools will be split. The middle school situation may still be difficult, but it is likely to be split less than currently.
3. The communities were split. That is what you do not understand. This new option will keep communities together and join adjacent communities.
4. There is only one person(group?) competing on this to be considered. For them, it is unlikely they will be moved because they are currently close to their high school and that high school's enrollment is not a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:The same nextdoor posters complaining (over and over again, and again and again!) about the boundary changes a few months ago, seem to be same ones up in arms about “transparency issues” with the purchase of KAA. They also appear to live in a “North Herndon” neighborhood, currently zoned for Langley. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.

I hope the purchase of KAA goes smoothly, and FCPS can successfully revamp it in time to serve the families in that area. Westfield is so far from Mcnair and Coates. How can Westfield build a thriving community when their students live so far away?

I don't live anywhere near "North Herndon," yet I also have questions about the transparency and funding of this school - even while I think it's a great purchase and will relieve the crowding issues many have spoken of. As FCPS residents, are we allowed to have questions about the process, or are we just supposed to shut up and keep our mouths closed?

One thing is for certain - if this school had been purchased in any other area (such as an area where it wouldn't benefit you), you'd be questioning the process too.

i agree. i work in a school and my kids atttend a different school. several jobs in both schools were cut due to funding. others were notified their pay is going down to make budget. how are we buying and funding a new school when there isn’t money for the current schools?

There is a difference between capital budgets and operating budgets. They are completely separate funds.

Haha. Like clockwork, the entitled pretend that money isn’t fungible.

Just admit that you feel you deserve the neighborhood school even if it means teacher job cuts and lower raises.

It’s better for you to just be honest about how you feel.

The area needs the school. That has been true for 20 years, and given the distance between all the current schools, current overcrowding, and new housing development, it will likely be true for decades in the future. And this was an opportunity that wasn’t likely to come around again anytime soon. The budget is tight now, no question, but I don’t foresee that being the case for long. Buying the school in my mind therefore admittedly creates short-term problems that will be painful (and as someone who works at a school, I really feel for the teachers and everyone else affected), but it also solves a long-term problem that has been painful and would continue to be painful for a long time and can only really be solved in this one way. I think it’s worth the trade off.

I also think the points above are why it’s unlikely this is going to be a magnet school. I think given the budget shortfall, people would be rightly furious if FCPS throws money at a magnet school that isn’t necessary and no one was asking for. Whereas putting money into a neighborhood school is painful when we don’t have a lot of it right now, but it’s understandable and solves a lot of the problems that FCPS has flagged as needing to be addressed.

I noticed you say nothing about the hundreds of seats sitting empty at Herndon. People have a high tolerance for waste when they stand to benefit, but once you get your new school will you be demanding they pinch pennies elsewhere?

Could you game out for me how Herndon is a long-term solution for all of the mess that is Western Fairfax? I could see it being a short-term, partial fix, but how would it fix things like split feeders or ensure that boundaries aren’t continually shifted every few years?

DP. The PP is just the same poster who is *dying* for a certain community to move into Herndon because she hates that particular community. It actually has nothing at all to do with the KAA school and the communities that will be going there.

So we spend tens of millions to expand HHS and then leave hundreds of seats empty there indefinitely?

Maybe those extra seats could be used for an academy or magnet program of some sort?

What kind? Isn’t this the sort of thing we ought to expect FCPS to figure out before it commits to big expansions or purchases?

You mean like their boundary study? The purchase is good. The rollout could certainly have been better. Nevertheless, you want process on the one hand, they plan to use process on figuring this out. They have said that in the articles.

DP. If we had extra funds burning a hole in our pocket, maybe we could act with reckless abandon. But this whole thing feels like it was orchestrated while the sb was drunk at a New Orleans strip club.

Come to think of it, maybe they are buying it with McDaniel’s company credit card?

I'd hardly call it "reckless abandon." It was a bargain and an opportunity that could not have been predicted. And, there is construction going on in that area that would indicate that there was competition for the site. It would be a travesty to pass this up. The excuse for not doing this earlier is that they could not find a site.

In fact you could say, this is just taking its rightful place in the queue.

DP. You could say that, but it would be a stretch, unless you're prepared to say that any project that jumps the queue is just taking its rightful place.

It's a matter of need. It's been planned longer than many things in the queue. They just couldn't find a site. Now, they found one at a bargain price. Would you really think they should have ignored it?

If you needed a bigger house and one came up that was a real, honest bargain, but would not be available for long, would you not take the money you budgeted for something that could wait? Considering that you really need that house now?

DP. To extend your analogy, would I buy a multimillion dollar house when I was barely scraping by and half a million dollars in debt by using someone else’s money and not telling them what the house will be used for or even giving them a choice in the matter?

No I probably would not. Even if it was a good deal, but at the very least, they owe us an explanation of why it’s needed. They should be able to convince us, but the silence makes me think it is not well thought out. And I’m not convinced that we really need this house now as you assert.

And, you would leave your kids scattered among other family members instead? Got it.

To extend the analogy again, I’d ask my husband whether we really need a bigger house given our situation because a 2,000 square foot house for 6 people, while tight, is by no means an emergency.

It would result in several conversations with key stakeholders where we could weigh the pros and cons of wherever the benefits outweigh the costs.

That’s what is missing here. Conversation, disclosure, and good stewardship.

No. Your house is 1600 and you are pregnant.

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Anonymous wrote:The same nextdoor posters complaining (over and over again, and again and again!) about the boundary changes a few months ago, seem to be same ones up in arms about “transparency issues” with the purchase of KAA. They also appear to live in a “North Herndon” neighborhood, currently zoned for Langley. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.

I hope the purchase of KAA goes smoothly, and FCPS can successfully revamp it in time to serve the families in that area. Westfield is so far from Mcnair and Coates. How can Westfield build a thriving community when their students live so far away?

I don't live anywhere near "North Herndon," yet I also have questions about the transparency and funding of this school - even while I think it's a great purchase and will relieve the crowding issues many have spoken of. As FCPS residents, are we allowed to have questions about the process, or are we just supposed to shut up and keep our mouths closed?

One thing is for certain - if this school had been purchased in any other area (such as an area where it wouldn't benefit you), you'd be questioning the process too.

i agree. i work in a school and my kids atttend a different school. several jobs in both schools were cut due to funding. others were notified their pay is going down to make budget. how are we buying and funding a new school when there isn’t money for the current schools?

There is a difference between capital budgets and operating budgets. They are completely separate funds.

Haha. Like clockwork, the entitled pretend that money isn’t fungible.

Just admit that you feel you deserve the neighborhood school even if it means teacher job cuts and lower raises.

It’s better for you to just be honest about how you feel.

The area needs the school. That has been true for 20 years, and given the distance between all the current schools, current overcrowding, and new housing development, it will likely be true for decades in the future. And this was an opportunity that wasn’t likely to come around again anytime soon. The budget is tight now, no question, but I don’t foresee that being the case for long. Buying the school in my mind therefore admittedly creates short-term problems that will be painful (and as someone who works at a school, I really feel for the teachers and everyone else affected), but it also solves a long-term problem that has been painful and would continue to be painful for a long time and can only really be solved in this one way. I think it’s worth the trade off.

I also think the points above are why it’s unlikely this is going to be a magnet school. I think given the budget shortfall, people would be rightly furious if FCPS throws money at a magnet school that isn’t necessary and no one was asking for. Whereas putting money into a neighborhood school is painful when we don’t have a lot of it right now, but it’s understandable and solves a lot of the problems that FCPS has flagged as needing to be addressed.

I noticed you say nothing about the hundreds of seats sitting empty at Herndon. People have a high tolerance for waste when they stand to benefit, but once you get your new school will you be demanding they pinch pennies elsewhere?

Could you game out for me how Herndon is a long-term solution for all of the mess that is Western Fairfax? I could see it being a short-term, partial fix, but how would it fix things like split feeders or ensure that boundaries aren’t continually shifted every few years?

DP. The PP is just the same poster who is *dying* for a certain community to move into Herndon because she hates that particular community. It actually has nothing at all to do with the KAA school and the communities that will be going there.

So we spend tens of millions to expand HHS and then leave hundreds of seats empty there indefinitely?

Maybe those extra seats could be used for an academy or magnet program of some sort?

What kind? Isn’t this the sort of thing we ought to expect FCPS to figure out before it commits to big expansions or purchases?

You mean like their boundary study? The purchase is good. The rollout could certainly have been better. Nevertheless, you want process on the one hand, they plan to use process on figuring this out. They have said that in the articles.

DP. If we had extra funds burning a hole in our pocket, maybe we could act with reckless abandon. But this whole thing feels like it was orchestrated while the sb was drunk at a New Orleans strip club.

Come to think of it, maybe they are buying it with McDaniel’s company credit card?

I'd hardly call it "reckless abandon." It was a bargain and an opportunity that could not have been predicted. And, there is construction going on in that area that would indicate that there was competition for the site. It would be a travesty to pass this up. The excuse for not doing this earlier is that they could not find a site.

In fact you could say, this is just taking its rightful place in the queue.

DP. You could say that, but it would be a stretch, unless you're prepared to say that any project that jumps the queue is just taking its rightful place.

It's a matter of need. It's been planned longer than many things in the queue. They just couldn't find a site. Now, they found one at a bargain price. Would you really think they should have ignored it?

If you needed a bigger house and one came up that was a real, honest bargain, but would not be available for long, would you not take the money you budgeted for something that could wait? Considering that you really need that house now?

DP. To extend your analogy, would I buy a multimillion dollar house when I was barely scraping by and half a million dollars in debt by using someone else’s money and not telling them what the house will be used for or even giving them a choice in the matter?

No I probably would not. Even if it was a good deal, but at the very least, they owe us an explanation of why it’s needed. They should be able to convince us, but the silence makes me think it is not well thought out. And I’m not convinced that we really need this house now as you assert.

And, you would leave your kids scattered among other family members instead? Got it.

To extend the analogy again, I’d ask my husband whether we really need a bigger house given our situation because a 2,000 square foot house for 6 people, while tight, is by no means an emergency.

It would result in several conversations with key stakeholders where we could weigh the pros and cons of wherever the benefits outweigh the costs.

That’s what is missing here. Conversation, disclosure, and good stewardship.

No. Your house is 1600 and you are pregnant.

Okay, but still not a dire enough emergency that we just need to buy it no questions asked with taxpayer funds.

I think that’s the disconnect here. There are people stating that the schools out west are teeming clown-car style, but then you look at the CIP and that doesn’t jive with the numbers. That btw, is why an explanation from FCPS would be incredibly worthwhile at this point. Explain to us why this is needed and how it betters our school system given that it is a large amount of money and there are trade-offs involved.

As those Nextdoor posts (not me) state, we are owed an explanation.

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Anonymous wrote:The same nextdoor posters complaining (over and over again, and again and again!) about the boundary changes a few months ago, seem to be same ones up in arms about “transparency issues” with the purchase of KAA. They also appear to live in a “North Herndon” neighborhood, currently zoned for Langley. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.

I hope the purchase of KAA goes smoothly, and FCPS can successfully revamp it in time to serve the families in that area. Westfield is so far from Mcnair and Coates. How can Westfield build a thriving community when their students live so far away?

I don't live anywhere near "North Herndon," yet I also have questions about the transparency and funding of this school - even while I think it's a great purchase and will relieve the crowding issues many have spoken of. As FCPS residents, are we allowed to have questions about the process, or are we just supposed to shut up and keep our mouths closed?

One thing is for certain - if this school had been purchased in any other area (such as an area where it wouldn't benefit you), you'd be questioning the process too.

i agree. i work in a school and my kids atttend a different school. several jobs in both schools were cut due to funding. others were notified their pay is going down to make budget. how are we buying and funding a new school when there isn’t money for the current schools?

There is a difference between capital budgets and operating budgets. They are completely separate funds.

Haha. Like clockwork, the entitled pretend that money isn’t fungible.

Just admit that you feel you deserve the neighborhood school even if it means teacher job cuts and lower raises.

It’s better for you to just be honest about how you feel.

The area needs the school. That has been true for 20 years, and given the distance between all the current schools, current overcrowding, and new housing development, it will likely be true for decades in the future. And this was an opportunity that wasn’t likely to come around again anytime soon. The budget is tight now, no question, but I don’t foresee that being the case for long. Buying the school in my mind therefore admittedly creates short-term problems that will be painful (and as someone who works at a school, I really feel for the teachers and everyone else affected), but it also solves a long-term problem that has been painful and would continue to be painful for a long time and can only really be solved in this one way. I think it’s worth the trade off.

I also think the points above are why it’s unlikely this is going to be a magnet school. I think given the budget shortfall, people would be rightly furious if FCPS throws money at a magnet school that isn’t necessary and no one was asking for. Whereas putting money into a neighborhood school is painful when we don’t have a lot of it right now, but it’s understandable and solves a lot of the problems that FCPS has flagged as needing to be addressed.

I noticed you say nothing about the hundreds of seats sitting empty at Herndon. People have a high tolerance for waste when they stand to benefit, but once you get your new school will you be demanding they pinch pennies elsewhere?

Could you game out for me how Herndon is a long-term solution for all of the mess that is Western Fairfax? I could see it being a short-term, partial fix, but how would it fix things like split feeders or ensure that boundaries aren’t continually shifted every few years?

DP. The PP is just the same poster who is *dying* for a certain community to move into Herndon because she hates that particular community. It actually has nothing at all to do with the KAA school and the communities that will be going there.

So we spend tens of millions to expand HHS and then leave hundreds of seats empty there indefinitely?

Maybe those extra seats could be used for an academy or magnet program of some sort?

What kind? Isn’t this the sort of thing we ought to expect FCPS to figure out before it commits to big expansions or purchases?

You mean like their boundary study? The purchase is good. The rollout could certainly have been better. Nevertheless, you want process on the one hand, they plan to use process on figuring this out. They have said that in the articles.

DP. If we had extra funds burning a hole in our pocket, maybe we could act with reckless abandon. But this whole thing feels like it was orchestrated while the sb was drunk at a New Orleans strip club.

Come to think of it, maybe they are buying it with McDaniel’s company credit card?

I'd hardly call it "reckless abandon." It was a bargain and an opportunity that could not have been predicted. And, there is construction going on in that area that would indicate that there was competition for the site. It would be a travesty to pass this up. The excuse for not doing this earlier is that they could not find a site.

In fact you could say, this is just taking its rightful place in the queue.

DP. You could say that, but it would be a stretch, unless you're prepared to say that any project that jumps the queue is just taking its rightful place.

It's a matter of need. It's been planned longer than many things in the queue. They just couldn't find a site. Now, they found one at a bargain price. Would you really think they should have ignored it?

If you needed a bigger house and one came up that was a real, honest bargain, but would not be available for long, would you not take the money you budgeted for something that could wait? Considering that you really need that house now?

DP. To extend your analogy, would I buy a multimillion dollar house when I was barely scraping by and half a million dollars in debt by using someone else’s money and not telling them what the house will be used for or even giving them a choice in the matter?

No I probably would not. Even if it was a good deal, but at the very least, they owe us an explanation of why it’s needed. They should be able to convince us, but the silence makes me think it is not well thought out. And I’m not convinced that we really need this house now as you assert.

And, you would leave your kids scattered among other family members instead? Got it.

To extend the analogy again, I’d ask my husband whether we really need a bigger house given our situation because a 2,000 square foot house for 6 people, while tight, is by no means an emergency.

It would result in several conversations with key stakeholders where we could weigh the pros and cons of wherever the benefits outweigh the costs.

That’s what is missing here. Conversation, disclosure, and good stewardship.

No. Your house is 1600 and you are pregnant.

Okay, but still not a dire enough emergency that we just need to buy it no questions asked with taxpayer funds.

I think that’s the disconnect here. There are people stating that the schools out west are teeming clown-car style, but then you look at the CIP and that doesn’t jive with the numbers. That btw, is why an explanation from FCPS would be incredibly worthwhile at this point. Explain to us why this is needed and how it betters our school system given that it is a large amount of money and there are trade-offs involved.

As those Nextdoor posts (not me) state, we are owed an explanation.

For twenty years we have been told there is no property--but you want them to skip this bargain? The SB does not do many things right, but this one is. Go listen to the SB meeting when they voted. There were lots of reasons given. You just don't want this.

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Anonymous wrote:The same nextdoor posters complaining (over and over again, and again and again!) about the boundary changes a few months ago, seem to be same ones up in arms about “transparency issues” with the purchase of KAA. They also appear to live in a “North Herndon” neighborhood, currently zoned for Langley. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.

I hope the purchase of KAA goes smoothly, and FCPS can successfully revamp it in time to serve the families in that area. Westfield is so far from Mcnair and Coates. How can Westfield build a thriving community when their students live so far away?

I don't live anywhere near "North Herndon," yet I also have questions about the transparency and funding of this school - even while I think it's a great purchase and will relieve the crowding issues many have spoken of. As FCPS residents, are we allowed to have questions about the process, or are we just supposed to shut up and keep our mouths closed?

One thing is for certain - if this school had been purchased in any other area (such as an area where it wouldn't benefit you), you'd be questioning the process too.

i agree. i work in a school and my kids atttend a different school. several jobs in both schools were cut due to funding. others were notified their pay is going down to make budget. how are we buying and funding a new school when there isn’t money for the current schools?

There is a difference between capital budgets and operating budgets. They are completely separate funds.

Haha. Like clockwork, the entitled pretend that money isn’t fungible.

Just admit that you feel you deserve the neighborhood school even if it means teacher job cuts and lower raises.

It’s better for you to just be honest about how you feel.

The area needs the school. That has been true for 20 years, and given the distance between all the current schools, current overcrowding, and new housing development, it will likely be true for decades in the future. And this was an opportunity that wasn’t likely to come around again anytime soon. The budget is tight now, no question, but I don’t foresee that being the case for long. Buying the school in my mind therefore admittedly creates short-term problems that will be painful (and as someone who works at a school, I really feel for the teachers and everyone else affected), but it also solves a long-term problem that has been painful and would continue to be painful for a long time and can only really be solved in this one way. I think it’s worth the trade off.

I also think the points above are why it’s unlikely this is going to be a magnet school. I think given the budget shortfall, people would be rightly furious if FCPS throws money at a magnet school that isn’t necessary and no one was asking for. Whereas putting money into a neighborhood school is painful when we don’t have a lot of it right now, but it’s understandable and solves a lot of the problems that FCPS has flagged as needing to be addressed.

I noticed you say nothing about the hundreds of seats sitting empty at Herndon. People have a high tolerance for waste when they stand to benefit, but once you get your new school will you be demanding they pinch pennies elsewhere?

Could you game out for me how Herndon is a long-term solution for all of the mess that is Western Fairfax? I could see it being a short-term, partial fix, but how would it fix things like split feeders or ensure that boundaries aren’t continually shifted every few years?

DP. The PP is just the same poster who is *dying* for a certain community to move into Herndon because she hates that particular community. It actually has nothing at all to do with the KAA school and the communities that will be going there.

So we spend tens of millions to expand HHS and then leave hundreds of seats empty there indefinitely?

Maybe those extra seats could be used for an academy or magnet program of some sort?

What kind? Isn’t this the sort of thing we ought to expect FCPS to figure out before it commits to big expansions or purchases?

You mean like their boundary study? The purchase is good. The rollout could certainly have been better. Nevertheless, you want process on the one hand, they plan to use process on figuring this out. They have said that in the articles.

DP. If we had extra funds burning a hole in our pocket, maybe we could act with reckless abandon. But this whole thing feels like it was orchestrated while the sb was drunk at a New Orleans strip club.

Come to think of it, maybe they are buying it with McDaniel’s company credit card?

I'd hardly call it "reckless abandon." It was a bargain and an opportunity that could not have been predicted. And, there is construction going on in that area that would indicate that there was competition for the site. It would be a travesty to pass this up. The excuse for not doing this earlier is that they could not find a site.

In fact you could say, this is just taking its rightful place in the queue.

DP. You could say that, but it would be a stretch, unless you're prepared to say that any project that jumps the queue is just taking its rightful place.

It's a matter of need. It's been planned longer than many things in the queue. They just couldn't find a site. Now, they found one at a bargain price. Would you really think they should have ignored it?

If you needed a bigger house and one came up that was a real, honest bargain, but would not be available for long, would you not take the money you budgeted for something that could wait? Considering that you really need that house now?

DP. To extend your analogy, would I buy a multimillion dollar house when I was barely scraping by and half a million dollars in debt by using someone else’s money and not telling them what the house will be used for or even giving them a choice in the matter?

No I probably would not. Even if it was a good deal, but at the very least, they owe us an explanation of why it’s needed. They should be able to convince us, but the silence makes me think it is not well thought out. And I’m not convinced that we really need this house now as you assert.

And, you would leave your kids scattered among other family members instead? Got it.

To extend the analogy again, I’d ask my husband whether we really need a bigger house given our situation because a 2,000 square foot house for 6 people, while tight, is by no means an emergency.

It would result in several conversations with key stakeholders where we could weigh the pros and cons of wherever the benefits outweigh the costs.

That’s what is missing here. Conversation, disclosure, and good stewardship.

No. Your house is 1600 and you are pregnant.

Okay, but still not a dire enough emergency that we just need to buy it no questions asked with taxpayer funds.

I think that’s the disconnect here. There are people stating that the schools out west are teeming clown-car style, but then you look at the CIP and that doesn’t jive with the numbers. That btw, is why an explanation from FCPS would be incredibly worthwhile at this point. Explain to us why this is needed and how it betters our school system given that it is a large amount of money and there are trade-offs involved.

As those Nextdoor posts (not me) state, we are owed an explanation.

For twenty years we have been told there is no property--but you want them to skip this bargain? The SB does not do many things right, but this one is. Go listen to the SB meeting when they voted. There were lots of reasons given. You just don't want this.

I listened live. They spent half an hour discussing baseball field lights before this vote and two minutes patting themselves on the back for the bargain purchase, nothing more, and you really hurt your credibility by claiming otherwise.

Again, because you gloss over it every time you post: because this involves trade-offs, they owe us an explanation as to why this is needed. We get you’re happy about it, but why is it needed and what is deferred or cancelled because of the purchase?

We are owed disclosure for a 150 million dollar purchase no matter how much of a slam dunk it if, even if those in your area are excited about it.

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Anonymous wrote:The same nextdoor posters complaining (over and over again, and again and again!) about the boundary changes a few months ago, seem to be same ones up in arms about “transparency issues” with the purchase of KAA. They also appear to live in a “North Herndon” neighborhood, currently zoned for Langley. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.

I hope the purchase of KAA goes smoothly, and FCPS can successfully revamp it in time to serve the families in that area. Westfield is so far from Mcnair and Coates. How can Westfield build a thriving community when their students live so far away?

I don't live anywhere near "North Herndon," yet I also have questions about the transparency and funding of this school - even while I think it's a great purchase and will relieve the crowding issues many have spoken of. As FCPS residents, are we allowed to have questions about the process, or are we just supposed to shut up and keep our mouths closed?

One thing is for certain - if this school had been purchased in any other area (such as an area where it wouldn't benefit you), you'd be questioning the process too.

i agree. i work in a school and my kids atttend a different school. several jobs in both schools were cut due to funding. others were notified their pay is going down to make budget. how are we buying and funding a new school when there isn’t money for the current schools?

There is a difference between capital budgets and operating budgets. They are completely separate funds.

Haha. Like clockwork, the entitled pretend that money isn’t fungible.

Just admit that you feel you deserve the neighborhood school even if it means teacher job cuts and lower raises.

It’s better for you to just be honest about how you feel.

The area needs the school. That has been true for 20 years, and given the distance between all the current schools, current overcrowding, and new housing development, it will likely be true for decades in the future. And this was an opportunity that wasn’t likely to come around again anytime soon. The budget is tight now, no question, but I don’t foresee that being the case for long. Buying the school in my mind therefore admittedly creates short-term problems that will be painful (and as someone who works at a school, I really feel for the teachers and everyone else affected), but it also solves a long-term problem that has been painful and would continue to be painful for a long time and can only really be solved in this one way. I think it’s worth the trade off.

I also think the points above are why it’s unlikely this is going to be a magnet school. I think given the budget shortfall, people would be rightly furious if FCPS throws money at a magnet school that isn’t necessary and no one was asking for. Whereas putting money into a neighborhood school is painful when we don’t have a lot of it right now, but it’s understandable and solves a lot of the problems that FCPS has flagged as needing to be addressed.

I noticed you say nothing about the hundreds of seats sitting empty at Herndon. People have a high tolerance for waste when they stand to benefit, but once you get your new school will you be demanding they pinch pennies elsewhere?

Could you game out for me how Herndon is a long-term solution for all of the mess that is Western Fairfax? I could see it being a short-term, partial fix, but how would it fix things like split feeders or ensure that boundaries aren’t continually shifted every few years?

DP. The PP is just the same poster who is *dying* for a certain community to move into Herndon because she hates that particular community. It actually has nothing at all to do with the KAA school and the communities that will be going there.

So we spend tens of millions to expand HHS and then leave hundreds of seats empty there indefinitely?

Maybe those extra seats could be used for an academy or magnet program of some sort?

What kind? Isn’t this the sort of thing we ought to expect FCPS to figure out before it commits to big expansions or purchases?

You mean like their boundary study? The purchase is good. The rollout could certainly have been better. Nevertheless, you want process on the one hand, they plan to use process on figuring this out. They have said that in the articles.

DP. If we had extra funds burning a hole in our pocket, maybe we could act with reckless abandon. But this whole thing feels like it was orchestrated while the sb was drunk at a New Orleans strip club.

Come to think of it, maybe they are buying it with McDaniel’s company credit card?

I'd hardly call it "reckless abandon." It was a bargain and an opportunity that could not have been predicted. And, there is construction going on in that area that would indicate that there was competition for the site. It would be a travesty to pass this up. The excuse for not doing this earlier is that they could not find a site.

In fact you could say, this is just taking its rightful place in the queue.

DP. You could say that, but it would be a stretch, unless you're prepared to say that any project that jumps the queue is just taking its rightful place.

It's a matter of need. It's been planned longer than many things in the queue. They just couldn't find a site. Now, they found one at a bargain price. Would you really think they should have ignored it?

If you needed a bigger house and one came up that was a real, honest bargain, but would not be available for long, would you not take the money you budgeted for something that could wait? Considering that you really need that house now?

DP. To extend your analogy, would I buy a multimillion dollar house when I was barely scraping by and half a million dollars in debt by using someone else’s money and not telling them what the house will be used for or even giving them a choice in the matter?

No I probably would not. Even if it was a good deal, but at the very least, they owe us an explanation of why it’s needed. They should be able to convince us, but the silence makes me think it is not well thought out. And I’m not convinced that we really need this house now as you assert.

And, you would leave your kids scattered among other family members instead? Got it.

To extend the analogy again, I’d ask my husband whether we really need a bigger house given our situation because a 2,000 square foot house for 6 people, while tight, is by no means an emergency.

It would result in several conversations with key stakeholders where we could weigh the pros and cons of wherever the benefits outweigh the costs.

That’s what is missing here. Conversation, disclosure, and good stewardship.

No. Your house is 1600 and you are pregnant.

Okay, but still not a dire enough emergency that we just need to buy it no questions asked with taxpayer funds.

I think that’s the disconnect here. There are people stating that the schools out west are teeming clown-car style, but then you look at the CIP and that doesn’t jive with the numbers. That btw, is why an explanation from FCPS would be incredibly worthwhile at this point. Explain to us why this is needed and how it betters our school system given that it is a large amount of money and there are trade-offs involved.

As those Nextdoor posts (not me) state, we are owed an explanation.

For twenty years we have been told there is no property--but you want them to skip this bargain? The SB does not do many things right, but this one is. Go listen to the SB meeting when they voted. There were lots of reasons given. You just don't want this.

I listened live. They spent half an hour discussing baseball field lights before this vote and two minutes patting themselves on the back for the bargain purchase, nothing more, and you really hurt your credibility by claiming otherwise.

Again, because you gloss over it every time you post: because this involves trade-offs, they owe us an explanation as to why this is needed. We get you’re happy about it, but why is it needed and what is deferred or cancelled because of the purchase?

We are owed disclosure for a 150 million dollar purchase no matter how much of a slam dunk it if, even if those in your area are excited about it.

Nailed it. These people would be the first in line to be shitting bricks if they suddenly adjusted the CIP to spend even a fraction of this $150M in another part of the county.

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Anonymous wrote:The same nextdoor posters complaining (over and over again, and again and again!) about the boundary changes a few months ago, seem to be same ones up in arms about “transparency issues” with the purchase of KAA. They also appear to live in a “North Herndon” neighborhood, currently zoned for Langley. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.

I hope the purchase of KAA goes smoothly, and FCPS can successfully revamp it in time to serve the families in that area. Westfield is so far from Mcnair and Coates. How can Westfield build a thriving community when their students live so far away?

I don't live anywhere near "North Herndon," yet I also have questions about the transparency and funding of this school - even while I think it's a great purchase and will relieve the crowding issues many have spoken of. As FCPS residents, are we allowed to have questions about the process, or are we just supposed to shut up and keep our mouths closed?

One thing is for certain - if this school had been purchased in any other area (such as an area where it wouldn't benefit you), you'd be questioning the process too.

i agree. i work in a school and my kids atttend a different school. several jobs in both schools were cut due to funding. others were notified their pay is going down to make budget. how are we buying and funding a new school when there isn’t money for the current schools?

There is a difference between capital budgets and operating budgets. They are completely separate funds.

Haha. Like clockwork, the entitled pretend that money isn’t fungible.

Just admit that you feel you deserve the neighborhood school even if it means teacher job cuts and lower raises.

It’s better for you to just be honest about how you feel.

The area needs the school. That has been true for 20 years, and given the distance between all the current schools, current overcrowding, and new housing development, it will likely be true for decades in the future. And this was an opportunity that wasn’t likely to come around again anytime soon. The budget is tight now, no question, but I don’t foresee that being the case for long. Buying the school in my mind therefore admittedly creates short-term problems that will be painful (and as someone who works at a school, I really feel for the teachers and everyone else affected), but it also solves a long-term problem that has been painful and would continue to be painful for a long time and can only really be solved in this one way. I think it’s worth the trade off.

I also think the points above are why it’s unlikely this is going to be a magnet school. I think given the budget shortfall, people would be rightly furious if FCPS throws money at a magnet school that isn’t necessary and no one was asking for. Whereas putting money into a neighborhood school is painful when we don’t have a lot of it right now, but it’s understandable and solves a lot of the problems that FCPS has flagged as needing to be addressed.

I noticed you say nothing about the hundreds of seats sitting empty at Herndon. People have a high tolerance for waste when they stand to benefit, but once you get your new school will you be demanding they pinch pennies elsewhere?

Could you game out for me how Herndon is a long-term solution for all of the mess that is Western Fairfax? I could see it being a short-term, partial fix, but how would it fix things like split feeders or ensure that boundaries aren’t continually shifted every few years?

DP. The PP is just the same poster who is *dying* for a certain community to move into Herndon because she hates that particular community. It actually has nothing at all to do with the KAA school and the communities that will be going there.

So we spend tens of millions to expand HHS and then leave hundreds of seats empty there indefinitely?

Maybe those extra seats could be used for an academy or magnet program of some sort?

What kind? Isn’t this the sort of thing we ought to expect FCPS to figure out before it commits to big expansions or purchases?

You mean like their boundary study? The purchase is good. The rollout could certainly have been better. Nevertheless, you want process on the one hand, they plan to use process on figuring this out. They have said that in the articles.

DP. If we had extra funds burning a hole in our pocket, maybe we could act with reckless abandon. But this whole thing feels like it was orchestrated while the sb was drunk at a New Orleans strip club.

Come to think of it, maybe they are buying it with McDaniel’s company credit card?

I'd hardly call it "reckless abandon." It was a bargain and an opportunity that could not have been predicted. And, there is construction going on in that area that would indicate that there was competition for the site. It would be a travesty to pass this up. The excuse for not doing this earlier is that they could not find a site.

In fact you could say, this is just taking its rightful place in the queue.

DP. You could say that, but it would be a stretch, unless you're prepared to say that any project that jumps the queue is just taking its rightful place.

It's a matter of need. It's been planned longer than many things in the queue. They just couldn't find a site. Now, they found one at a bargain price. Would you really think they should have ignored it?

If you needed a bigger house and one came up that was a real, honest bargain, but would not be available for long, would you not take the money you budgeted for something that could wait? Considering that you really need that house now?

DP. To extend your analogy, would I buy a multimillion dollar house when I was barely scraping by and half a million dollars in debt by using someone else’s money and not telling them what the house will be used for or even giving them a choice in the matter?

No I probably would not. Even if it was a good deal, but at the very least, they owe us an explanation of why it’s needed. They should be able to convince us, but the silence makes me think it is not well thought out. And I’m not convinced that we really need this house now as you assert.

And, you would leave your kids scattered among other family members instead? Got it.

To extend the analogy again, I’d ask my husband whether we really need a bigger house given our situation because a 2,000 square foot house for 6 people, while tight, is by no means an emergency.

It would result in several conversations with key stakeholders where we could weigh the pros and cons of wherever the benefits outweigh the costs.

That’s what is missing here. Conversation, disclosure, and good stewardship.

No. Your house is 1600 and you are pregnant.

You a make a 1600 sqft house work. People here are insane about the amount of space the “need”.

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it also depends how you use the space. my kids are at an elementary school with low 80s% capacity usage but classes are packed to the gills. 30-32 kids for 3rd and 4th. neighboring school with same % capacity has classes under 20 kids.

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Anonymous wrote:The same nextdoor posters complaining (over and over again, and again and again!) about the boundary changes a few months ago, seem to be same ones up in arms about “transparency issues” with the purchase of KAA. They also appear to live in a “North Herndon” neighborhood, currently zoned for Langley. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.

I hope the purchase of KAA goes smoothly, and FCPS can successfully revamp it in time to serve the families in that area. Westfield is so far from Mcnair and Coates. How can Westfield build a thriving community when their students live so far away?

I don't live anywhere near "North Herndon," yet I also have questions about the transparency and funding of this school - even while I think it's a great purchase and will relieve the crowding issues many have spoken of. As FCPS residents, are we allowed to have questions about the process, or are we just supposed to shut up and keep our mouths closed?

One thing is for certain - if this school had been purchased in any other area (such as an area where it wouldn't benefit you), you'd be questioning the process too.

i agree. i work in a school and my kids atttend a different school. several jobs in both schools were cut due to funding. others were notified their pay is going down to make budget. how are we buying and funding a new school when there isn’t money for the current schools?

There is a difference between capital budgets and operating budgets. They are completely separate funds.

Haha. Like clockwork, the entitled pretend that money isn’t fungible.

Just admit that you feel you deserve the neighborhood school even if it means teacher job cuts and lower raises.

It’s better for you to just be honest about how you feel.

The area needs the school. That has been true for 20 years, and given the distance between all the current schools, current overcrowding, and new housing development, it will likely be true for decades in the future. And this was an opportunity that wasn’t likely to come around again anytime soon. The budget is tight now, no question, but I don’t foresee that being the case for long. Buying the school in my mind therefore admittedly creates short-term problems that will be painful (and as someone who works at a school, I really feel for the teachers and everyone else affected), but it also solves a long-term problem that has been painful and would continue to be painful for a long time and can only really be solved in this one way. I think it’s worth the trade off.

I also think the points above are why it’s unlikely this is going to be a magnet school. I think given the budget shortfall, people would be rightly furious if FCPS throws money at a magnet school that isn’t necessary and no one was asking for. Whereas putting money into a neighborhood school is painful when we don’t have a lot of it right now, but it’s understandable and solves a lot of the problems that FCPS has flagged as needing to be addressed.

I noticed you say nothing about the hundreds of seats sitting empty at Herndon. People have a high tolerance for waste when they stand to benefit, but once you get your new school will you be demanding they pinch pennies elsewhere?

Could you game out for me how Herndon is a long-term solution for all of the mess that is Western Fairfax? I could see it being a short-term, partial fix, but how would it fix things like split feeders or ensure that boundaries aren’t continually shifted every few years?

DP. The PP is just the same poster who is *dying* for a certain community to move into Herndon because she hates that particular community. It actually has nothing at all to do with the KAA school and the communities that will be going there.

So we spend tens of millions to expand HHS and then leave hundreds of seats empty there indefinitely?

Maybe those extra seats could be used for an academy or magnet program of some sort?

What kind? Isn’t this the sort of thing we ought to expect FCPS to figure out before it commits to big expansions or purchases?

You mean like their boundary study? The purchase is good. The rollout could certainly have been better. Nevertheless, you want process on the one hand, they plan to use process on figuring this out. They have said that in the articles.

DP. If we had extra funds burning a hole in our pocket, maybe we could act with reckless abandon. But this whole thing feels like it was orchestrated while the sb was drunk at a New Orleans strip club.

Come to think of it, maybe they are buying it with McDaniel’s company credit card?

I'd hardly call it "reckless abandon." It was a bargain and an opportunity that could not have been predicted. And, there is construction going on in that area that would indicate that there was competition for the site. It would be a travesty to pass this up. The excuse for not doing this earlier is that they could not find a site.

In fact you could say, this is just taking its rightful place in the queue.

DP. You could say that, but it would be a stretch, unless you're prepared to say that any project that jumps the queue is just taking its rightful place.

It's a matter of need. It's been planned longer than many things in the queue. They just couldn't find a site. Now, they found one at a bargain price. Would you really think they should have ignored it?

If you needed a bigger house and one came up that was a real, honest bargain, but would not be available for long, would you not take the money you budgeted for something that could wait? Considering that you really need that house now?

DP. To extend your analogy, would I buy a multimillion dollar house when I was barely scraping by and half a million dollars in debt by using someone else’s money and not telling them what the house will be used for or even giving them a choice in the matter?

No I probably would not. Even if it was a good deal, but at the very least, they owe us an explanation of why it’s needed. They should be able to convince us, but the silence makes me think it is not well thought out. And I’m not convinced that we really need this house now as you assert.

And, you would leave your kids scattered among other family members instead? Got it.

To extend the analogy again, I’d ask my husband whether we really need a bigger house given our situation because a 2,000 square foot house for 6 people, while tight, is by no means an emergency.

It would result in several conversations with key stakeholders where we could weigh the pros and cons of wherever the benefits outweigh the costs.

That’s what is missing here. Conversation, disclosure, and good stewardship.

No. Your house is 1600 and you are pregnant.

Okay, but still not a dire enough emergency that we just need to buy it no questions asked with taxpayer funds.

I think that’s the disconnect here. There are people stating that the schools out west are teeming clown-car style, but then you look at the CIP and that doesn’t jive with the numbers. That btw, is why an explanation from FCPS would be incredibly worthwhile at this point. Explain to us why this is needed and how it betters our school system given that it is a large amount of money and there are trade-offs involved.

As those Nextdoor posts (not me) state, we are owed an explanation.

For twenty years we have been told there is no property--but you want them to skip this bargain? The SB does not do many things right, but this one is. Go listen to the SB meeting when they voted. There were lots of reasons given. You just don't want this.

I listened live. They spent half an hour discussing baseball field lights before this vote and two minutes patting themselves on the back for the bargain purchase, nothing more, and you really hurt your credibility by claiming otherwise.

Again, because you gloss over it every time you post: because this involves trade-offs, they owe us an explanation as to why this is needed. We get you’re happy about it, but why is it needed and what is deferred or cancelled because of the purchase?

We are owed disclosure for a 150 million dollar purchase no matter how much of a slam dunk it if, even if those in your area are excited about it.

Nailed it. These people would be the first in line to be shitting bricks if they suddenly adjusted the CIP to spend even a fraction of this $150M in another part of the county.

What is your evidence for this? I've never heard any complaints about improving our schools. I have heard complaints about keeping schools closed during COVID and some salaries for top administrators--but not for needed schools or renovations. Please give examples.

As for the purchase, you must have decided it is a bad purchase. Because, certainly, had it been announced it would not have succeeded because of the competition of buyers. It would likely have been turned into another data center or housing--which, ironically, would have made the need for a new school even greater. I'm pretty sure the School Board must have been aware of the negotiations. Isn't that why we have elected officers? Gee.

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Anonymous wrote:The same nextdoor posters complaining (over and over again, and again and again!) about the boundary changes a few months ago, seem to be same ones up in arms about “transparency issues” with the purchase of KAA. They also appear to live in a “North Herndon” neighborhood, currently zoned for Langley. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.

I hope the purchase of KAA goes smoothly, and FCPS can successfully revamp it in time to serve the families in that area. Westfield is so far from Mcnair and Coates. How can Westfield build a thriving community when their students live so far away?

I don't live anywhere near "North Herndon," yet I also have questions about the transparency and funding of this school - even while I think it's a great purchase and will relieve the crowding issues many have spoken of. As FCPS residents, are we allowed to have questions about the process, or are we just supposed to shut up and keep our mouths closed?

One thing is for certain - if this school had been purchased in any other area (such as an area where it wouldn't benefit you), you'd be questioning the process too.

i agree. i work in a school and my kids atttend a different school. several jobs in both schools were cut due to funding. others were notified their pay is going down to make budget. how are we buying and funding a new school when there isn’t money for the current schools?

There is a difference between capital budgets and operating budgets. They are completely separate funds.

Haha. Like clockwork, the entitled pretend that money isn’t fungible.

Just admit that you feel you deserve the neighborhood school even if it means teacher job cuts and lower raises.

It’s better for you to just be honest about how you feel.

The area needs the school. That has been true for 20 years, and given the distance between all the current schools, current overcrowding, and new housing development, it will likely be true for decades in the future. And this was an opportunity that wasn’t likely to come around again anytime soon. The budget is tight now, no question, but I don’t foresee that being the case for long. Buying the school in my mind therefore admittedly creates short-term problems that will be painful (and as someone who works at a school, I really feel for the teachers and everyone else affected), but it also solves a long-term problem that has been painful and would continue to be painful for a long time and can only really be solved in this one way. I think it’s worth the trade off.

I also think the points above are why it’s unlikely this is going to be a magnet school. I think given the budget shortfall, people would be rightly furious if FCPS throws money at a magnet school that isn’t necessary and no one was asking for. Whereas putting money into a neighborhood school is painful when we don’t have a lot of it right now, but it’s understandable and solves a lot of the problems that FCPS has flagged as needing to be addressed.

I noticed you say nothing about the hundreds of seats sitting empty at Herndon. People have a high tolerance for waste when they stand to benefit, but once you get your new school will you be demanding they pinch pennies elsewhere?

Could you game out for me how Herndon is a long-term solution for all of the mess that is Western Fairfax? I could see it being a short-term, partial fix, but how would it fix things like split feeders or ensure that boundaries aren’t continually shifted every few years?

DP. The PP is just the same poster who is *dying* for a certain community to move into Herndon because she hates that particular community. It actually has nothing at all to do with the KAA school and the communities that will be going there.

So we spend tens of millions to expand HHS and then leave hundreds of seats empty there indefinitely?

Maybe those extra seats could be used for an academy or magnet program of some sort?

What kind? Isn’t this the sort of thing we ought to expect FCPS to figure out before it commits to big expansions or purchases?

You mean like their boundary study? The purchase is good. The rollout could certainly have been better. Nevertheless, you want process on the one hand, they plan to use process on figuring this out. They have said that in the articles.

DP. If we had extra funds burning a hole in our pocket, maybe we could act with reckless abandon. But this whole thing feels like it was orchestrated while the sb was drunk at a New Orleans strip club.

Come to think of it, maybe they are buying it with McDaniel’s company credit card?

I'd hardly call it "reckless abandon." It was a bargain and an opportunity that could not have been predicted. And, there is construction going on in that area that would indicate that there was competition for the site. It would be a travesty to pass this up. The excuse for not doing this earlier is that they could not find a site.

In fact you could say, this is just taking its rightful place in the queue.

DP. You could say that, but it would be a stretch, unless you're prepared to say that any project that jumps the queue is just taking its rightful place.

It's a matter of need. It's been planned longer than many things in the queue. They just couldn't find a site. Now, they found one at a bargain price. Would you really think they should have ignored it?

If you needed a bigger house and one came up that was a real, honest bargain, but would not be available for long, would you not take the money you budgeted for something that could wait? Considering that you really need that house now?

DP. To extend your analogy, would I buy a multimillion dollar house when I was barely scraping by and half a million dollars in debt by using someone else’s money and not telling them what the house will be used for or even giving them a choice in the matter?

No I probably would not. Even if it was a good deal, but at the very least, they owe us an explanation of why it’s needed. They should be able to convince us, but the silence makes me think it is not well thought out. And I’m not convinced that we really need this house now as you assert.

And, you would leave your kids scattered among other family members instead? Got it.

To extend the analogy again, I’d ask my husband whether we really need a bigger house given our situation because a 2,000 square foot house for 6 people, while tight, is by no means an emergency.

It would result in several conversations with key stakeholders where we could weigh the pros and cons of wherever the benefits outweigh the costs.

That’s what is missing here. Conversation, disclosure, and good stewardship.

No. Your house is 1600 and you are pregnant.

Okay, but still not a dire enough emergency that we just need to buy it no questions asked with taxpayer funds.

I think that’s the disconnect here. There are people stating that the schools out west are teeming clown-car style, but then you look at the CIP and that doesn’t jive with the numbers. That btw, is why an explanation from FCPS would be incredibly worthwhile at this point. Explain to us why this is needed and how it betters our school system given that it is a large amount of money and there are trade-offs involved.

As those Nextdoor posts (not me) state, we are owed an explanation.

For twenty years we have been told there is no property--but you want them to skip this bargain? The SB does not do many things right, but this one is. Go listen to the SB meeting when they voted. There were lots of reasons given. You just don't want this.

I listened live. They spent half an hour discussing baseball field lights before this vote and two minutes patting themselves on the back for the bargain purchase, nothing more, and you really hurt your credibility by claiming otherwise.

Again, because you gloss over it every time you post: because this involves trade-offs, they owe us an explanation as to why this is needed. We get you’re happy about it, but why is it needed and what is deferred or cancelled because of the purchase?

We are owed disclosure for a 150 million dollar purchase no matter how much of a slam dunk it if, even if those in your area are excited about it.

Nailed it. These people would be the first in line to be shitting bricks if they suddenly adjusted the CIP to spend even a fraction of this $150M in another part of the county.

What is your evidence for this? I've never heard any complaints about improving our schools. I have heard complaints about keeping schools closed during COVID and some salaries for top administrators--but not for needed schools or renovations. Please give examples.

As for the purchase, you must have decided it is a bad purchase. Because, certainly, had it been announced it would not have succeeded because of the competition of buyers. It would likely have been turned into another data center or housing--which, ironically, would have made the need for a new school even greater. I'm pretty sure the School Board must have been aware of the negotiations. Isn't that why we have elected officers? Gee.

you keep glossing over the point. very few people care about the actual school. it is needed. they just want transparency as to what will now be cut, how they will get money to operate the school when we are over a hundred million under budget, jobs are being cut in many schools. how is it being incorporated into boundary review (reid said it’s not). asking questions does not mean people say don’t buy the school

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Anonymous wrote:The same nextdoor posters complaining (over and over again, and again and again!) about the boundary changes a few months ago, seem to be same ones up in arms about “transparency issues” with the purchase of KAA. They also appear to live in a “North Herndon” neighborhood, currently zoned for Langley. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.

I hope the purchase of KAA goes smoothly, and FCPS can successfully revamp it in time to serve the families in that area. Westfield is so far from Mcnair and Coates. How can Westfield build a thriving community when their students live so far away?

I don't live anywhere near "North Herndon," yet I also have questions about the transparency and funding of this school - even while I think it's a great purchase and will relieve the crowding issues many have spoken of. As FCPS residents, are we allowed to have questions about the process, or are we just supposed to shut up and keep our mouths closed?

One thing is for certain - if this school had been purchased in any other area (such as an area where it wouldn't benefit you), you'd be questioning the process too.

i agree. i work in a school and my kids atttend a different school. several jobs in both schools were cut due to funding. others were notified their pay is going down to make budget. how are we buying and funding a new school when there isn’t money for the current schools?

There is a difference between capital budgets and operating budgets. They are completely separate funds.

Haha. Like clockwork, the entitled pretend that money isn’t fungible.

Just admit that you feel you deserve the neighborhood school even if it means teacher job cuts and lower raises.

It’s better for you to just be honest about how you feel.

The area needs the school. That has been true for 20 years, and given the distance between all the current schools, current overcrowding, and new housing development, it will likely be true for decades in the future. And this was an opportunity that wasn’t likely to come around again anytime soon. The budget is tight now, no question, but I don’t foresee that being the case for long. Buying the school in my mind therefore admittedly creates short-term problems that will be painful (and as someone who works at a school, I really feel for the teachers and everyone else affected), but it also solves a long-term problem that has been painful and would continue to be painful for a long time and can only really be solved in this one way. I think it’s worth the trade off.

I also think the points above are why it’s unlikely this is going to be a magnet school. I think given the budget shortfall, people would be rightly furious if FCPS throws money at a magnet school that isn’t necessary and no one was asking for. Whereas putting money into a neighborhood school is painful when we don’t have a lot of it right now, but it’s understandable and solves a lot of the problems that FCPS has flagged as needing to be addressed.

I noticed you say nothing about the hundreds of seats sitting empty at Herndon. People have a high tolerance for waste when they stand to benefit, but once you get your new school will you be demanding they pinch pennies elsewhere?

Could you game out for me how Herndon is a long-term solution for all of the mess that is Western Fairfax? I could see it being a short-term, partial fix, but how would it fix things like split feeders or ensure that boundaries aren’t continually shifted every few years?

DP. The PP is just the same poster who is *dying* for a certain community to move into Herndon because she hates that particular community. It actually has nothing at all to do with the KAA school and the communities that will be going there.

So we spend tens of millions to expand HHS and then leave hundreds of seats empty there indefinitely?

Maybe those extra seats could be used for an academy or magnet program of some sort?

What kind? Isn’t this the sort of thing we ought to expect FCPS to figure out before it commits to big expansions or purchases?

You mean like their boundary study? The purchase is good. The rollout could certainly have been better. Nevertheless, you want process on the one hand, they plan to use process on figuring this out. They have said that in the articles.

DP. If we had extra funds burning a hole in our pocket, maybe we could act with reckless abandon. But this whole thing feels like it was orchestrated while the sb was drunk at a New Orleans strip club.

Come to think of it, maybe they are buying it with McDaniel’s company credit card?

I'd hardly call it "reckless abandon." It was a bargain and an opportunity that could not have been predicted. And, there is construction going on in that area that would indicate that there was competition for the site. It would be a travesty to pass this up. The excuse for not doing this earlier is that they could not find a site.

In fact you could say, this is just taking its rightful place in the queue.

DP. You could say that, but it would be a stretch, unless you're prepared to say that any project that jumps the queue is just taking its rightful place.

It's a matter of need. It's been planned longer than many things in the queue. They just couldn't find a site. Now, they found one at a bargain price. Would you really think they should have ignored it?

If you needed a bigger house and one came up that was a real, honest bargain, but would not be available for long, would you not take the money you budgeted for something that could wait? Considering that you really need that house now?

DP. To extend your analogy, would I buy a multimillion dollar house when I was barely scraping by and half a million dollars in debt by using someone else’s money and not telling them what the house will be used for or even giving them a choice in the matter?

No I probably would not. Even if it was a good deal, but at the very least, they owe us an explanation of why it’s needed. They should be able to convince us, but the silence makes me think it is not well thought out. And I’m not convinced that we really need this house now as you assert.

And, you would leave your kids scattered among other family members instead? Got it.

To extend the analogy again, I’d ask my husband whether we really need a bigger house given our situation because a 2,000 square foot house for 6 people, while tight, is by no means an emergency.

It would result in several conversations with key stakeholders where we could weigh the pros and cons of wherever the benefits outweigh the costs.

That’s what is missing here. Conversation, disclosure, and good stewardship.

No. Your house is 1600 and you are pregnant.

Okay, but still not a dire enough emergency that we just need to buy it no questions asked with taxpayer funds.

I think that’s the disconnect here. There are people stating that the schools out west are teeming clown-car style, but then you look at the CIP and that doesn’t jive with the numbers. That btw, is why an explanation from FCPS would be incredibly worthwhile at this point. Explain to us why this is needed and how it betters our school system given that it is a large amount of money and there are trade-offs involved.

As those Nextdoor posts (not me) state, we are owed an explanation.

For twenty years we have been told there is no property--but you want them to skip this bargain? The SB does not do many things right, but this one is. Go listen to the SB meeting when they voted. There were lots of reasons given. You just don't want this.

I listened live. They spent half an hour discussing baseball field lights before this vote and two minutes patting themselves on the back for the bargain purchase, nothing more, and you really hurt your credibility by claiming otherwise.

Again, because you gloss over it every time you post: because this involves trade-offs, they owe us an explanation as to why this is needed. We get you’re happy about it, but why is it needed and what is deferred or cancelled because of the purchase?

We are owed disclosure for a 150 million dollar purchase no matter how much of a slam dunk it if, even if those in your area are excited about it.

Nailed it. These people would be the first in line to be shitting bricks if they suddenly adjusted the CIP to spend even a fraction of this $150M in another part of the county.

What is your evidence for this? I've never heard any complaints about improving our schools. I have heard complaints about keeping schools closed during COVID and some salaries for top administrators--but not for needed schools or renovations. Please give examples.

As for the purchase, you must have decided it is a bad purchase. Because, certainly, had it been announced it would not have succeeded because of the competition of buyers. It would likely have been turned into another data center or housing--which, ironically, would have made the need for a new school even greater. I'm pretty sure the School Board must have been aware of the negotiations. Isn't that why we have elected officers? Gee.

My evidence for is that, when there was a prior discussion about potentially taking a fresh look at the CIP and focusing on what schools really need attention now rather than just plowing through the remainder of a renovation queue created almost 20 years ago, Dixit got very upset and insisted the schools in Sully still in the queue needed to get renovated first. But when this “opportunity” came along she was more than happy to jump the queue.

I haven’t said this was a “bad” purchase, but the questions around the acquisition deserve answers.

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Anonymous wrote:The same nextdoor posters complaining (over and over again, and again and again!) about the boundary changes a few months ago, seem to be same ones up in arms about “transparency issues” with the purchase of KAA. They also appear to live in a “North Herndon” neighborhood, currently zoned for Langley. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.

I hope the purchase of KAA goes smoothly, and FCPS can successfully revamp it in time to serve the families in that area. Westfield is so far from Mcnair and Coates. How can Westfield build a thriving community when their students live so far away?

I don't live anywhere near "North Herndon," yet I also have questions about the transparency and funding of this school - even while I think it's a great purchase and will relieve the crowding issues many have spoken of. As FCPS residents, are we allowed to have questions about the process, or are we just supposed to shut up and keep our mouths closed?

One thing is for certain - if this school had been purchased in any other area (such as an area where it wouldn't benefit you), you'd be questioning the process too.

i agree. i work in a school and my kids atttend a different school. several jobs in both schools were cut due to funding. others were notified their pay is going down to make budget. how are we buying and funding a new school when there isn’t money for the current schools?

There is a difference between capital budgets and operating budgets. They are completely separate funds.

Haha. Like clockwork, the entitled pretend that money isn’t fungible.

Just admit that you feel you deserve the neighborhood school even if it means teacher job cuts and lower raises.

It’s better for you to just be honest about how you feel.

The area needs the school. That has been true for 20 years, and given the distance between all the current schools, current overcrowding, and new housing development, it will likely be true for decades in the future. And this was an opportunity that wasn’t likely to come around again anytime soon. The budget is tight now, no question, but I don’t foresee that being the case for long. Buying the school in my mind therefore admittedly creates short-term problems that will be painful (and as someone who works at a school, I really feel for the teachers and everyone else affected), but it also solves a long-term problem that has been painful and would continue to be painful for a long time and can only really be solved in this one way. I think it’s worth the trade off.

I also think the points above are why it’s unlikely this is going to be a magnet school. I think given the budget shortfall, people would be rightly furious if FCPS throws money at a magnet school that isn’t necessary and no one was asking for. Whereas putting money into a neighborhood school is painful when we don’t have a lot of it right now, but it’s understandable and solves a lot of the problems that FCPS has flagged as needing to be addressed.

I noticed you say nothing about the hundreds of seats sitting empty at Herndon. People have a high tolerance for waste when they stand to benefit, but once you get your new school will you be demanding they pinch pennies elsewhere?

Could you game out for me how Herndon is a long-term solution for all of the mess that is Western Fairfax? I could see it being a short-term, partial fix, but how would it fix things like split feeders or ensure that boundaries aren’t continually shifted every few years?

DP. The PP is just the same poster who is *dying* for a certain community to move into Herndon because she hates that particular community. It actually has nothing at all to do with the KAA school and the communities that will be going there.

So we spend tens of millions to expand HHS and then leave hundreds of seats empty there indefinitely?

Maybe those extra seats could be used for an academy or magnet program of some sort?

What kind? Isn’t this the sort of thing we ought to expect FCPS to figure out before it commits to big expansions or purchases?

You mean like their boundary study? The purchase is good. The rollout could certainly have been better. Nevertheless, you want process on the one hand, they plan to use process on figuring this out. They have said that in the articles.

DP. If we had extra funds burning a hole in our pocket, maybe we could act with reckless abandon. But this whole thing feels like it was orchestrated while the sb was drunk at a New Orleans strip club.

Come to think of it, maybe they are buying it with McDaniel’s company credit card?

I'd hardly call it "reckless abandon." It was a bargain and an opportunity that could not have been predicted. And, there is construction going on in that area that would indicate that there was competition for the site. It would be a travesty to pass this up. The excuse for not doing this earlier is that they could not find a site.

In fact you could say, this is just taking its rightful place in the queue.

DP. You could say that, but it would be a stretch, unless you're prepared to say that any project that jumps the queue is just taking its rightful place.

It's a matter of need. It's been planned longer than many things in the queue. They just couldn't find a site. Now, they found one at a bargain price. Would you really think they should have ignored it?

If you needed a bigger house and one came up that was a real, honest bargain, but would not be available for long, would you not take the money you budgeted for something that could wait? Considering that you really need that house now?

DP. To extend your analogy, would I buy a multimillion dollar house when I was barely scraping by and half a million dollars in debt by using someone else’s money and not telling them what the house will be used for or even giving them a choice in the matter?

No I probably would not. Even if it was a good deal, but at the very least, they owe us an explanation of why it’s needed. They should be able to convince us, but the silence makes me think it is not well thought out. And I’m not convinced that we really need this house now as you assert.

And, you would leave your kids scattered among other family members instead? Got it.

To extend the analogy again, I’d ask my husband whether we really need a bigger house given our situation because a 2,000 square foot house for 6 people, while tight, is by no means an emergency.

It would result in several conversations with key stakeholders where we could weigh the pros and cons of wherever the benefits outweigh the costs.

That’s what is missing here. Conversation, disclosure, and good stewardship.

No. Your house is 1600 and you are pregnant.

Okay, but still not a dire enough emergency that we just need to buy it no questions asked with taxpayer funds.

I think that’s the disconnect here. There are people stating that the schools out west are teeming clown-car style, but then you look at the CIP and that doesn’t jive with the numbers. That btw, is why an explanation from FCPS would be incredibly worthwhile at this point. Explain to us why this is needed and how it betters our school system given that it is a large amount of money and there are trade-offs involved.

As those Nextdoor posts (not me) state, we are owed an explanation.

For twenty years we have been told there is no property--but you want them to skip this bargain? The SB does not do many things right, but this one is. Go listen to the SB meeting when they voted. There were lots of reasons given. You just don't want this.

I listened live. They spent half an hour discussing baseball field lights before this vote and two minutes patting themselves on the back for the bargain purchase, nothing more, and you really hurt your credibility by claiming otherwise.

Again, because you gloss over it every time you post: because this involves trade-offs, they owe us an explanation as to why this is needed. We get you’re happy about it, but why is it needed and what is deferred or cancelled because of the purchase?

We are owed disclosure for a 150 million dollar purchase no matter how much of a slam dunk it if, even if those in your area are excited about it.

Nailed it. These people would be the first in line to be shitting bricks if they suddenly adjusted the CIP to spend even a fraction of this $150M in another part of the county.

What is your evidence for this? I've never heard any complaints about improving our schools. I have heard complaints about keeping schools closed during COVID and some salaries for top administrators--but not for needed schools or renovations. Please give examples.

As for the purchase, you must have decided it is a bad purchase. Because, certainly, had it been announced it would not have succeeded because of the competition of buyers. It would likely have been turned into another data center or housing--which, ironically, would have made the need for a new school even greater. I'm pretty sure the School Board must have been aware of the negotiations. Isn't that why we have elected officers? Gee.

My evidence for is that, when there was a prior discussion about potentially taking a fresh look at the CIP and focusing on what schools really need attention now rather than just plowing through the remainder of a renovation queue created almost 20 years ago, Dixit got very upset and insisted the schools in Sully still in the queue needed to get renovated first. But when this “opportunity” came along she was more than happy to jump the queue.

I haven’t said this was a “bad” purchase, but the questions around the acquisition deserve answers.

When did she say that? I must have missed it. But, certainly, expanding Centreville would have been key at the time because of the overcrowding in Sully district.

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Is this what you mean?

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/01/23/fcps-unveils-tentative-capital-projects-plan-with-new-renovation-queue-in-development/

"Seema Dixit, the board’s new Sully District member, said she was especially concerned about overcrowding issues on the western side of the county.

“That’s where we have to put our brains together and find some creative ways,” Dixit said, noting that land acquisition for some schools is coming far too late."

Please note: this was in January of 2024.
Transparent need if you were paying attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this what you mean?

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/01/23/fcps-unveils-tentative-capital-projects-plan-with-new-renovation-queue-in-development/

"Seema Dixit, the board’s new Sully District member, said she was especially concerned about overcrowding issues on the western side of the county.

“That’s where we have to put our brains together and find some creative ways,” Dixit said, noting that land acquisition for some schools is coming far too late."

Please note: this was in January of 2024.
Transparent need if you were paying attention.

It was during the work session on the last CIP earlier this year.

Like I said, you/she wants endless resources for your part of the county. If $150M got accelerated to spend anywhere else you’d have a fit.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this what you mean?

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/01/23/fcps-unveils-tentative-capital-projects-plan-with-new-renovation-queue-in-development/

"Seema Dixit, the board’s new Sully District member, said she was especially concerned about overcrowding issues on the western side of the county.

“That’s where we have to put our brains together and find some creative ways,” Dixit said, noting that land acquisition for some schools is coming far too late."

Please note: this was in January of 2024.
Transparent need if you were paying attention.

It was during the work session on the last CIP earlier this year.

Like I said, you/she wants endless resources for your part of the county. If $150M got accelerated to spend anywhere else you’d have a fit.

And, if you were having your neighborhood split in multiple directions and sent miles and miles to a school to spend hours on a school bus daily, you might think it was money well spent.